Thread: PIPELINE HALTED: Feds block proposed route of Dakota Access pipeline after protests

Don't play me for a fool, Judy. I understand the use of eminent domain for public use. What I don't understand is the taking of land for corporate profit.

Apparently you don't. All of your energy utilities are provided by the corporations who drill for oil and gas and distribute it for sales to businesses who provide your retail seller your electricity, natural gas, gasoline, oil and so forth. They all make corporate profits, and they all have the right of eminent domain to get these products to refineries, processors and retail market sellers who are the entities you buy it from.

Originally Posted by Judy

Apparently you don't. All of your energy utilities are provided by the corporations who drill for oil and gas and distribute it for sales to businesses who provide your retail seller your electricity, natural gas, gasoline, oil and so forth. They all make corporate profits, and they all have the right of eminent domain to get these products to refineries, processors and retail market sellers who are the entities you buy it from.

Instead of patronizing me, just read the post I provided. We only have one planet to live on. Folks that defend and make excuses for its destruction without a motivator like greed are confusing to me. I understand the greed that drives profiteers, but I don't understand how someone can support the actions of those profiteers when their greed is satisfied through the misery of others and the destruction of our fragile environment.

While these companies reap their benefits, communities across the country suffer the impacts of climate change, oil spills and water contamination from fracking, drilling and mining.

Many of these companies contribute millions of dollars in campaign finance to representatives and senators in the U.S. Congress, as well as to delegates and senators in State houses in key fossil fuel states around the country. This ensures that U.S. politicians represent the fossil fuel industry’s interests above those of the people that elected them. Fossil fuel industrylobbying expenditure andcontributionsto the U.S. Congress amounted to over $326 million in the 113th Congress (2013-14).

I support oil and gas production, the same as I support solar energy, bio-mass, bio-fuels, nuclear, clean coal and other types of energy production. I support them all. I think fracking was so rushed it still has some issues to work out, but that's the responsibility of the states that have fracking operations and I'm sure those bugs and issues will be resolved.

The greatest threat to the United States right now is not the environment or climate change, it's bankruptcy. We fix the economic issues, and then with great wealth, prosperity and money in our pockets to pay for whatever, we can have a pow-wow on how to deal with other issues. We have plenty of regulations and government authority in effect to make sure the economic resurgence of the United States is done in a proper, reasonable and safe manner.

On-land oil like what flows through the Keystone and will flow through the Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipeline protect our oceans by reducing the amount of oil being transported by ship on our seas and oceans. There are enormous benefits from these pipelines that actually include protecting the environment from ocean oil spills. Everything we do here has some plus or minus.

Solar energy increases radiation in the environment. The manufacture of the panels and battery storage has all types of toxic chemicals involved and then what do you with the panels when they wear out? Off to the landfill requiring more landfill storage.

Everything we do as humans has issues. That's why the greatest single threat to the environment is human over-population. So until environmentalists start addressing the number one issue of "threat to the environment", I'm a little bored frankly with the hysterical mania over a couple of oil pipelines that help our economy and put people to work.

Just my opinion.

Yes, some of the reservations, at least the ones I have been on in AZ, are pretty depressing. Of course, I would greatly prefer living there to living in an inner city.

It seems there should be some ways for them to make a living and remain on the reservation. While I like water and trees, it is a truly beautiful land and I could see how they would love it.
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Many Indian tribes have pretty much the same problems we do - their leaders are not necessarily interested in doing what is best for their people. Being a tribal chief can be a very lucrative job. That's nothing new, they have been doing it for many years - since some of the 'resettlements' from the Southeastern part of the country.

On some reservations, gambling has brought good things to all the tribe, for some, it's only for some. Twas ever thus -----------

Then there is one reservation, that has access to water and they are heavy into farming. There is a big difference.

I can see we can't stop all fossil fuel, and I don't know how it could be made cleaner. I'm just sure it could -

My problem is, why are we continuing to drill, transport, etc., while we are exporting it? Why did we build a pipeline to transport Canadian oil?
Using it for the Dakota oil makes sense, though.

We are awash with oil in this country, and the entire world - read up on the Permian Basin field that has been considered almost dead. Does that mean we have to get it all out of the ground - NOW.

Then we could talk about refining this oil - the petrochemical plants on the Texas coast are frightening to me.

Then we can talk about the coal industry.

Well, use the pipeline too. We'll use it in Texas with that line that's already under construction to connect into it and we'll use it in Nebraska when the XL line is constructed that connects into it, and I guess as time goes along and other oil producers want to use it, they can cut a deal and do so. You know we have pipelines from Alaska that go through Canada to here, so it's the same thing. I imagine there will be another Alaska pipeline coming into the US one day through Canada. These aren't government projects, they're private industry funded projects so if they see a need in the market, it should be filled. Someone somewhere needs it or they wouldn't be spending billions of their own money to get it out.

And then there's the Chem Trails in the sky. How no one has reported on that in the media is totally beyond me. They are everywhere and getting worse. I think that's the source of increased asthma.

Originally Posted by Judy

And then there's the Chem Trails in the sky. How no one has reported on that in the media is totally beyond me. They are everywhere and getting worse. I think that's the source of increased asthma.

Oh, it's just ice crystals, don't you know?

Who knows what that is and it is certainly something that is deliberate.
People have asked, but there again, if you don't have the microphone, or the money, and our wonderful news media won't cover it - it's as if it never happened.

The same with illegal immigration for about 30 years.

We are not in the flight path of any airline, - and yet sometimes they are criss crossed.

I have noticed they stopped about a month before the election and I haven't seen any here since.

Yes, asthma and many other things - it might answer the question why it seems so many people in this country seem truly delusional.

Exactly. There is something very harmful and dangerous with what they're doing. A lot of people are trying to figure it out but without authority to investigate, citizens can't really find out what's in them. And they do it at night when no one can see them. It's something so bad they can't dispose of it through regular channels.