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    Obamacare: Hispanics benefited more than any other group

    High stakes for Hispanics in healthcare fight

    03/13/17 06:00 AM EDT



    As the debate over the fate of ObamaCare rages on Capitol Hill, few groups have more at stake than the nation’s Hispanics.

    Hispanics benefited more than any other group from the Affordable Care Act (ACA), partly because they occupy many of the informal and transient jobs that didn't previously offer health coverage but were required to do so under President Obama's signature healthcare law.

    As the Republican-led Congress and the Trump administration discuss a replacement for the ACA, many Hispanic leaders are worried their communities could be forced out of coverage and back into emergency rooms for primary care.

    “As goes the Affordable Care Act, so goes the healthcare for Hispanics, disproportionately,” said Rep. Tony Cárdenas (D-Calif.), the head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus’s campaign arm.

    The financial security provided by health insurance is not the only issue worrying Latino leaders as President Trump and the Republicans press ahead with their plan to dismantle ObamaCare. The ACA has also pumped billions of dollars into the health sector of local communities.

    “Do they have any idea how many folks are in the workforce who are trying to figure out if they can stay in these jobs?” asked Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D-N.M.), head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.

    “It brought literally billions of dollars to the economy, the Affordable Care Act and the growth in the healthcare sector. It is the only industry growing in our state. There’s nothing else.”
    The Commonwealth Fund, a nonpartisan research foundation, estimates New Mexico would lose 19,000 jobs over a year and $10.1 billion in gross state product over five years if the ACA were repealed.

    Rep. Raul Ruiz (D-Calif.), a physician and CHC member, said a particular threat from the GOP’s repeal plan is the provision eliminating ObamaCare’s Medicaid expansion. If the Republicans pass their bill — and millions of people are left without coverage, as some outside groups are predicting — that would mean more hospitals would be forced to absorb the costs of uncompensated care. Some are warning they would close down altogether.

    “They’re going to have to make some tough decisions to lay off individuals,” Ruiz said. “If all of that hospital sees is a dramatic rise in uninsured patients, then they’re going to take the biggest brunt of it, which means that then they will have to shut their doors and go out of business. There are some hospitals, even in my district, that are very concerned about not being able to sustain the care for uncompensated uninsured patients that go to their emergency departments because they’re the only hospital in town.”

    A New York Times investigation last year found that, although Hispanics remain the least covered demographic group in the country, enrollment rates under ObamaCare grew by 7.2 percent.

    And liberal Hispanic leaders are reluctant to change a system that they say has worked for their community.

    "This irresponsible bill will cause millions of Americans to lose their healthcare coverage, including millions of Latinos. Let's remember that Latino uninsured rates dropped dramatically thanks to the Affordable Care Act and now Republicans want to take that progress away," said Cristobal Alex, president of the Latino Victory Fund.

    Closures of medical facilities would send ripple effects through local communities, particularly rural areas, which would face higher hurdles in attracting companies to their regions.

    “This is very detrimental to employment and job opportunity and economic growth. Because if you don't have access to care, who's going to go open a factory in your area?” House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday.

    In a state like New Mexico, those fears are especially pronounced.

    "What about our labs? Is anyone going to come and take these jobs, the scientists, if our healthcare system is [plagued by] instability?” Lujan Grisham asked.

    But Republicans say opponents of the proposed ACA replacement, the American Health Care Act (AHCA), are attacking it unfairly.

    "There's still too many unforeseen potholes out there where people are selling things that are not true, up to and including, here's a good one: We shouldn't give money to people.

    People aren't going to get the money, it will be a refundable tax credit, it does not come to them," said Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), chairman of the House Committee on Rules.

    Sessions said small businesses — a key factor in the Latino economy — would derive "enormous" benefits from the tax credit system proposed under the AHCA.

    And with Latinos starting more businesses than any other demographic group, business-oriented policies could prove attractive to them.

    According to a study by the Stanford Latino Entrepreneurship Initiative, "the five-year average growth rate in the number of Latino firms has remained at double or triple that of the national average for the past fifteen years."

    "The number of Latino-owned businesses grew over 15 percent over the last decade, leaps and bounds over every other American demographic," Vice President Pence told The Latino Coalition, a gathering of Hispanic business owners this week.

    Pence said the AHCA would help spur their business growth.

    "ObamaCare has placed a crushing burden on job creators," Pence said.

    And some Republicans who aren't fully sold on the AHCA say it is at least an alternative the Hispanic community can live with.

    "I worry if we don't pass this one, the next one will be much worse, more conservative," Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) said.

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    According to a study by the Stanford Latino Entrepreneurship Initiative, "the five-year average growth rate in the number of Latino firms has remained at double or triple that of the national average for the past fifteen years."

    "The number of Latino-owned businesses grew over 15 percent over the last decade, leaps and bounds over every other American demographic," Vice President Pence told The Latino Coalition, a gathering of Hispanic business owners this week.
    The open borders groups & chamber of commerce have been having their way for the past 10-15yrs disregarding Americans, even their safety. These businesses are profiting from illegals.

