Thread: RI school fired all of It's teachers, students 69% hispanic

Originally Posted by bigtex

Here is the part about No Child Left Behind that most people don’t realize. This horrible model was developed right here in Houston, Texas by none other than HISD’s past Superintendent Rod Paige. He introduced teacher incentive pay, which rewards teachers for raising test scores. Yes get those state accountability score up and you make money. Thus kids know how to take a standardized test but didn’t know enough to pass their class work and eventually graduate.

Soon HISD became involved in cheating to meet these goals. Still Obama thinks this is a good idea. Still teachers’ pay and jobs are tied to accountability testing. Still there is cheating going on and learning is not happening.

That's the problem with 'Bama's nutball "education reform" all right. But IMO if teachers don't start saying what the real problem is, frustrated parents will start voting to close schools.

In a post above, someone - was it Betty? - mentioned having parents sign a contract. That is an exceptionally good idea. During the signing process, parents can be told that they don't have to be proficient, they merely have to provide emotional support for their children's education. Teachers can take it from there.

I agree about the "college for everyone" nonsense. People can make a good living in the trades.

Bettybb wrote:

. From your post, I gather if you suspect a kid needs glasses, you would turn your back and say "not in my area of expertise" so I will say nothing.

Bigtex wrote:

Actually my feeling is that if I notice a kid that I may only see 50 minutes a day, 5 day a week needs glasses how come the parent didn't notice a long time ago. What is going on with the parents that they can't detect problems in their own children. Why have we become so dependent on teachers to raise our kids? Pretty poor parenting if you ask me. Of course, unlike teachers who have to be certified tested and retested, any dummy can lay down and have a kid. Then pass off any responsibility to teachers and not feel bad about it. Illegal aliens do this every day. Problem is when Americans pull the same low life scams.

My feeling is that teachers are professionals, and noticing things about a child that could impair their learning is an integral part of the job, and part of the profession.

In most jobs that deal with the public, the person who is doing the job could easily say, this person who is asking for my help is an irresponsible idiot, and turn their backs. Take an accountant for instance. A small businessman goes to him to prepare the corporate taxes. The accountant finds a major screw up in the books, one that fool should have avoided. Does the accountant say, gee anyone this stupid idiot should not be in business and ignore the situation? Of course not, because to do so would mean he is not doing his job properly.


Bettybb wrote:

.You are 100% wrong about my not knowing what a Hispanic school district is like.

Bigtex wrote:

What school district do you live in? Perhaps all the school districts who are being bled dry by illegals in Texas, Arizona, Florida and California need a lesson in how to properly accommodate these peole?

San Jose Unified in California. Yes, one would think that educators would be beating down the doors to find out how school districts like ours are making progress where others are failing. But they are not. Education,Inc.’s goal to serve the interest of the educators, not the kids.


Bettybb wrote:

The harsh reality is that these kids need to be educated and it is the school's job to find a way to do so. That is called responsiblity. That is what competent profesionals do. Throwing in the towel is cop out.

Bigtex wrote:

Oh we have found a way to. And its at the expense of good kids who are there to learn. We spend more money on special ed and and LEP students than we send on gifted and talented or main stream students. Of course there is only so much money to go around and these kids are much more important. We give free child care, free after school care, free transportation, free school supplies, free health care, free eye glasses, free medical care, all so the parents can stay home doing nothing but having more anchor babies. Nothing against special ed, but when 99% of them here are illegal aliens or anchor babies I have big problem. Especially giving them priority over regular children. How much sense does it take for an adult to understand how expensive it is to raise and take care of a child? Yet they keep having more and more.

??? Have I read your posts wrong? Isn’t it your position that because kids have unsupportive parents, they cannot succeed, and teachers who refuse to try new methods in order to get them to succeed do not deserve to be fired?


Bettybb wrote:

All that is really needed for an effectice school system (like the Catholics do), is a couple of administrators, teachers and a janitor, and accountablity to parents. That is why Charter schools are so often successful where the traditional school system has failed.

Bigtex wrote:

Charter school are so effective because parents don't want their kids going to school with street rats and illegal aliens. The same reason we moved to the suburbs in an all white neighborhood. As for Catholic schools, my wife was raised in a nun school. She can attest to the horrible education she got. I certainly agree with you about the need for smaller neighborhood schools and cutting expenses by getting rid of all the many high paying salaries in administration. I think Rush Limbaugh got it right almost 20 years ago when he said he could solve the education system by going into a school an firing anyone that didn't directly have some to do with educating children. You should see the list of almost 1000 administrative employees in Houston ISD that make over $100,000. The are over 20 that make over $200,000 and the top makes over $400,000. Anyway, cleaning up the education system is not going to be accomplished with politicians and others who have no idea how a school is run.

