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    its the dumbing down of the school system. i saw the superintendent that fired those teachers. what a fool, you know what bumper sticker is on the back of her prius. talk about tossing the baby out with the bath water! the school should toss all the flunkies out and chain the doors, stop running a anchor baby breeding center. send the teachers home with pay untill the local government can pass laws to make it a felony for these "parents" to allow thier kids to become pregnant at the age of 13. but no. like new teachers are gonna turn the remedial little beggars into einstiens! close the school, like they do in chicago. one shut down today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hylander_1314
    Bigtex,

    They are caught between a rock and hardplace on that one. Parents aren't supposed to rear their young. They are to follow government rules and laws, or socialist services and the state step in and take them from you.

    Too many parents use the system as a huge babysitting system, mostly because mom can't stay home to raise them.

    Like anything else these days, too much government involvement
    I hear you! In Houston ISD they are going to vote on having year round schools. However, the only school they will keep open are in the highest Hispanic and low economic areas. Obviously these are the only people that complain because they have no one to watch their kids when the summer holiday comes. So it is like you said, schools have become a free baby sitting service for low ecomomic group parents.
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    Anyone can learn, even from the worst teacher. It is the fault solely of parents who do not demand that they go to school and behave or else, do their homework or else, and respect teachers and parents. No teacher, social worker, police officer or even priest who can overturn the harm of parents who do not value education or even the country and its values that they broke into.

    As long as we reward parents who should not have children they cannot afford, this will not change. It is unreasonable to expect a teacher to "work with them".

    If a child fails, they should be required to go to summer school, and the parent should have to pay. They need some skin in the game.

    I made my son go to summer school one year, not because he failed, but he did not do his best. I was damned if he would sleep late and enjoy his summer. I only did that one time. BTW, he is now a VP of his firm.

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    GaPatriot, parental accountability is a huge issue in this.

    My oldest was in high school, and found out how to skip school and also intercept the automated calls at home regarding her absence. Once we did get wind of it all, she was in serious trouble and we then started working with the school, but THEY refused to help us keep her there. WE did our best, but in the end, she was behind and instead of working with us, the school counselor, with the approval of the principal, told us to have her get her GED............

    Most time, it is the parents, but sometimes it is the particular school that enable the issues.

    Then when our son (now 16) was in grade school, and was struggling, we asked for some sort of tutoring help, they stated they did not qualify for Title I funds, and could not provide any help, and we would have to pay for a tutor. We could not, and they sat back while he fell further behind and we struggled ourselves to work with him.

    These two particular districts we had been in have high anchor baby populations, we are not sure if this added to the schools apathy in their jobs, or not, but know it has really plugged up the system and draining funds.

    I have heard similar stories, like our own, and know American parents are becoming more and more frustrated, but a great deal of the parents, especially those who are non-English speakers, seem to simply be hands off with their kids education, they really do not seem to care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtex
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    Bigtex,

    They are caught between a rock and hardplace on that one. Parents aren't supposed to rear their young. They are to follow government rules and laws, or socialist services and the state step in and take them from you.

    Too many parents use the system as a huge babysitting system, mostly because mom can't stay home to raise them.

    Like anything else these days, too much government involvement
    I hear you! In Houston ISD they are going to vote on having year round schools. However, the only school they will keep open are in the highest Hispanic and low economic areas. Obviously these are the only people that complain because they have no one to watch their kids when the summer holiday comes. So it is like you said, schools have become a free baby sitting service for low ecomomic group parents.
    The answers as to why this is, is all laid out in Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto. And in there he even talks about kids being put into the public trust in the schools, so they become indoctrinated to look at the establishment for their answers instead of Mom, and Dad.

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    my kids high school has a very small percentage of these enrolled.many of the girls are waddling around pregged up, and the boys are wanna-be gang members. my kids are on the honor roll and are in sports. my girl,16, has one friend thats in and out of rehab 3 times, her father has done prison time for beating her too. all she wants to do is drink, drugs, and hang with the "homeboys". shes not allowed over here, and none of the little wanna-bangers either. i dont even try to care, i dont want any contact with these kids or thier retard illegal parents. all i need is a car load show up looking for their daughter.

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    Hey Draindog,

    My son tried that little homeboy bullshine with me, and I climbed all over him like white on rice. Fixed him good too. Took him down in the hood in Detroit where I grew up, and told him to get out of the car, and I would be waiting on the "other side of the tracks" 5 miles away, and if he wanted a ride home, that's where I'ld be. Needless to say, he dropped that crap like a hot potato. Didn't like the idea of dealin' with real homeboys and "gangstas" like they like to say.

    My daughter on the other hand has no problems. She saw through the little wannabe bs artists and never liked that stuff anyways. But then again her IQ tests just came back and she's in the top 2% in the world for that, and her english, and word useage tests just came back, and they recalculated her test score as there was only a 100% possible, but since she went above the required word useage and expanded into higher functions they were forced to recalculate her score to a 140. Or at least that's how it was explained to me.

    My trouble when I was younger, was my mouth. Good at learning, but I had one big problem. A gaping hole where "tact" should have been.

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    draindog, keep a tight grip on your kids. It is the best you can do for them.

    The only reason we had such a hard time with our oldest is that she had bi-polar. We tried with all our might to get help, to figure out why such extremes in her emotions, but we waved off by teachers, counselors and doctors with "she's just a teenage girl, it will blow over and calm down in a few years". No it did not till she was 24 and was diagnosed with it, explained as "Bi-polar with rapid cycling". Now she is married with an almost 5 year old son, going to college full-time.

    Our younger two are home-schooled, so not being indoctrinated into the liberal Oregon public school mindset.
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    One other thing I did, besides taking him out of public school and putting him in Catholic school, was show up at his classes unannounced when he "forgot" to bring his books home or his homework assignments. I sat in the back, wrote down his assignments, and made sure the books needed traveled home. Didn't have to do that very often either. He was humiliated. The teachers loved me.

    It wasn't always smooth sailing, like in high school forgetting that he had a research paper due Monday until it was Sunday and the library was closed. Well, guess what, the college library happens to be open Sundays and I put him in the car and off we went. The info was so much better at college that after that he requested I take him there to do his papers.

    I have no doubt that if I didn't sit on him and put the fear of me above all else, he would have taken the lazy approach. No, he feared me more than he did God, because I made his world end and did it immediately. I became divorced when he was in elementary school, but I stayed on his case as before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GaPatriot
    Anyone can learn, even from the worst teacher. It is the fault solely of parents who do not demand that they go to school and behave or else, do their homework or else, and respect teachers and parents. No teacher, social worker, police officer or even priest who can overturn the harm of parents who do not value education or even the country and its values that they broke into.
    That's it!

    The most important resource for any school is parental involvement in the form of emotional support for their children's education. Parents don't have to be proficient, they merely have to provide emotional support.

    The illegal students should, of course, simply be deported along with their illegal parents.

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