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    I am sure it did cause the healthcare industry to grow.

    You know if the government suddenly decided to take more tax dollars and give everyone an automobile - it would be a shot in the arm for the auto industry.

    How many tax dollars went into these businesses by hispanics?

    How much drug money is being laundered through all these hispanic businesses?

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    Unfortunately, what we don't know is what part of the "Hispanic community" are citizens or legal immigrants, and what part is illegal and on its way out the door. States need to focus on creating real manufacturing jobs that are funded by real consumers, not subsidized by the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nntrixie View Post
    I am sure it did cause the healthcare industry to grow.

    You know if the government suddenly decided to take more tax dollars and give everyone an automobile - it would be a shot in the arm for the auto industry.

    How many tax dollars went into these businesses by hispanics?

    How much drug money is being laundered through all these hispanic businesses?
    It would be money far better spent as well. Let me be sure about that. Lets see .... new car versus Obamacare. Hmmmm. Yep new car means new jobs at higher wages, less stress, less worry, less problems, more money to see a doctor, more benefits including employer provided health insurance, more savings for rainy days and HSA's, don't need food stamps, free school lunch, subsidized housing, WIC, TANF, AFDC, Medicaid or .... Obamacare.

    But only IF the new cars are made in the United States does that work out for our people.

    Hopefully, this mess will all get straightened out by our dear hard-working President Donald J Trump. When he brings our jobs back, secures our borders and deports illegal aliens, fixes our bad trade deals and all the rest he is doing, we won't even be having these conversations about Obamacare, because no one will want or need it. In 3 years, people will be asking themselves "what was that Obamacare thing anyway"? And we'll be answering, "one of the many messes President Trump got rid of."
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    Hispanics in the Triangle Area of NC are running large residential construction businesses with multiple employees . Now that many of the U.S. born children of illegals have come of age, they are legally able to have the family (illegal ) business under their name , such as Jose and Sons, etc etc. Of course, they employ other illegals and anchor babies and give out 1099 forms, hence these employees really pay no taxes. Needless to say, it's difficult for Americans to compete with these businesses.

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    Everything is happening as planned - in the 70's the population projection was the USA will be a majority hispanic population by 2050- what, how - well we see now how. Sneaker in, have anchor babies, acquire jobs because E-verify is almost non existent except for some federal jobs, start businesses that overpower American businesses like construction, landscaping etc, have an enormous need for mexican food products, make Americans pay for their children from birthing thru all healthcare needs & schooling; some 30% of our school children at this point are anchor babies and will only continue to grow. Now you see bills introduced that want to amnesty every illegal under 35 by just claiming they were brought by a parent or entered as a child - no way to prove either in many cases. And majority of the sneakers were young and with 10 siblings per family, mexico got rid of their overpopulation burdens and benefits from billions$$$$ in remittances. And our chamber of commerce and stock buyers see more and more consumers regardless of the degradations to American citizens and our environment from the demands of overpopulation - the cesspool of central america is our future.

    You can build all the walls you want but unless illegals and their anchor babies are deported or enable self-deportation thru mandated e verify for every job, require anchor babies to have one legal parent or no benefits, they will claim citizenship and bring their entire families anyway. I would prefer to see high tech with manpower at our border immediately - every inch of it rather than a wall & enable mass self-deportation protocols.
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    So what, I don't care if illegal aliens and Hispanics have there healthcare dropped.

    I paid your healthcare for 3 years at the expense of sacrificing my own healthcare needs and if you can't pay your own way, that's your problem and no longer mine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    It would be money far better spent as well. Let me be sure about that. Lets see .... new car versus Obamacare. Hmmmm. Yep new car means new jobs at higher wages, less stress, less worry, less problems, more money to see a doctor, more benefits including employer provided health insurance, more savings for rainy days and HSA's, don't need food stamps, free school lunch, subsidized housing, WIC, TANF, AFDC, Medicaid or .... Obamacare.

    But only IF the new cars are made in the United States does that work out for our people.

    Hopefully, this mess will all get straightened out by our dear hard-working President Donald J Trump. When he brings our jobs back, secures our borders and deports illegal aliens, fixes our bad trade deals and all the rest he is doing, we won't even be having these conversations about Obamacare, because no one will want or need it. In 3 years, people will be asking themselves "what was that Obamacare thing anyway"? And we'll be answering, "one of the many messes President Trump got rid of."
    Well, it would, of course.

    The fact is, I don't believe the Constitution allows for making taxpayers pay for others healthcare, and I don't believe it allows for making citizens purchase products of private enterprise.

    Therefore, both would be unconstitutional, in my estimation - but both would result in profits for the industry the government favors at the moment.

    Do you remember the oft-repeated mantra when promoting Obamacare?

    You know the fact there were x number of Americans with no health insurance, did not/does not mean there are that many Americans that were not getting needed healthcare. Of course, the idea they were trying to put in people's minds was these poor people were just sitting around ill with no help from anywhere.

    That bit of doublespeak seems to have worked pretty well.

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