Funny, we have charter schools in our city that are serving exactly the kids you refer to which are getting very, very high scores.

My daughter went to a Catholic school and received an excellent education.

Re your move to the white suburbs, it appears you are uncomfortable with people who are not in your image. Is that why you ran into difficulties teaching at the mostly Hispanic school?

Bettybb wrote:

Rhode Island school system was absolutely right to fire those teachers.

Bigtex wrote:

I guess that is a matter of opinion. When parents, the media, politicians and administrations keep dumping on teachers how many people do you think are going to want to continue getting into this field.

With the present economy, and the number of highly educated middle management out of work, people with a great track record, I would think it would be fairly easy to replace teachers.

Have you considered there may be good reason why Education, Inc is getting criticized? Look at the Rhode Island teachers. Their conduct is appalling.

Bigtex wrote:

Most claim we are already not able to draw the best because of low salaries. Then people always say, Oh I wish I could get paid $40K a year and have all of those holidays. More ignorance.....no teacher gets paid for ANY day they don't work. We get holidays at OUR expense. We also have to pay for education which is required by most states to keep certified. We get very little for retirement other than what we put in ourselves. I insurance is extremely high so we don't don't get the benefit packages most professional jobs do. we have to undergo more background checks than a government employee would go through, including being finger printed and drug tested. We get arrested for anything and we lose our job. How many of our politician can say that? To make matters worse, our bosses treat us like their enemy, the public thanks we are all lazy and don't deserve to have a job, the media can't wait to get dirt on us, and politicians all think they know more than us and we get treated like uneducated idiots. I have had my certification grades and salary posted for the past 10 years in the Houston Chronicle. It won't be much longer now that we all have to be finger printed that my complete background will all appear in the Houston Chronicle. All of this and teachers can't even expect to get a cost of living pay increase each year. The public doesn't care again because they think we don't deserve to be paid. After all we all do this because we love kids right?

In my experience, if you want respect, you have to earn it. If you want the big bucks and be considered a professional, you have to excel at the job, get results and conduct yourself in a professional manner, going above and beyond the call of duty.

I have tremendous respect for our school district and the administrators and teachers at my son’s school. They have done an excellent job, in a situation where many other districts are failing.

It is high time we make Education, Inc follow private sector rules. No job security. Your pay is directly linked to your performance. You cannot dodge responsibility by blaming others; it is your job to get results not withstanding the obstacles. If the economy tanks, you take pay cuts, or get laid off, or end up having to do the job of two or three people.
Then reward the people who rise to the challenge, with top notch pay and benefits, and get rid of those that don’t.

Do you think only teachers have problem bosses?

Bigtex wrote:

Yep teachers have become Americas whipping boy. I am sure all of those Rhode Island teachers deserve to be unemployed. Now what consequences is the administration of that school district going to have to pay. It is they who developed the curriculum and told the teacher how to teach. It is they who failed the teachers and the kids. How about the state education board? Like I said, teachers are an easy target.

Yes, those teachers do deserve to be unemployed.
The school failed, both the administration and the teachers. A 50% drop out rate = total incompetence.
The Feds moved in and told the administration to make changes or else. That is what bosses do.
The Administration came out with a program of changes. They followed the bosses orders.
The teachers refused to implement the changes. They defied their bosses.
You defy your boss, you get fired.
That is how it works in the real world.


Bigtex wrote:

Soon all the free ride will be over. We will all be putting our kids in private school because no adult in their right mind will teach in a public school and put up with this type of ridicule. Like I said, thank goodness I have few years left to retirement. Unfortunately my family will have to take my pittance of a retirement savings and move to Mexico to be able to afford to live.

Teachers around here have a lot respect. Maybe in your area they are getting ridiculed because they are not doing a good job.

You do realize, of course, that many in the private sector have lost their jobs, their corporate retirement plans, and seen their private retirement funds decimated? Many would think you are very luck to have any retirement at all.

Given your negative impression of Latinos, how is the Mexican thing going to work for you?

