Thread: Poe quits Freedom Caucus in aftermath of failed ObamaCare overhaul

Originally Posted by Judy

Jim Jordan from the Freedom Caucus was on Fox News Sunday trying to explain the Freedom Caucus position and he says the only thing his team is going to vote for is a plan that reduces premium costs by excluding pre-existing conditions and essential health benefits from the policies.

BWAAAAHAAAAA!!!

Oh Lord, I thought they wanted to repeal the mandates and tax penalties and restore liberty to the American People. But no, that isn't what they wanted to do, thye wanted to repeal the prohibitions on insurance companies excluding people with pre-existing conditions, keeping children on policies until they're 26, and the required 10 essential health benefits of an insurance policy to "reduce the premiums". Trump of course wouldn't agree to removing the pre-existing conditions or keeping children on policies until they're 26, but he did agree that last night to remove the essential health benefits of insurance policies.

Jordan also said they only wanted to repeal Obamacare, and not have a replacement at the same time.

Priebus said on Face the Nation today that Trump is moving on and Americans will have Obamacare for the foreseeable future.

I have absolutely no problem with repealing Obamacare without a replacement at the same time. Overall, we were better off before Obamacare came into existence. Furthermore, I also have no problem with wiping out the Obama mandate on pre-existing conditions or keeping 26 year old adults on their parents health plan. I'm sorry that you've been made to feel more comfortable with those Obama mandates, but they have been a huge financial drain on most Americans.

Originally Posted by Judy

No they weren't. Lou Barletta is the one who brought this to the forefront. And he did so directly with Trump and Trump said he would support the bill that disallows any tax credits being paid to illegal aliens. No tax credits of any kind should be paid to illegal aliens.

I heard someone from the Freedom Caucus speaking about it before Barletta voiced his concerns. However, Rep. Barletta does get credit for going public with his concerns on the issue and attempting to do something about it. Of course "attempting" to pass a bill and actually passing it are very different things.

Well, of course you don't. You have insurance. Presumably employer provided so Obamacare doesn't have anything to do with you to begin with. Before Obamacare, there was a law that protected employees from exclusion due to pre-existing conditions on employer policies, so you've never been in that situation. Most Americans haven't. I haven't. But I can certainly understand the problem for those in the individual market who have been and are today. I can't see any fairness in a set of laws that protects one group of insured like those with employer paid insurance and abandons those out there on their own needing individual policies. That's not "conservative", that sure as hell isn't Republican, hell, that isn't even American. That's just self-centered wrong.

How about we repeal that government law that protects employees for pre-existing conditions?

Originally Posted by MW

I heard someone from the Freedom Caucus speaking about it before Barletta voiced his concerns. However, Rep. Barletta does get credit for going public with his concerns on the issue and attempting to do something about it. Of course "attempting" to pass a bill and actually passing it are very different things.

LOL!!! Yep, that's a lesson I would think the Freedom Caucus will learn very soon.

Originally Posted by Judy

Well, of course you don't. You have insurance. Presumably employer provided so Obamacare doesn't have anything to do with you to begin with. Before Obamacare, there was a law that protected employees from exclusion due to pre-existing conditions on employer policies, so you've never been in that situation. Most Americans haven't. I haven't. But I can certainly understand the problem for those in the individual market who have been and are today. I can't see any fairness in a set of laws that protects one group of insured like those with employer paid insurance and abandons those out there on their own needing individual policies. That's not "conservative", that sure as hell isn't Republican, hell, that isn't even American. That's just self-centered wrong.

How about we repeal that government law that protects employees for pre-existing conditions?

You have the right to your opinions and I have the right to mine.

Oh, no answer to my question? I am shocked!!

Originally Posted by Judy

Oh, no answer to my question? I am shocked!!

I didn't think a response was necessary because your question isn't relative to the discussion. By your own admission it wasn't part of Obamacare.

There were a number of items in the GOP/Trump plan that have nothing to do with Obamacare. Negotiating drug prices for Medicare and Medicaid, expanding HSA's, allowing equal tax treatment of insurance expenses, whether an employer or self-employed, repealing McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945, for example.

But that's okay. I don't expect anyone protected against pre-existing exclusion to want to give it up, but I would have expected you or anyone else to understand why if you're protected by federal law on pre-existing conditions, that everyone should be.

Originally Posted by Judy

There were a number of items in the GOP/Trump plan that have nothing to do with Obamacare. Negotiating drug prices for Medicare and Medicaid, expanding HSA's, allowing equal tax treatment of insurance expenses, whether an employer or self-employed, repealing McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945, for example.

But that's okay. I don't expect anyone protected against pre-existing exclusion to want to give it up, but I would have expected you or anyone else to understand why if you're protected by federal law on pre-existing conditions, that everyone should be.

You must really think me uninformed. No, all of those items were not part of the so-called phase 1 plan. That is what the congress was hoping to vote for last week. Phase 2 & 3 were future promises. You know, like the enforcement plan that never happened under former President Reagan's amnesty plan. One things for sure, you certainly have a lot more faith in our congress critters than I do. I'm for the here and now and refuse to hang my hat on future promises.

As for the pre-existing condition thing. I've told you this before, but since your memory has temporarily lapsed on that account, I'll repeat myself. Many of those suffering pre-existing conditions do so because of bad life choices, i.e., smoking, alcoholism, drug abuse, overeating, risky sexual practices, etc., etc. Why should you be on the hook for the health care of someone who developed lung cancer through smoking or contracted AIDS from shared drug needle?

The pre-existing condition and 26 year old on parent health insurance are the two primary reasons premiums and co-pays have skyrocketed. I want Obamacare repealed, all of it. End of story.

Future promises is what your hope of repealing Obamacare just turned into.