Thread: The 'Queen of the Hill' on a DACA Deal

Originally Posted by Judy

It shouldn't matter whether he is or isn't a gang member for deportation. If he is a gang member, then that's two reasons to deport him, but the fact remains, ICE only needs one reason and that is illegal presence in the United States. There will be a lot of gang members who are citizens and can't be deported. We want to bust the MS-13 gang, so getting as many of those who can be deported out of the country is of course a top priority but most Americans want all illegal aliens removed from the country, whether they are gang members or not. My advice to ICE is not to lead the story with "gang member", which is yet another bar to be proved, that can sometimes be hard to prove, so why go there at the beginning of the story to the press?

You, I and everyone else on ALIPAC agrees that ALL illegals need to be deported ..... the sooner the better. However, as unfortunate as it is, having the necessary resources to accomplish that feat is another matter. As hard as this is for me to say, there has to be some focus. Furthermore, words are important in this war we're fighting. It's important that the general public think we're going after the worst of the bunch first. There's the murderers, rapist, kidnappers, smugglers, drug pushers, etc. that are here primarily to prey on folks and then there are those that are here to take American jobs and soak up free benefits. It's important that the right message get out and that is that our resources are being utilized to go after the worst first. That's not to say we ignore the rest, just saying we need our messaging to seem focused to grab more attention.

Unfortunately, considering the fact that illegal immigration and border security seems to be such a contentious issue, we need to ensure we're sending out the right message. If the Trump administration can convince folks that it's going after those that want to kill them and their children in their beds at night, it will be easier to get the increased resources we need. However, sending the message that we're expending our limited resources on illegals just working to feed their family is not a message that will be well received by the masses.

Increasing the resources we need is all about the messaging to the public. I think we're on the right track for now. Go after the very bad players first but do not ignore the other illegals that get caught up in the search. Convincing the country that our streets are full of cut-throat machete wielding murders, rapist and child molesters is a potent message. Right or wrong, that's how I see it.

Scare the hell out of people and you'll get their attention!

It contradicts our opposition to DACA, most of whom are not gang members and do not have criminal convictions, yet we all want them deported.

ICE can add the gang membership and other convictions and prior deportations, etc. where they exist to the story as news coverage grows on the arrest and deportation, I just wouldn't use it upfront in the lead to the story.

Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by MW

However, as unfortunate as it is, having the necessary resources to accomplish that feat is another matter.

No, we have the resources. But politics gets in the way. When a cop stops a car for some violation, the officer SHOULD be required to check legality of the driver. If they are not legal, they must be taken into custody, not released. Pretty soon, they would run out of cars and would dare not drive. That would cripple them from getting to work or having illegal businesses. That would put a dent in the illegal's attraction to be here.

Originally Posted by MW

As hard as this is for me to say, there has to be some focus.

No! If you stop picking and choosing, and take into custody, and deport, all illegal aliens we find, we will get rid of the gang members as well. But if you must prove they are a gang member or other criminal before you can deport them, you will never win!

House Freedom Caucus moving to give DACA recipients citizenship

jtdc wrote:

If you stop picking and choosing, and take into custody, and deport, all illegal aliens we find, we will get rid of the gang members as well. But if you must prove they are a gang member or other criminal before you can deport them, you will never win!

Yes, exactly. It adds a second burden of proof that isn't necessary for a deportation in the United States.

Originally Posted by jtdc

No, we have the resources. But politics gets in the way. When a cop stops a car for some violation, the officer SHOULD be required to check legality of the driver. If they are not legal, they must be taken into custody, not released. Pretty soon, they would run out of cars and would dare not drive. That would cripple them from getting to work or having illegal businesses. That would put a dent in the illegal's attraction to be here.

No! If you stop picking and choosing, and take into custody, and deport, all illegal aliens we find, we will get rid of the gang members as well. But if you must prove they are a gang member or other criminal before you can deport them, you will never win!

No, actually we don't have the necessary resources and it's politics that hold us back. If we had the resources, we would have the Trump border wall, more BP, more ICE agents, more detention capacity, etc. More directed funding = more resources. More resources = more efficiency and capability.

It's not "picking and choosing," it's focusing our limited resources where we'll get the most bang for our buck. I see you conveniently left off my comment regarding the rounding up of all those we come into contact while going after the more violent ones. No illegal that comes into contact with law enforcement should get a free pass. However, willy-nilly (random) enforcement will expend our resources haphazardly and allow many of the violent criminals to remain free for longer periods of time, which could mean more senseless deaths. However, I also believe our focusing efforts should include large scale business raids. I'm talking about raids where we can pop 50 to 200 illegals at one time.

Once our primary focused targets have dried up somewhat, we can then readjust our focus accordingly. Flailing about like a crippled octopus with too many arms just isn't smart, efficient enforcement.

Originally Posted by MW

No, actually we don't have the necessary resources and it's politics that hold us back. If we had the resources, we would have the Trump border wall, more BP, more ICE agents, more detention capacity, etc.

Granted, those would help. But it is properly using the resources we already have. City and state police detaining illegal aliens and turning them over to ICE would would take away from the secure feeling illegal aliens have when they feel they only have to fear ICE. Those resources are there right now, but are not being used. Again, granted, sanctuary cities running interference are a big part of the problem. But then again, if the feds prosecuted police, mayors, governors, and such, under existing laws, those would soon disappear. And we don't need additional resources for all of them. Libby Schaff and a couple of others off to prison, and you wouldn't need more jails, BP officers or immigration judges.

Originally Posted by MW

More directed funding = more resources. More resources = more efficiency and capability.

So you think throwing more money at the problem will make it go away?

Originally Posted by MW

It's not "picking and choosing," it's focusing our limited resources where we'll get the most bang for our buck.

Correct!

Originally Posted by MW

I see you conveniently left off my comment regarding the rounding up of all those we come into contact while going after the more violent ones. No illegal that comes into contact with law enforcement should get a free pass.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID!

Originally Posted by MW

However, I also believe our focusing efforts should include large scale business raids. I'm talking about raids where we can pop 50 to 200 illegals at one time.

Fine, if you deport them rather that giving those who don't have a criminal record or an already existing deportation order, a 180 days to report for a court hearing. If they are not here legally, they go right now!