Bigtex wrote:

Oh, I am a football coach too. I know how badly we are resented. We are the worst because we make so much more than teachers, right? However, how many times have I provided the male guidance for kids that don’t even know who their father is. Yes, I probably deserve to be fired too. Oh, wait, I was already given 2 years salary to leave a failing school. Even though at the time I taught PE. I sure was responsible for test scores wasn’t I? But some parents were sure glad to see us take all the blame for them not taking the time to step up to the plate.

You certainly live in a different universe than I do. Our football coaches were not resented, but admired. And they got paid a measly $1,200 for the season.

Obviously, I have no knowledge of why you were fired. But at my son’s school, all administrators and teachers, even PE teachers, are expected to be on the same page, in order to ensure the kids get an education. I know, because I was involved in the selection process for the football coaches; they were expected to help the kids develop skills and values that would lead to academic success. They did a fantastic job. One coach in particular did a brilliant job, the kids idolized him and would do anything, even keep their grades up, to please him. Those coaches, and the coaches in other sports, reached many kids who would have just let their education slide. In fact, sports is such a motivator for kids, especially those on the edge, that coaches can actually have far, far more influence than the actual teacher.


Bigtex wrote:

Last November we had senior night at one of our football games. All of the senior football players had their parents escort their kids on the field at half time to be honored. The kids were so proud, yet several parents didn’t have the time to show up for their own kid to feel good about this moment. What a shame! Parents like You should be there to see the hurt and tears in these kids eyes. So what do teachers and coaches do? We escort the kids onto the football field so at least they will have someone to be there with them. Yes its people like us that are getting fired and applauded by parents like YOU. I hope you rest well at night and just hope your job has more stability than mine.

It is indeed a tragedy when parents do not support their kids, whether it is because they don’t understand the need for them to be there, or they are in a high pressure job and too busy, or in a messy divorce and want to avoid any contact with the ex.

Isn’t it obvious, given my involvement in my kids’ schools, that I have been there?

I praise and support great teachers, and most I have come across fit this category.

I praise and support terminating teachers who are incompetent.

My job has far, far less stability than yours, as I am in the private sector.

And yes, I do rest very well at night.

"Bettybb" the problem with you is you are pretty quick to judge people. You have shown that by judging a group of teachers in Rhode Island that you have no real information about other that your negative opinion about teachers and the propaganda you read in the media. You rush to judge those of us who chose to get out of the inner city and live and raise our kids around those who are in our own image, as you say. Yes that means we want to get away from anyone regardless of race and colors that sell drugs, do drive bys etc. We move because we prefer to be in crime free communities and send our kids to school were gangs don't run things. Maybe you are even tab bit hypocritical since you live in San Jose which I understand was created by the great white flight you criticize.

You further rush to be judgment when you say I have a negative opinion of Hispanics and Latinos and the Mexican thing you spoke of. But once again you seem to be short on facts. Fact number one, my wife is Hispanic, yep born and raised until she was 40 years old in Buenos Aires, Argentina. We seem to get along very well and in fact, think just alike. My son is also Hispanic, he too was born in Argentina. My in laws are also Hispanic and still live in Argentina. Many of the people that live in our community are Hispanic, Chinese, Mexican, Black and every other kind you can imagine. I guess we weren't running from races or colors were we? Most of our friends are Hispanic/Mexican. Go figure? In fact, they all think the same as I do. Probably I have surround myself with likes, huh? But then what is so abnormal about that? The good people of San Jose tried to do that too. Unfortunately, with open enrollment the street rats and illegals moved in.

The problem I have is illegal aliens, Hispanic, Mexican, African, Russian Chinese or where ever. The other problem I have is parents of any race or color that raise their kids like rats. Be responsible for your kids. That’s not to hard, or don’t have them. I also have a BIG problem with those who seem to think that this country owes them something. These entitlement this society seems to think they are owed is checking America to death. We have a few doing all the work while the rest hold their hands out.. Maybe you would like to live in a communist country but my family has been there and done that and prefers to remain free. Whether you like to hear this or not, ALL of us here agree that ILLEGAL ALIENS are bleeding this country to death. At risk are our hospitals, banks, school communities and everything else you can think of. You may think it is our duty to educated these people but I think I can say that most of us here feel it is not. As far as I am concerned illegals are not welcome here and can take their tail ends back to where it is they came from to get an education. They can also take their tail ends back to where ever thy came from to get their hand outs.

