Thread: RECALLING BUSH

I thought that with the percentage of votes going to a third party the major advantage would be name recognition...and they'd do better next elections...etc and so on....

MJ

My Vote is for the Constitution Party
http://www.constitutionparty.org/

Originally Posted by Dixie

Here is my spin.

We have a very disgruntled public, which doesn't seem comfortable with either party right now. Secondly, we have some third parties that are trying to rise up and take votes in the future. Even new ones, we know nothing about. Third, we have a subculture that is socialist and could be future third party.

In essence, we are stuck with our two party system, otherwise, we run the risk of loosing the election to socialist/pro-illegals. Also, remember how crazy it was when the Green party or Libertarians pulled votes from the Democrats and the Republicans took Office. If the 3rd Party had stayed out of it, the votes would have remained in the Democrats coffer and we would have elected Gore. I think it was the Gore/Bush race.

Right now, I feel a 3rd party will do us all a disservice. It's throwing away your vote, when you could be choosing the best thing you can. Don't get me wrong, I voted for Ross Perot, just to make a point but I knew the country was sound and far from the terrible state it is in today. Also, Ross wasn't going to get elected but I did like his Voodoo Economics.

Dixie

I'm going to disagree slightly. Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minutemen has stated his intent to run for President on the Constitution Party ticket. Because the Perot candidacy effectively cost the Republicans the white House in '92, I don't think that they'll take such a run lightly. My suspicion is that Glichrist could push the eventual Republican candidate into a tougher immigration stance. There's not an ice cube's chance in Hades that the Dems will get tough on immigration, given that this latest invasion started when Clinton opened the floodgates just prior to the '96 election. The Dems count on Mexicans, both illegal and legal, to vote for them because of their support for socialist entitlements. The problem is that big business has been pushing the GOP more and more into the unrestrained illegal immigration camp as well with their desire for dirt cheap labor. The difference, as I see it, between the Dems and the GOP is that the Dems can afford to alienate the anti-alien crowd while the GOP cannot. The Rpeublicans may serve big business, but big business cannot deliver the popular vote, and that leaves the GOP dependent upon apple pie Americans.

You're talking about throwing your vote away voting for a 3rd party, well, it certainly seems to me that I threw my vote away and I voted for Bush.
It would totally disgust me to have these guys shove this amnesty down our throats and then go vote for them.
I think Herndon Virginia and the governors race in Nebraska is a precursor of things to come. I have many acquaintanances that are just as disgusted as I am. They aren't going to be happy when or if they go to vote.
Also, tonight I was listening to Bill O'Reilly on the radio and his opinion is that the immigration issue has the possibility of causing the destruction of the Republican Party.
Pretty strong words.

Yes, Ghost, but it looks like the republicraps don't realize that yet...I started to write and TELL them...but figured they still wouldn't SEE it...

MJ

Originally Posted by MustangJo

Yes, Ghost, but it looks like the republicraps don't realize that yet...I started to write and TELL them...but figured they still wouldn't SEE it...

MJ

Well, my Senators and my Congressman realize it, and they have all been pushing hard for border control. My Congressman in aprticular has been leading a push to get the illegals on the other side of the border before discussing any guest worker program. I have been keeping the heat on as best I can...

I’m going to throw my 2 cents in here.

Two of our most famous Presidents warned of blind loyalty to political parties. And to say one would be throwing away your vote if you don’t vote for one of the two dominant parties is ludicrous and falls into the trap of our current two party system!!

I have attached two links of these famous presidents for your viewing;

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/ ... intro.html
(Pay particular attention to pages 13 & 14 – this is where we are at with both parties today.)

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quo ... ff0800.htm
(If you go to the Table of Contents you will find several interesting thoughts of his to include immigration.)

DiverMike – Proud American readdressing and rereading American History

Originally Posted by DiverMike

I’m going to throw my 2 cents in here.

Two of our most famous Presidents warned of blind loyalty to political parties. And to say one would be throwing away your vote if you don’t vote for one of the two dominant parties is ludicrous and falls into the trap of our current two party system!!

I have attached two links of these famous presidents for your viewing;

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/ ... intro.html
(Pay particular attention to pages 13 & 14 – this is where we are at with both parties today.)

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quo ... ff0800.htm
(If you go to the Table of Contents you will find several interesting thoughts of his to include immigration.)

DiverMike – Proud American readdressing and rereading American History

Good find! One of the oldest tactics used to deceive and defraud is that of the artificially limited alternative set, which has come to be characterized as the "lesser of two evils" syndrome. The trick is to keep a people who imagine they are free believing that they actually have a voice. The globalist elite have taken every agenda they want to steamroll us with and divided them up between the two parties. One side fights against one set but for the other set and vice versa. As the parties swing back and forth between majorities, they first pass the one set of anti-American statutes or treaties and then the other. Each side feigns the good fight against these policies that the American public abhors, but in the end they just blame the other side and roll over. It doesn't matter which party is in power so long as they keep passing laws that drive us further and further from the constitutional republic of strictly limited government that the Founding Fathers crafted.

What I am saying is that when you vote in a member of either of the two major parties, you may be blocking one despicable platform (abortion on demand, gay marriage and loss of religious rights) but you are supporting another (open borders, domestic spying and lost privacy rights). The key is that they keep you thinking that you may have lost one battle but that you have won another. That may be true for the moment, but when the other party takes over again in a few years, you'll be stuck with all the lost battles of the former party only to have the incoming party steal your few victories. Then the cycle repeats.

When will Americans figure out the game they're being subjected to? It's hard to win when you don't know the rules. It's even harder to win when you don't know you're playing.

Welcome CrocketsGhost,

I hope to have time to read your posts more thoroughly this weekend.

Anyone trying to look at this issue from a Dem Vs. Rep issue is playing the Pepsi Vs. Coke game.

It just does not work from a partisan view. It is a desire for things to be more simplistic.

We do not have the luxury of simplicity.

W

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Welcome CrocketsGhost,

I hope to have time to read your posts more thoroughly this weekend.

Anyone trying to look at this issue from a Dem Vs. Rep issue is playing the Pepsi Vs. Coke game.

It just does not work from a partisan view. It is a desire for things to be more simplistic.

We do not have the luxury of simplicity.

W

Precisely. The simple fact is that We the People have completely lost control of the process. We are being ruled, not governed.