Rep. Dave Brat Betrays Supporters On Immigration, Pushes Amnesty Like Eric Cantor

The ascension of Rep. Dave Brat (R-VA) was seen as one of the biggest victories of the tea party era. With zero name recognition and little money, Brat defeated establishment favorite Rep. Eric Cantor largely on the immigration issue. A little over three years later, Brat is already caving on amnesty.
Brat is working alongside the Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) to devise a plan that would keep DACA in place and provide anmesty for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. Brat and McCaul believe that eliminating the diversity visa lottery, enacting a mandatory e-verify program, and banning chain migration would make amnesty worthwhile.
“The numbers from those three pieces I just mentioned clearly outweigh the DACA — by a lot,” Brat said. “And so you’re just saying, ‘OK, we can deal with 700,000 here [in DACA] because we’re getting a reduction in millions here.’”

McCaul was more tight-lipped about the progress of the proposed deal, only stating that he has “been sworn to secrecy.” This is not a strong indicator the process that is out in the open and on the level. During the Obama administration, Brat was signing a different tune regarding DACA and amnesty for illegals.
“Immigrants come to the United States precisely because we have the rule of law while so many of their home countries do not. Today, Mr. Obama stands ready to violate that very rule of law and force his unpopular agenda on the American people while bypassing their elected representatives,” Brat said in a 2014 press release against Obama’s amnesty policies.
Brat talked tough when Obama was President, but has flip-flopped now that a Republican is in office. If amnesty is put into place, it will likely have Brat’s fingerprints all over it, and he will officially be another GOP legislator who betrayed the promises made to his constituents on the campaign trail.

http://www.thelibertyconservative.co...e-eric-cantor/

Surely, the American people realize now these people have no core beliefs. They are just there to do the bidding of other than the American people.

Brat supports apparent compromise on immigration reform

It's just been clarified by NumbersUSA email alert today that Brat's 3 in 1 bill has nothing to do with amnesty for DACA's or anyone else. It's a no amnesty bill to eliminate chain migration, visa lottery and pass e-verify. We're getting bad information.

Rep. Dave Brat Betrays Supporters On Immigration, Pushes Amnesty Like Eric Cantor


Started by ALIPAC, 11-13-2017 08:37 AM

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It's just been clarified by NumbersUSA email alert today that Brat's 3 in 1 bill has nothing to do with amnesty for DACA's or anyone else. It's a no amnesty bill to eliminate chain migration, visa lottery and pass e-verify. We're getting bad information.

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At the last minute, right before the vote, to get some democrats to vote for it they will compromise and add in the AMNESTY.

I'd rather have the RAISE ACT, it's much broader, includes the wall and interior enforcement plus it authorizes state and local governments to enforce US immigration law. It doesn't include E-Verify, but I don't care about that. I want interior enforcement. Lots of it. Any employer who wants to use E-Verify can use it now, it's available to everyone already.

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At the last minute, right before the vote, to get some democrats to vote for it they will compromise and add in the AMNESTY.

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And that's because we don't have enough Republicans in the Senate to pass an immigration enforcement bill, right? That is quite a quandary. Do you have any ideas how to solve that quandary?

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. . . Any employer who wants to use E-Verify can use it now, it's available to everyone already.

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The employers who WANT to use E-verify aren't the problem.

The employers who DON'T WANT to use E-verify are the problem and the ones who must be forced to use it by law.

Yeah, I don't want to "FORCE" our employers to use E-Verify if they don't want to. Our employers aren't the problem, illegal aliens are the problem.

EMPLOYERS ARE THE PROBLEM

WHEN THEY HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS

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Yeah, I don't want to "FORCE" our employers to use E-Verify if they don't want to. Our employers aren't the problem, illegal aliens are the problem.

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You don't want a mandate that requires employers to use E-Verify? I'm pretty sure that is counter to what most hard working blue collar American citizens want!

Businesses that knowingly hire illegal aliens are a huge part of the problem.

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EMPLOYERS ARE THE PROBLEM

WHEN THEY HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS

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They wouldn't be hiring illegal aliens if illegal aliens weren't in the country. Employers are not the problem, illegal aliens are the problem.

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You don't want a mandate that requires employers to use E-Verify? I'm pretty sure that is counter to what most hard working blue collar American citizens want!

Businesses that knowingly hire illegal aliens are a huge part of the problem.

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What is that going to cost to enforce? Who is going to follow up on the "mandate"? Who is going to investigate? Who is going to conduct their trials? Who is going to shut down their businesses? Who is going to pay all the unemployment benefits for all the Americans laid off because their businesses were closed because they didn't use E-Verify or were caught and punished?

Our employers are not the problem, illegal aliens are the problem. Don't make our employers responsible for failed border security and zero interior enforcement of our laws for 30 years. This is not their problem to solve, it's the government's problem to solve and the only solution is mass transit rapid deportation of every single illegal alien in our country with a simple 2 question "hearing" that a Judge can use E-Verify to answer. Make deportation judges use E-Verify, not our employers, and get these illegal aliens the hell out of here.