That goes the same for any legal resident here from another country that wants to hold allegiance to their former country while they take hand outs from America. They fly their flags here and do everything they can to disrespect America, it's people and all of us (myself included) that have fought to give the sorry ingrates the freedoms and handout they enjoy so much.

Now since you and the rest of your judgmental critics want teachers to be held accountable like the private sector is can we expect to get 6 figure salaries, benefits packages and stock options like the private sector does? I all for this then. But then the California state budget sure can afford to pay teachers more. In fact you guys had to lay off so many teachers much of them had to come to Texas to teach. But then that is what happens when states let illegal aliens bleed the system dry. Now Texas will have to cough up the money to help bail your state out so your district can still educate illegals.

By the way Bettybb, coaches on your district are getting the shaft. I make several times what they get paid. Probably why Texas football is so big. Money does have a tendency to draw talent, even with coaches. Sure works in the private sector doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Originally Posted by April

Betty, we don't want socialist medicine here.

Betty appears to be fond of all things progressive from what she posts.

I am a Democrat. It is my understanding that Alipac is bipartisan.

On some issues I am progressive, like being against these two usless wars.
On some issues I am a middle of the roader, like being against NAFTA and illegal immigration.
On some issues I am right wing, like supporting fiscal conservatism.

I also think there is a lot more common ground between Dems and Repubs than the leadership of those parties let on. They both are fanning the flames to increase their own power.

Let's stop demonizing each other and start talking to each other.

You sure have done a great job of demonizing Rhode Island teachers, as well as teacher all over the world. Perhaps socialized eduction is more to your progressive thinking. You seem to like socialized medicine.

Originally Posted by melena29

Bettybb, third, how dare you accuse me of hateful judgment when you know nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing about me? Perhaps it is the hatred within your own soul that causes you to perceive only evil and vitriol in what see and hear. Who do you think you are to judge me?

I find it ironic that you rant about the excersizing of religious judgment, yet you pound the pulpit at me like a Baptist preacher warning of eternal damnation. What's your point? Re-read your post, and then if the shoe fits, well you go ahead and wear it.

Whether you go to hell or not is between you and your maker. Please spend your precious prayers on someone who needs them. As for me on my judgement day, that is also between me and my maker. I'll thank you to stay out of it.

WOW! There you go again judging people with no facts. More progressive thinking from a Democrat?

Originally Posted by Bettybb

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When it comes to health care, we are a third world county, because the moneyed interests have highjacked the system.
We pay more for health care than other first world countries, and get less.
Why? a 30% profit for the health care industry.

A third world health care system? Again you seem to be pretty judgmental. Maybe even a Marxist like Obama?

Bigtex wrote ;
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quote="bigtex"]"Bettybb" the problem with you is you are pretty quick to judge people. You have shown that by judging a group of teachers in Rhode Island that you have no real information about other that your negative opinion about teachers and the propaganda you read in the media. You rush to judge those of us who chose to get out of the inner city and live and raise our kids around those who are in our own image, as you say. Yes that means we want to get away from anyone regardless of race and colors that sell drugs, do drive bys etc. We move because we prefer to be in crime free communities and send our kids to school were gangs don't run things. Maybe you are even tab bit hypocritical since you live in San Jose which I understand was created by the great white flight you criticize.

No, it is you who are the one who is judgmental.

My posts have made it clear that I am very supportive of teachers, you just don't like the fact that teachers that defy their bosses can get fired.

You constantly refer to "street rats", and "those people".

You stated you didn't want your kids to go to school with the kids you refer to as "street ratsa" so moved to the rich area.

Your language gives you away.

You also presume facts that do not exist.

You are wrong. San Jose was not created by the great white flight, which I gather you are a part of.

San Jose is a majority Hispanic.

You are wrong. I live in an upscale neighborhood. I sent my son to the ghetto school, in the gang central area of town, with those you so despise and call "street rats". Almost all of these kids, you know the type you sneer at and don't want your kids to associate with, were really great kids, even from backgrounds that meant they had every disadvantage.

You are wrong to think, because of lack of parental involvement, that poor Latino kids cannot succeed.

My kid obtained an outstanding education, in a great school, but exactly the type of school you think is beyond redemption, with kids who are not worth making an effort for.

Your school district obviousy failed. The school district is suceeding. Different attitude towards the kids I guess.

