Thread: Republicans take us for idiots

[quote="dxd"]ladydrake,
RE:However, they certainly made sure to help out by jumping on the bandwagon with their votes.

YES YES that is my point. That is the republican scam. The Republicans want amnesty but they will use the Dems as patsies in an attempt to try to get people to look at voting records ONLY and therefore blame mostly D. I do not mean to be insulting to anyone, but anyone who can not see this is either part of the Republican amnesty scam or cerebrally challenged.
The Republicans are scamming us and using democrats as the patsies. Bush and the R party is the driving force behing amnesty. Agreed?
Asking me who I
You are so full of used food that your eyes are brown! When 90% of a minority compared with 40% of a majority manage to push through a piece of legislation, pretending that it is entirely the fault of the majority is so ludicrous as to be laughable.

Why don't you get your DNC arse off this site and stop pretending that you are not a DNC political operative? And why don't you rebut the many charges to that effect if they are not true? Folks, while Republicans aren't doing us any favors right now, this clown is a perfect example of the deceit of the Demonrats. They sell us down the river by a 9:1 margin and then try to convince us that they're the good guys! Folks, there are no good guys (or at least precious few, when it comes to this topic), but pretending not only that 90% of the Dems in the Senate don't need to be out on thier arses come November, but that they should instead be rewarded by making them the majority, is so patently absurd as to be beyond belief.

If this guy wants to campaign for his party, he should be required to purchase advertizing space. Then he should be informed that his partisan ads have no place on a site such as this one and given his money back.

YES YES that is my point. That is the republican scam. The Republicans want amnesty but they will use the Dems as patsies in an attempt to try to get people to look at voting records ONLY and therefore blame mostly D.

I agree the plan is a poor attempt to get people to agree to amnesty, hence the term "shamnesty".

What I'm saying is I believe BOTH parties are responsible. I don't understand how Republicans are using the Democrats as patsies with the voting records when the records show how both sides have voted on a given issue. What's the implication you are making here? Are you saying the Democrats vote differently from what the records show? Are the Democrats not capable of voting against that which they might not agree with?

I do not mean to be insulting to anyone, but anyone who can not see this is either part of the Republican amnesty scam or cerebrally challenged.

You say you don't mean to be insulting and then turn right around and say the same thing as before using "cerebrally challenged" instead of "dumb" ... in one sentence even. This is the second time you've made a bad move.

Here's a little tip: Leave out calling people "dumb" or "cerebrally challenged" or as part of some scam or any other insults because they happen to disagree with you.

The Republicans are scamming us and using democrats as the patsies. Bush and the R party is the driving force behing amnesty. Agreed?

No, I do not agree Bush and the Republicans are the sole driving force. As I've said (and this will be the last time I say this) I believe BOTH parties are responsible, period. Can you please provide me with some sources that prove your claim of Democrats being used as patsies?

Asking me who I will support in 2008 is ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? Do you not think it will be just as much if not more important? I think you are just avoiding answering the question, yet again.

FYI I did a write-in in 2004.

So? Nothing to give me a way to read it for myself? Just going to make the claim and leave it at that? Unfortunately, I'm left to consider the remark as irrelevant (sp?) and nothing more than words used to take up space in your post.

What is hilarious is his contention that the Dems ore okey-dokey because they are the minority (by a few seats) and just caught up in the majority plan. Does dxd expect us to believe that a party whose Senators voted 90% in favor of the "shamnesty" would not still vote for it by that margin if they gained a few seats and became the majority in 2007? I suggest that all that giving the majority to the Dems will do is make sure that the party controlling chairmanships of the committees deciding which bills get to the floor and which do not is transferred from one whose majority opposed the amnesty to one whose overwhelming majority supports it. How the Hell is that supposed to help our cause? (By "our" cause, I mean those of us opposing illegal immigration and amnesty. I understand full well how it would help dxd's cause, which is partisan, not patriotic)

You caught me! I was finding it all amusing, that's why I keep replying!

What is hilarious is his contention that the Dems ore okey-dokey because they are the minority (by a few seats) and just caught up in the majority plan.

dxd claimed to not being Democrat, but I wonder if this person would be accusing the Democrats of using the Republicans as patsies if the Democrats were the majority. I can't say I'm inclined to think they would.

Does dxd expect us to believe that a party whose Senators voted 90% in favor of the "shamnesty" would not still vote for it by that margin if they gained a few seats and became the majority in 2007?

Actually, I'm not sure.

I'm leaning toward the theory that there is less and less difference between the Democratic and Republican parties. As time goes by, seems they get closer and closer to being the same. Neither party is currently the same they originated as. I honestly can't say what they are now, except they both seem Anti-American.

ladydrake,
It is the Republican Party that is insulting everyones intelligence, not me.
They are the one that are insulting your intelligence by saying AMNESTY is not AMNESTY. They are insulting your intelligence by bringing a bill to the senate floor and having mostly D vote for it so they can have their amnesty and blame D. They are insulting your intelligence by having a conservative like Pence support amnesty so they can try to associate amnesty with conservatism.

RE:dxd claimed to not being Democrat, but I wonder if this person would be accusing the Democrats of using the Republicans as patsies if the Democrats were the majority.

Answer:YES I would

If you understand that there can only be one majority party and the majority party controls the agenda of what is brought to the floor then you must agree that no one can vote on anything unless it is brought to the floor for a vote. Do you understand that difference? The minority party can not even bring something for a vote by themselves.

It is the Republican Party that is insulting everyones intelligence, not me.

I didn't say the Republicans weren't insulting people's intelligence or the Democrats for that matter. I do believe I stated previously:

... politicians in general take us for idiots.