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They wouldn't be hiring illegal aliens if illegal aliens weren't in the country. Employers are not the problem, illegal aliens are the problem.

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Illegals know there are employers who will hire them despite E-Verify and that is why they come! That is a huge incentive for them, knowing there are jobs available! They would be much less likely to come if they knew no one would hire them.

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What is that going to cost to enforce? Who is going to follow up on the "mandate"? Who is going to investigate? Who is going to conduct their trials? Who is going to shut down their businesses? Who is going to pay all the unemployment benefits for all the Americans laid off because their businesses were closed because they didn't use E-Verify or were caught and punished?

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The enforcement structure for this is already in place, it has just not been used the way it should have. Any money spent to enforce no hire laws for illegals is money we won't need to spend to send them back where they came from because they won't come to begin with if they can't get hired.

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They wouldn't be hiring illegal aliens if illegal aliens weren't in the country. Employers are not the problem, illegal aliens are the problem.

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Employers that hire illegals are a big part of why the majority of them are here. So let's do everything humanly possible to ensure American businesses are operating in accordance with our written immigration laws.

Our federally mandated seat belt law is not law because everybody wants it or it makes them comfortable, it's law because it has been proven to save life. Does it save everyone in an accident, no, but it does greatly increase the survivability of a crash victim. Mandating E-Verify should be looked at in the same context. Will it prevent every single employer from hiring an illegal immigrant, no, but it will decrease the probability of it happening.

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At the last minute, right before the vote, to get some democrats to vote for it they will compromise and add in the AMNESTY.

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This is likely to happen with any immigration bill put up for a vote. This is why the laws we have need to be enforced! Anything new can be finagled with to include amnesties we don't want.

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Employers that hire illegals are a big part of why the majority of them are here. So let's do everything humanly possible to ensure American businesses are operating in accordance with our written immigration laws.

Our federally mandated seat belt law is not law because everybody wants it or it makes them comfortable, it's law because it has been proven to save life. Does it save everyone in an accident, no, but it does greatly increase the survivability of a crash victim. Mandating E-Verify should be looked at in the same context. Will it prevent every single employer from hiring an illegal immigrant, no, but it will decrease the probability of it happening.

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They are E-Verifying American Workers. Who wants that??!! You want your facial image and your drivers license and god knows what else in a federal database? What is wrong with you people? E-Verify isn't about verifying illegal aliens, it's about verifying ... you.

Oh geez, you're seat belt people. You're probably mandatory auto insurance people, too. No wonder you like that income tax.

God help US.

I spoke with Rep. Dave Brat by phone yesterday. He said he is not open to including Amnesty in his bill. Please spread the word.

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They are E-Verifying American Workers. Who wants that??!! You want your facial image and your drivers license and god knows what else in a federal database? What is wrong with you people? E-Verify isn't about verifying illegal aliens, it's about verifying ... you.

Oh geez, you're seat belt people. You're probably mandatory auto insurance people, too. No wonder you like that income tax.

God help US.

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Personal attacks aren't going to change the fact that you're on the losing side on this.

Oh, so you're not proud to be of the seat belt people? Then why support something you're ashamed to be a part of? That's so strange.

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Oh, so you're not proud to be of the seat belt people? Then why support something you're ashamed to be a part of? That's so strange.

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I'm not falling for it, Judy. I won't be baited into an argument just so you can obfuscate the original argument. Of course you may have, after realizing the ridiculous argument your were making, decided to bury your original argument in thread. I must admit, your position was rather silly.

LOL!! You fall for it every time. It's the strangest thing, it really is! Now, shoo, go away from me.

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LOL!! You fall for it every time. It's the strangest thing, it really is! Now, shoo, go away from me.

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If you can't treat other ALIPAC member with respect you should go away and never come back.

https://youtu.be/HXNrIUj4phM

They also know, USA will pay for all stages of pregnancy from pre-natal thru 18yrs and above for schooling, healhcare, dental all on our taxpayers EVEN THOUGH BOTH PARENTS ARE ILLEGALS- and multiple births OK - it is the ticket to ride and they are not being deported as promised by potus.

About to be confirmed is a new DHS sect'y that has sworn under testimony to only deport "known" criminals. Talking @ amnesty for all central amercians, all illegals - WHAT! NOT WHAT WE AS VOTERS WERE PROMISED! DAY ONE ETC.......

Another dhs nominee faux pas - to say drugs are fueled by USA users as opposed to illegals responsible for supplying is appalling. Same thing as employers allowed to hire w/o scrutiny of e-verify demands. Well if I can pay less and no one is going to enforce the laws @ hiring illegals, well......
Ad Nauseum on that notion!

Mandatory E-Verify Remains Trump’s Most Popular Immigration Principle

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Yeah, I don't want to "FORCE" our employers to use E-Verify if they don't want to. Our employers aren't the problem, illegal aliens are the problem.

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Oh Judy, my dear friend Judy. Yes they are. If it wasn't for this dangling carrot these parasitic employers are putting out, illegals wouldn't be coming here in the first place.