You are wrong about drugs in inner city schools. In poor schools like my son's, there may be kids who sell, but very few kids who buy. They cannot afford it. They are literally, dirt poor. It is the rich schools were kids are doing drugs, because they have free time and lots of cash, and that is where the real drug problem resides.

You further rush to be judgment when you say I have a negative opinion of Hispanics and Latinos and the Mexican thing you spoke of. But once again you seem to be short on facts. Fact number one, my wife is Hispanic, yep born and raised until she was 40 years old in Buenos Aires, Argentina. We seem to get along very well and in fact, think just alike. My son is also Hispanic, he too was born in Argentina. My in laws are also Hispanic and still live in Argentina. Many of the people that live in our community are Hispanic, Chinese, Mexican, Black and every other kind you can imagine. I guess we weren't running from races or colors were we? Most of our friends are Hispanic/Mexican. Go figure? In fact, they all think the same as I do. Probably I have surround myself with likes, huh? But then what is so abnormal about that? The good people of San Jose tried to do that too. Unfortunately, with open enrollment the street rats and illegals moved in.

I must say I am glad that your negative comments have not been referring to race, as it appears. So what is your problem with the kids in inner city schools? The vast majority are decent kids. Why do you flee?

The problem I have is illegal aliens, Hispanic, Mexican, African, Russian Chinese or where ever.

I am against illegal immigration also. But I refuse to demonize illegal aliens kids whose parents brought them here illegally, or demonize the American born kids of illegal immigrants. You may not think it is worth bothering giving these kids a proper education, but I do.

The other problem I have is parents of any race or color that raise their kids like rats. Be responsible for your kids. That’s not to hard, or don’t have them.

If you have as much contact with the Latino community as you claim, you should realize that many of these families love their kids, want to do the best for them, but are so educationally backward, and have just arrived from a culture that has not trained them in how to bring up kids in a country like ours. They need help, not distain.

But that could be one reason why our school district succeeded where yours failed.

I also have a BIG problem with those who seem to think that this country owes them something. These entitlement this society seems to think they are owed is checking America to death. We have a few doing all the work while the rest hold their hands out..

Funny, but you think that teachers, who are part of a failed school, where it is so bad that 50% of the kids drop out, are "entitled" to their jobs, even when they flat out defy their bosses. Talk about an entitlement mentality.

Maybe you would like to live in a communist country but my family has been there and done that and prefers to remain free.

Why do you presume that I might want to live in a communist country?
Your comment makes no sense.

Whether you like to hear this or not, ALL of us here agree that ILLEGAL ALIENS are bleeding this country to death. At risk are our hospitals, banks, school communities and everything else you can think of. You may think it is our duty to educated these people but I think I can say that most of us here feel it is not. As far as I am concerned illegals are not welcome here and can take their tail ends back to where it is they came from to get an education. They can also take their tail ends back to where ever thy came from to get their hand outs.

Why would you say "whether you like to hear this or not"? I have repeatedly mentioned that I am opposed to illegal immigration.
Are you trying to pretend I am pro illegal immigration when it is clear from my posts that I am not? Really.

That goes the same for any legal resident here from another country that wants to hold allegiance to their former country while they take hand outs from America. They fly their flags here and do everything they can to disrespect America, it's people and all of us (myself included) that have fought to give the sorry ingrates the freedoms and handout they enjoy so much.

I too believe some people who do these things are way out of line.

Now since you and the rest of your judgmental critics want teachers to be held accountable like the private sector is can we expect to get 6 figure salaries, benefits packages and stock options like the private sector does?

1. Very few people in the private sector get 6 figure salaries, benefit packages and stock options. Those that do work extremely hard, and extremely smart to get those rewards.

2. I do believe that teachers should go to the free market system. You are for the present socialist set up teachers have. As I mention in my post, those that rise above and excel should be given the big bucks. The administrators and teachers at my son's school, who have done what others, including the school district you were in, have been unable to do, should be rewarded. Salaries at the easy to teach at rich schools should be lower, and those at the hard to teach poor schools should be higher.

I all for this then. But then the California state budget sure can afford to pay teachers more. In fact you guys had to lay off so many teachers much of them had to come to Texas to teach. But then that is what happens when states let illegal aliens bleed the system dry. Now Texas will have to cough up the money to help bail your state out so your district can still educate illegals.

No question that CA is in a fiscal mess. The cost of illegal immigration represent almost 1/2 of our deficit. However, what you seem to be saying is that in Texas it is okay to throw up you hands and say it is too hard to teach kids who don't have a nice middle class background.

