Thread: Obama's message to Criminal aliens in the U.S.

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Originally Posted by WhatMattersMost

Originally Posted by Beckyal

What do Americans except from democrats? they want all the new voters and denotations from Mexico. The best government that can be purchased is not far from the truth.

It's not a democratic thing its politics as usual on both sides of the fence. The partyline stance is how we ended up with George Bush . . . .need I say more?

Actually, bush got in presicely because JFnKerry ran.
His literal "traitorous" activities- giving aid and comfort to the enemy- was not forgotten by most Americans. He should have been given a military tribunal and convicted as the evidence was, by his own mouth, given to Congress under oath.

He escaped his just rewards merely due to Nixon's fear.

Perhaps he would have been easier to handle than bush but he sealed his fate when he met with madame binh {I believe the name is correct} of the NVN Communist government in paris, attempting to broker a deal against American Rule of Law.
{everything - this and more- is documented}

Say what you will but I firmly believe he got in because republican voters hated Clinton, and were power hunger after being out of play for so long. Add to the pot that Bush played the religious right like a game of poker and everybody else voted for him without doing their homework simply because he was a republican. I'm still scratching my head 6 years later.

"U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was one of several politicians who spoke to the group before the march began."To those who think we can simply seal off the borders and deport people and who appeal to our worst instincts, I say -- There is nothing to fear. People who come here come for the same reasons that generations of people have come here for, because they want a better future for their children," he said."

That's BS, we can easily close / seal off the border. Try to cross the borders between the Koreas, it's almost impossible.

Originally Posted by cassie

"U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was one of several politicians who spoke to the group before the march began."To those who think we can simply seal off the borders and deport people and who appeal to our worst instincts, I say -- There is nothing to fear. People who come here come for the same reasons that generations of people have come here for, because they want a better future for their children," he said."

That's BS, we can easily close / seal off the border. Try to cross the borders between the Koreas, it's almost impossible.

So Obama isn't the Golden Child?

Originally Posted by WhatMattersMost

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Originally Posted by WhatMattersMost

Originally Posted by Beckyal

What do Americans except from democrats? they want all the new voters and denotations from Mexico. The best government that can be purchased is not far from the truth.

It's not a democratic thing its politics as usual on both sides of the fence. The partyline stance is how we ended up with George Bush . . . .need I say more?

Actually, bush got in presicely because JFnKerry ran.
His literal "traitorous" activities- giving aid and comfort to the enemy- was not forgotten by most Americans. He should have been given a military tribunal and convicted as the evidence was, by his own mouth, given to Congress under oath.

He escaped his just rewards merely due to Nixon's fear.

Perhaps he would have been easier to handle than bush but he sealed his fate when he met with madame binh {I believe the name is correct} of the NVN Communist government in paris, attempting to broker a deal against American Rule of Law.
{everything - this and more- is documented}

Say what you will but I firmly believe he got in because republican voters hated Clinton, and were power hunger after being out of play for so long. Add to the pot that Bush played the religious right like a game of poker and everybody else voted for him without doing their homework simply because he was a republican. I'm still scratching my head 6 years later.

I know it seems like that, WHAT, but the fact is that a very large segment of the voter population, with the Vets first in line, rose up against kerry for the above stated reason.

Dems, repubs & independents voted AGAINST kerry - not for bush.
It was a tital wave of resentment bubbling under the surface for 30 years.

Similar just happened in the Nov. elections. A vast majority voted against bush and took it out on the repub incumbants or simply did not vote.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by cassie

"U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was one of several politicians who spoke to the group before the march began."To those who think we can simply seal off the borders and deport people and who appeal to our worst instincts, I say -- There is nothing to fear. People who come here come for the same reasons that generations of people have come here for, because they want a better future for their children," he said."

That's BS, we can easily close / seal off the border. Try to cross the borders between the Koreas, it's almost impossible.

So Obama isn't the Golden Child?

al gore will get my vote, I've told you that.
Obama is still cute and prettier than McCain, Tancredo, Giuliani, etc

Originally Posted by cassie

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by cassie

"U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was one of several politicians who spoke to the group before the march began."To those who think we can simply seal off the borders and deport people and who appeal to our worst instincts, I say -- There is nothing to fear. People who come here come for the same reasons that generations of people have come here for, because they want a better future for their children," he said."

That's BS, we can easily close / seal off the border. Try to cross the borders between the Koreas, it's almost impossible.