I believe it's obvious that statement includes Republican and Democrat alike. Perhaps I made the mistake of not being clear enough?

As for your claim that you aren't insulting people's intelligence, I'll quote what you said:

Anyone who says look at the voting record only is either part of the Republican amnesty scam or else they are too dumb to know that the minority party can not pass anything by themselves.

I do not mean to be insulting to anyone, but anyone who can not see this is either part of the Republican amnesty scam or cerebrally challenged.

How you don't think your own words are insulting people's intelligence, I do not understand. The denial itself is insulting to people's intelligence.

RE:dxd claimed to not being Democrat, but I wonder if this person would be accusing the Democrats of using the Republicans as patsies if the Democrats were the majority.

Answer:YES I would

I'm not convinced since you continue to try and place blame solely at the feet of the Republicans. You continue to refuse to acknowledge the Democrats are responsible too.

They are insulting your intelligence by bringing a bill to the senate floor and having mostly D vote for it so they can have their amnesty and blame D.

I'll ask again, give me sources that prove your claim, and tell me what you are trying to imply here. As I'd asked before, are you saying the Democrats are not capable of voting against that which they disagree?

If you understand that there can only be one majority party and the majority party controls the agenda of what is brought to the floor then you must agree that no one can vote on anything unless it is brought to the floor for a vote. Do you understand that difference? The minority party can not even bring something for a vote by themselves.

Of course I understand that. What does that have to do with how they voted? Just because the Democrats didn't bring it to the floor doesn't mean they had to vote in favor of amnesty. The point isn't which party brought it to vote. The point is both parties are guilty of voting in favor of amnesty plain and simple.

As before, please provide me and everyone else here with credible sources proving your claim that the Republicans are using the Democrats as scapegoats. Prove to us the Democrats were somehow, someway forced to vote in favor of amnesty.

I'll ask another question ... again: Why is asking who you will support in 2008 ridiculous?

Problem I'm seeing here is you aren't finding what you were possibly hoping for. It seems to me you were hoping for people who blindly follow one party or another and that isn't what you are getting. Perhaps you were hoping to convince people to support the Democrats. Unfortunately, I don't think you are doing yourself or your cause (whatever that may be) any good. Maybe I'm wrong, just really seems to be the case here.

Originally Posted by dxd

ladydrake,
It is the Republican Party that is insulting everyones intelligence, not me.
They are the one that are insulting your intelligence by saying AMNESTY is not AMNESTY. They are insulting your intelligence by bringing a bill to the senate floor and having mostly D vote for it so they can have their amnesty and blame D. They are insulting your intelligence by having a conservative like Pence support amnesty so they can try to associate amnesty with conservatism.

RE:dxd claimed to not being Democrat, but I wonder if this person would be accusing the Democrats of using the Republicans as patsies if the Democrats were the majority.

Answer:YES I would

If you understand that there can only be one majority party and the majority party controls the agenda of what is brought to the floor then you must agree that no one can vote on anything unless it is brought to the floor for a vote. Do you understand that difference? The minority party can not even bring something for a vote by themselves.

You dissemble. The FACT is that a vastly greater percentage of Democrats supported the amnesty bill than did the Republicans. The fact is that a greater number of Democrats, by about 2:1, supported amnesty than did the Republicans REGARDLESS of the relative make-up of the Senate. The FACT is that in the House the Republicans overwhelmingly supported that bill demanding enforcement first and not even addressing amnesty in any wise, while the only real opposition to that bill in the House came from the Democrats.

If ANYONE is an idiot here, it's a guy who believes that people at this site are too stupid to perform simple arithmatic or to recognize an obvious political operative when we see one. And only the most extreme pretzel logic can arrive at a notion that a party that opposed are strong anti-illegal immigration bill in the House and supported by about 90% an amnesty in the Senate is the party that should be handed the majority. It's like saying that Hezbollah is not the problem in Lebanon because they are not the majority.

ladydrake,
RE: My statements of
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Anyone who says look at the voting record only is either part of the Republican amnesty scam or else they are too dumb to know that the minority party can not pass anything by themselves.


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I do not mean to be insulting to anyone, but anyone who can not see this is either part of the Republican amnesty scam or cerebrally challenged.


These are not insults. They are accurate assessments. Just like:

Anyone who can not see that Bush and the Republican party is the driving force behind amnesty is either cerebrally challenged or part of the republican amnesty scam. This is not insulting, it is an accruate assement. Insulting is what the republicans are doing when they tell you Amnesty is not really amnesty.

dxd,

I believe you are a Democrat and you are attempting to put all the Amnesty Blame on the Republicans. Well what in the heck to you think the old Democratic Donkey Ted is doing? Hello, the Democrats own the Amnesty way more than the Republicans. The Democrats have sponsored and pushed all the Bills for Amnesty and they are the ones that have voted for it time and time again.

Somebody please find dxd the Democratic list of Nays to HR4437 and all the Democratic Yeas to S2611. We can let you see it for yourself.

Dixie

Dixie:

Here's part of your request:

On May 25, 2006, the Senate passed the Hagel-Martinez amnesty bill (S. 2611) by a vote of 62-36 (Roll Call 157). 38 Democrats and 23 Republicans voted for the bill, while 4 Democrats and 32 Republicans voted against the bill. This is significant because the majority of the Majority (Republicans) voted against this bill. Essentially, this is a Democratic bill, approved by Sen. Ted Kennedy and Sen. John McCain, which grants amnesty to 12+ million illegal aliens, putting them on the path to U.S. citizenship.

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