By the way Bettybb, coaches on your district are getting the shaft. I make several times what they get paid. Probably why Texas football is so big. Money does have a tendency to draw talent, even with coaches. Sure works in the private sector doesn't it?

You are correct. Coaches are absolutely underpaid here. It really is more community service on their part. But there still is a huge number of people who apply for the positions.

Originally Posted by Bettybb

Originally Posted by April

Betty, we don't want socialist medicine here.

Betty appears to be fond of all things progressive from what she posts.

I am a Democrat. It is my understanding that Alipac is bipartisan.

On some issues I am progressive, like being against these two usless wars.
On some issues I am a middle of the roader, like being against NAFTA and illegal immigration.
On some issues I am right wing, like supporting fiscal conservatism.

I also think there is a lot more common ground between Dems and Repubs than the leadership of those parties let on. They both are fanning the flames to increase their own power.

Let's stop demonizing each other and start talking to each other.

Bigtex wrote:

You sure have done a great job of demonizing Rhode Island teachers, as well as teacher all over the world. Perhaps socialized eduction is more to your progressive thinking. You seem to like socialized medicine.

Read my posts. I did no such thing. You are making things up.

You are the supporter of socialism for teachers. You think teachers are "entitled" to their jobs even if incompetent, or even if they defy their bosses and refuse to do the work.

I do support socialized medicine. I have lived under it in two different countries and it was great.

Originally Posted by melena29

Bettybb, third, how dare you accuse me of hateful judgment when you know nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing about me? Perhaps it is the hatred within your own soul that causes you to perceive only evil and vitriol in what see and hear. Who do you think you are to judge me?

I find it ironic that you rant about the excersizing of religious judgment, yet you pound the pulpit at me like a Baptist preacher warning of eternal damnation. What's your point? Re-read your post, and then if the shoe fits, well you go ahead and wear it.

Whether you go to hell or not is between you and your maker. Please spend your precious prayers on someone who needs them. As for me on my judgement day, that is also between me and my maker. I'll thank you to stay out of it.

WOW! There you go again judging people with no facts. More progressive thinking from a Democrat?

Read the rest of the posts and you will find that I did no such thing, Melinda was responding to another poster thinking it was me. I pointed it out to her.

OOPs.. they you go again,, getting your facts all mixed up. Really, you should read the posts before you jump to conclusions.

Originally Posted by Bettybb

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When it comes to health care, we are a third world county, because the moneyed interests have highjacked the system.
We pay more for health care than other first world countries, and get less.
Why? a 30% profit for the health care industry.

A third world health care system? Again you seem to be pretty judgmental. Maybe even a Marxist like Obama?[/quote]

Yep, a third world health care system. I don't know the exact figure off the top of my head but we rank somewhere like 55 place in the world in health care.

Bettybb, not to much I can say to a Marxists that believes and supports socialism. You are free in America to believe as you wish, but it makes me sad that I spent 4 years in Vietnam to give YOU the freedom you enjoy today. Yes the freedom to run this country in to the ground with your beliefs. Thank goodness there are real Americans that will give their lives to keep your socialist/progressive dream from being a reality.

I also feel some pain for all the great teachers who dedicate their lives to educating America. It's negative progressives like you that think they know so much about education that make our job though. You are part of the problem. How much more teachers could get done if people like you would spend as much time doing your private sector job as you do telling us how to run school. But then you probably do the same thing at your own job. Teachers don't try to tell you how to work so I don't know what makes you feel so self righteous that you can tell us how to do ours job. You don't know near as much as you think you know and the more you talk the more foolish you come off.

I have noticed that almost every discussion you get in on this group you end up pissing someone off because you are so quick to judge. I posted just a few examples. It is starting to look obvious to me you have some agenda here and it doesn't seem to fit the one we all have. Let's face it, progressives and socialists stand against conservative ideas. We are a very conservative group here in case you haven't noticed. We are NOT in the middle riding the fence like you are. We have chosen a side and made it clear. Our view do change with the wind. I don't think you will find anyone on this forum who does feel that Taxpayers are tired of having to take care of illegal aliens and their kids. We are tired of them being in our school. We are tired of spending tax money on figuring out ways to educate them. We are also tired of progressives trying to destroy this country with their Marxist ideals.