The attraction and source for illegals to come here is a job. If there was no job waiting for them, provided by crooked employers, they would not come here in the first place. We need to target the source, the employers who hire illegals. We need to cure the disease, not just the symptoms.

AUDIO: Dave Brat addresses DACA, E-Verify, Chain Migration


https://soundcloud.com/breitbart/bre...ptember-7-2017

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If you can't treat other ALIPAC member with respect you should go away and never come back.

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You'd love that wouldn't you? I'd like to remind you that I've been here a lot longer than you have, now, shoo, go away from me.

Shocking: Tom Tancredo & Team America PAC Support Amnesty!?!?!

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They are E-Verifying American Workers. Who wants that??!! You want your facial image and your drivers license and god knows what else in a federal database? What is wrong with you people? E-Verify isn't about verifying illegal aliens, it's about verifying ... you . . .

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Mandatory E-Verify Remains Trump’s Most Popular Immigration Principle

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They don't understand how it works, when they find out, they won't like it or anyone involved in passing it. It's an information grab by the government concealed as an immigration control measure. Innocent Americans who don't understand the program believe the illegal aliens are the targets, when no, they are not building databases on illegal aliens they have no intention of ever deporting, they are building a database on Americans so when they spy on your phone calls and computers through NSA, they can flip over to E-Verify and find out where you live on your drivers license, get your picture, get your work and home addresses and if you're challenging the government or being a menace against their destructive policies, they can grab you. They already know where the illegal aliens work from the SS No Match Letters. If they had any intention of using that information to deport illegal aliens, they would have already done so.

Mandatory E-Verify Included in Trump’s 2018 Budget

By Kelsey Basten
Published on May 16, 2017

Trump’s 2018 budget proposes $15 million of the Department of Homeland Security budget be used to begin the implementation of a mandatory E-Verify.

Since 1996, E-Verify has been voluntary for most employers. It also has become mandatory for federal contractors, certain state contractors and employers that want to implement science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) when hiring foreign graduates of U.S. universities.

However, according to SHRM, barely 10 percent of U.S. employers are currently enrolled in the system today.

If E-Verify were to become mandatory, there is currently no prediction of how long it would take to roll out. The timing could be anywhere from one to five years.

Although it is not required at a federal level, many states have laws that either require or encourage some employers to use E-Verify including:

• Arizona and Mississippi: Required (all employers)
• South Carolina: Encouraged (all employers)
• Colorado, Georgia, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Rhode Island and Utah: Required (public contractors)
• Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island and Utah: Required (state agencies)

GovDocs will be following this subject as it develops. Check back on this subject at Labor Law News – updates to come!

https://www.govdocs.com/mandatory-e-...s-2018-budget/

MANDATORY FINES TO EMPLOYERS! HIT THEM IN THE WALLET!

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They don't understand how it works, when they find out, they won't like it or anyone involved in passing it. It's an information grab by the government concealed as an immigration control measure. Innocent Americans who don't understand the program believe the illegal aliens are the targets, when no, they are not building databases on illegal aliens they have no intention of ever deporting, they are building a database on Americans so when they spy on your phone calls and computers through NSA, they can flip over to E-Verify and find out where you live on your drivers license, get your picture, get your work and home addresses and if you're challenging the government or being a menace against their destructive policies, they can grab you. They already know where the illegal aliens work from the SS No Match Letters. If they had any intention of using that information to deport illegal aliens, they would have already done so.

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We can't allow hysteria brought on by excessive paranoia to stop us from ensuring all employers adhere to our written immigration laws. E-Verify is the tool that can help us do that. Unfortunately many employers aren't playing by the rules, which means they must be forced.

I'd still rather see the RAISE ACT passed that doesn't include E-Verify than Brat's bill that does. We get a whole lot more with the Raise Act than with Brat's bill, so it's VERY ODD to me that anyone here would be supporting the lesser bill that rumors already indicate will be offset with a DACA Amnesty.

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I'd still rather see the RAISE ACT passed that doesn't include E-Verify than Brat's bill that does. We get a whole lot more with the Raise Act than with Brat's bill, so it's VERY ODD to me that anyone here would be supporting the lesser bill that rumors already indicate will be offset with a DACA Amnesty.

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I haven't seen anyone comparing the two bills. The RAISE Act doesn't include a DACA amnesty, which means there really shouldn't be any opposition to it on here. You turned this into an E-Verify discussion when you came out specifically against E-Verify. I'd say it's pretty much understood that no one here supports any bill that included an amnesty, even if it does include E-Verify. However, that doesn't mean folks don't support E-Verify.

Personally, I'd love to see E-Verify brought to the floor as a stand alone bill. Unfortunately though, that's not going to happen because mandatory E-Verify is strongly opposed by corporations, businesses, Chamber of Commerce, building industry, agricultural industry, and most labor unions. Very few Republicans want to go on record supporting E-Verify as a stand alone bill because they don't have the guts to go against the industries that staunchly oppose it.

Mandatory E-Verify is a no-brainer for most of us but is a seen by many politicians as a huge hazard, one they would rather avoid. That's why we'll will never see it as a stand alone bill.