Thread: Republican flips to yes on healthcare bill

Originally Posted by Judy

Because in reality, states haven't done a very good job for the people of our country. They protected slavery. They protected segregation. They refused to give blacks and women equal rights. They pick on gay people. They pander to illegal aliens. They demand money from the federal government. They ratified the 16th Amendment that established the income tax. They banned alcohol. They've protected a vile insurance and medical industry raping sick people. They've supported "free trade treason" that cost them their manufacturing jobs and sustainability.

Throughout our history, our states just haven't done a very good job with their reserved powers and the dissatisfaction has led to a more powerful federal government to protect the people from the states in response to that poor job.

The States have regulated the entire insurance industry since 1945. Now people expect the States to solve a problem they alone created under the protection of McCarran-Ferguson Act? I don't think they have a clue what to do except ask for money to support all the poverty they've either created or failed to solve.

Trump's got this. If people will support him and the Phase 1 bill in some form so long as it has the repeal of the mandates on individuals and employers and support the repeal of McCarran-Ferguson, the rest will work itself out in due course.

You just don't get it, do you? If Ryan's plan gets passed, you can bet your bottom dollar there will be no phase 2 and 3. Ryan's plan is to keep the federal government's iron fist involved in health-care and health insurance.


JWK

Phase 2 is already set, Ryan doesn't have anything to do with Phase 2. Phase 2 is Tom Price and Donald Trump under their authority alone. No one in Congress is even involved in Phase 2, it is total 100% Executive Branch Authority and very broad and encompassing Executive Regulatory Authority. Phase 3 is "erasing the lines" that Trump campaigned on, that he knows is the key source of the monopolistic and anti-competition behavior of the insurance industry and all those fed by it since 1945. If Congress doesn't pass the Phase 3 bill to repeal McCarran, there will be consequences because that is the bill that reduces the insurance premiums and increases choices and services through national interstate competition and much larger multi-state and national insurance pools.

Originally Posted by Judy

Phase 2 is already set, Ryan doesn't have anything to do with Phase 2. Phase 2 is Tom Price and Donald Trump under their authority alone. No one in Congress is even involved in Phase 2, it is total 100% Executive Branch Authority and very broad and encompassing Executive Regulatory Authority. Phase 3 is "erasing the lines" that Trump campaigned on, that he knows is the key source of the monopolistic and anti-competition behavior of the insurance industry and all those fed by it since 1945. If Congress doesn't pass the Phase bill to repeal McCarran, there will be consequences because that is the bill that reduces the insurance premiums and increases choices and services through national interstate competition and much larger multi-state and national insurance pools.

Exactly, President Trump doesn't control phase 3.

Originally Posted by MW

Exactly, President Trump doesn't control phase 3.

The President doesn't control Phase 1 either.

Originally Posted by Judy

Phase 2 is already set, Ryan doesn't have anything to do with Phase 2. Phase 2 is Tom Price and Donald Trump under their authority alone. No one in Congress is even involved in Phase 2, it is total 100% Executive Branch Authority and very broad and encompassing Executive Regulatory Authority. Phase 3 is "erasing the lines" that Trump campaigned on, that he knows is the key source of the monopolistic and anti-competition behavior of the insurance industry and all those fed by it since 1945. If Congress doesn't pass the Phase 3 bill to repeal McCarran, there will be consequences because that is the bill that reduces the insurance premiums and increases choices and services through national interstate competition and much larger multi-state and national insurance pools.

Judy,

There is no repeal of Obamacare on the table. The Ryan Bill keeps the federal government's hand in the people's health-care.

The problem is, Paul Ryan's mission from the beginning was to sabotage Trump's attempt to repeal Obamacare, and he has been successful in conning Trump about the 60 vote requirement in the Senate!


Tell me, Judy, do you support an end to our federal government taxing for, spending on and involving itself in the people's health-care needs within the various state borders?


JWK

You may be right about Ryan, Johnwk. That wouldn't surprise me at all. He's a snake.

Originally Posted by Judy

You may be right about Ryan, Johnwk. That wouldn't surprise me at all. He's a snake.

Let me assure you, both Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell’s primary mission with regard to Trump’s desire to repeal Obamacare is to sabotage it, or make certain the federal government keeps its hands in both in order to redistribute BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR rather than end the federal government’s unconstitutional meddling in these areas.

Have you noticed our big media and Ryan constantly telling us we can’t repeal Obamacare because of the Byrd Rule?But have you heard either of them saying that the Byrd Rule can be changed with a mere majority vote in the Senate?

Trump needs to publically confront Paul never-Trump Ryan, and expose this little *****s obstructionist tactics in the fight to repeal Obamacare.


JWK

Other than just scrapping it - first - then writing a new one, I think any healthcare plan to be voted on today has been too hastily prepared.

Certainly, this country has not been perfect and states have made some mistakes.

At least, however, with the power in the hands of the people of each state, there is a much greater chance of getting changes made.

All the 'remedies' the federal government has put in place has not been in response to any state problem, but simply a power grab.

Yes, states protected slavery - a vile abomination - but a legal one.

Yes, they protected segregation. In response to that, we now have affirmative action.
We also have the federal government destroying our education system - which was their plan all along.


As for insurance, why shouldn't a state be able to regulate insurance companies. The cost of medical care is not the same in all states - or at least it wasn't. Why should people in Texas, where healthcare was once relatively low, (at least affordable), pay the same premiums as some northeastern state where the price of healthcare was very high.

Medicare was just being enacted when I went with My Grandmother for a Dr.'s visit. He was discussing Medicare with her. He told her it would drive the cost of healthcare up.

He said say he usually charged $50 for the removal of an appendix. The government would pay up to $75. He asked how long we thought it would be before doctors got the idea they were loosing or passing up monies and would begin charging $75 - for everyone.

The American people have less than zero chance actually changing the federal government.

The One Party system has controlled our state politicians just like they control the federal government. That was once not the case.

We put someone in the WH, and look at the opposition he is getting. They aren't going to let him actually do any of the things he wanted.

As for insurance, why shouldn't a state be able to regulate insurance companies. The cost of medical care is not the same in all states - or at least it wasn't. Why should people in Texas, where healthcare was once relatively low, (at least affordable), pay the same premiums as some northeastern state where the price of healthcare was very high.

States should be able to regulate insurance companies. That state regulation just shouldn't exempt a company from the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and Federal Trade Regulations that govern all other businesses. McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 is an evil law that exempts the insurance industry from the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and FTC regulations only because the insurance company is regulated by a state. It's special treatment for the insurance company at the peril of the citizen, treatment no other business or industry enjoys.

Also, repealing McCarran-Ferguson Act doesn't prevent states continuing to regulate insurance in their states, they just have the additional federal oversight and regulation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and Federal Trade Regulations.

McCarran-Ferguson has caused many insurance companies in an attempt to avoid Sherman Anti-Trust and FTC laws and regulations to compartmentalize their business in a 50 state company organization which creates much smaller pools, less volume, higher rates, and higher administration costs.