So Obama isn't the Golden Child?

al gore will get my vote, I've told you that.
Obama is still cute and prettier than McCain, Tancredo, Giuliani, etc

Ah, so there is a "cuteness" quotient factored into your electoral decisions? Nauseating. You make a strong case against Amendment XIX.

because they want a better future for their children

by killing our children, I suppose.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by cassie

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by cassie

"U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was one of several politicians who spoke to the group before the march began."To those who think we can simply seal off the borders and deport people and who appeal to our worst instincts, I say -- There is nothing to fear. People who come here come for the same reasons that generations of people have come here for, because they want a better future for their children," he said."

That's BS, we can easily close / seal off the border. Try to cross the borders between the Koreas, it's almost impossible.

So Obama isn't the Golden Child?

al gore will get my vote, I've told you that.
Obama is still cute and prettier than McCain, Tancredo, Giuliani, etc

Ah, so there is a "cuteness" quotient factored into your electoral decisions? Nauseating. You make a strong case against Amendment XIX.

Charisma is a reason that can be important if people are going to vote for a person or not. Al Gore gets my vote

The three best methods for determining where a politician is on the H-1b
issue is:

1) Review his/her voting record

2) Find out where the money is coming from.

3) Read what they have written or said on the subject. Of course this
process requires a lot of reading between the lines to pick out the spin.


Barack Obama fails on all three accounts. Let's take a look at what we know
about Obama so far.

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VOTING RECORD

-----------------------------

Obama hasn't been a Senator very long, but his stance on H-1B and other
immigration issues has not been encouraging. Obama's voting record isn't
much different than those of Kennedy, McCain, and Hillary Clinton. Obama
gets a few good grades but probably only because he hasn't got a long
enough record on some issues to fail.

The best source for voting records is:
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/

Barack Obama's grades are as follows:

CHAIN MIGRATION F-
FOREIGN WORKERS (H-1B etc.) F-
AMNESTIES F-
BORDER CONTROL C+
INTERIOR ENFORCEMENT A+

This letter from Obama to a concerned voter is the standard template used
by all politicians who support H-1B. In it, Obama says that the caps on
H-1B need to be increased, and then there are some boiler plate statements
about enforcement. Yawn!

Politicians of Obama's ilk use the same templates that have been passed
down from generations of H-1B advocates.

Subject: Message from Senator Barack Obama


Dear H***********:

Thank you for writing me with your concerns. I agree that the H-1B visa
program should be continually monitored, but I do believe that the limited
increase in visas for highly skilled immigrants will benefit the economy.

I understand and have heard your concerns about the H1-B visa program and
its potential effects on the jobs and wages of American workers. The intent
is that H1-B visas only be issued if qualified American workers are unable
to take the jobs in question. Also, H1-B visa holders should be paid a fair
market wage for their work, not less than what an American worker would
make for performing the same work. The intent of the program is not to
undercut existing wage structures by importing foreign workers.

The demand for these workers is clear. When the H-1B annual numerical
limits reverted to 65,000 from 195,000 the Fiscal Year 2004 limit was
reached in mid-February 2004, and the Fiscal Year 2005 limit was reached on
October 1, 2004, the first day of the fiscal year.

I believe that within limits, skilled immigrants play a valuable role in
our economy. I understand that we need to create more jobs for American
workers. And, using the technology sector as an example, the economic
production of companies assisted by workers on H1-B visas in 1998 created
more than $16.8 billion in sales and over 58,000 jobs. The great majority
of these news jobs are going to American workers. Immigrants are not the
cause of the squeeze on middle class families. Tax, workforce, and
infrastructure policies that favor the wealthy at the expense of greater
deficits hurt working class Americans. Failing to address the health care
crisis in America while favoring pharmaceutical companies hurts working
Americans. Scapegoating immigrants will not help us rise to meet these
challenges.

But I fully agree that H1-B hires should be a last recourse as a matter of
labor policy. I support the efforts of the Departments of Labor and
Homeland Security to ensure that employers and H1-B applicants follow the
intent and restrictions of the program. It is incumbent upon the Department
of Labor to monitor the wages being paid to H1-B visa holders and enforce
the H1-B program's provision that wages reflect the current job market.

As this debate continues, I believe it is important for Congress to assess
how the H1-B visa affects job opportunities for Americans and wages in the
relevant sectors. I look forward to working with the Departments of Labor
and Homeland Security and my colleagues in Congress to determine where
there may be gaps in the enforcement of the program as it stands. I would
also like to explore increasing the burden on employers to prove that all
attempts had been made to hire qualified American workers. I then will take
the appropriate steps to protect the interests of American workers.

Again, thank you for writing me about the H1-B visa program. Please stay in
touch on any issue of concern to you.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama
United States Senator

Gore........charisma

Huh?

Oh boy
He's so disgusting to look at
and to listen to? CUT MY EARS OFF PLEASE.
What a dufus