BettyBB, not the first grandchild. Her oldest is a boy, almost five. He says he wants a little sister, but then again, he just told his 16 year old uncle he wants a brother too!lol

bigtex, the story of the homeless kid, and teachers trying to take him in. Unfortunately, by the time a child is four, most of who they are and what they believe and expect in life is set in. The damage was done long before they entered his life. They should know they did right by trying to help.

My aunt worked in a poorer area of Seattle, and she, being a single, shopped a lot. However in her shopping she scoured local thrift/resale stores, discount stores and close-out sales. There she bought all manner of sizes of clothing and shoes (coats too), and as the resource teacher, held a weekly "contest" for the hardest working kids (ones who put extra effort into their homework and reading) and these kids could pick out something from her "reward chest". This was the clothes and shoes these kids so badly needed.

This way she was providing these kids with stuff they really needed, but also used it as a means to encourage effort into their own education.

So I know there are plenty of good people out there who want to work with kids and help, she is one of them.

Sad that some kids lives are so damaged by dysfunctional parents that they cannot see something good being offered to them. You can only help those who really want help.

On that note, my brother and his wife started taking in foster children. They had a teen girl who came to them, and she was about as troubled as she could be, my sister-in-law was sure she could turn her around, however they wound up having to ask the state to place her elsewhere as she was wild and was influencing their own daughters. However, they did, in the end adopt one boy, 11. He fits right in with all of us ( he cannot get enough time with my 16 year old son, who is now one of his few male cousins) and has blossomed.

Bigtex,

If I am a marxist, then you are a fascist. You really should stop putting words into other people's mouths, misrepresenting people's positions, (it's intellectually dishonest) and name calling.

It is people in our educational system who feel "entitled", resist any change, make excuses for terrible job performance, and basically demand the state give them a job for life, with no aco****ability, and who are failing our children, who are the real problem.

Here you are, a teacher who worked in an inner city school, mostly Hispanic, a school that was designated by the educational authorities as failing. A school has to be really, really bad to get that designation. You were fired. You blame the non involvement of the parents for the school's terrible performance.

Yet, here I come along, with a kid who went in a district with the same demographics, and facing the same problems, but the district is succeeding, even with non involved parents!

Do you know what I find most telling? In all your posts, not once did you ask how on earth my school district is doing it. You have a total lack of interest in what, to your way of thinking, must be an educational miracle.

And isn't this ironic.

You, a conservative, presumably a Republicanm, are working in the socialist pubilc education system, are anti free market, anti accountability, and pro entitlement when it comes to education.

I am a Democrat, champion the free market sysetm, work in the capitalist free market economy, am pro accountablity and anti entitlement when it comes to education!

But it is obvious we are never going to see eye to eye on this, and will have to agree to disagree.

Bettybb

P.S. I also note you failed to mentioned the nice comments I have received from posters. The only person I seemed to have ticked off is you, just because I don't agree with your blame everone else philosophy.

PPS. Conservaties are a small percentage of our population. Whether you like it or not, if there is to be any hope of beating back the open borders, pro illegal immigration crowd, it is going to take Democrats, Republicans and Independents working together.

PPS. Conservaties are a small percentage of our population.

Do you have any back up for your statement?

You are being a little quick to judge bigtex. I commend him. He does not have an easy job! I was the Mom who was always involved in the schools by being in PTO and always helping out. Then I became a para(teachers aide). What an eye opener! Unless you have worked in the schools you really have no idea as to what is really going on.

Bettybb wrote:

PPS. Conservaties are a small percentage of our population.

Like Mayday, I too what like to know how you arrived at your conclusion.

MW, Mayday


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We cannot even hope to block open borders and amnesty, unless Dems, Repubs and Independents work together. We need those Dem Senators and Congressmen.

The fact is politicians, of both parties, have brainwashed their supporters to demonize the other side. Divide and conquer. It is working.

Did you read about Schwarzenegger on TV claiming he is tough on illegal immigration, and claiming E Verify does not work. That is the latest tactic... let the American born children of illegals sponsor their parents in legally (waiting their turn in line along with legal immigrants, but of course, being allowed to live here, unlike people coming here legally)...the make sure E Verify is not mandatory.. so the illegal parents can continue to work here. Also give amnesty to the illegal alien children because it was not their fault.. so they can sponsor in their parents.

I am starting to see a campaign brewing. Of course, they fail to mention their aim is amnesty for all....

The con is on.