Thread: Sometimes...

We too own the John Adams DVD series, excellent excellent. And I want to add a young person recommended it to us.

Also The Real George Washington is great, he is my hero. Hard to find heroes anymore.

hardlineconstitutionalist wrote:

Ron has said that the fence will not fix the problems...and he is right! this is a problem inside our borders... I hate when he is miss quoted...

It doesn't take a genius to know that there is no one fix for our illegal alien problem. However, a quality double-layered fence with a high speed road between layers would help. The double-layered fence in San Diego has proven this. Don't mistake the virtual fence, vehicle barriers, and single fencing the government is passing off on us as a quality barrier to illegal crossers. We need the double-layered version that was called for the the Secure Fence Act of 2006!

For the record, I did not miss quote Ron Paul! His exact words during a 20/20 interview with John Stossel were - "I don't think the fence can solve a problem. I find it rather offensive."

Furthermore, it is a fact that he has voted for amnesty in the past. The proof of what I've said is verifiable:

Excerpt:

(1) Paul consistently voted every year since 1999 against putting the military on the border:

2006: H. Amdt. 206 to H.R. 1815
2004: Goode Amendment to H.R. 4200
2003: Goode Amendment to H.R. 1588
2002: H. Amdt. 479 to H.R. 4546
2001: Traficant amendment to HR 2586
2000: Traficant amendment to H.R.4205
1999: Trafficant Amendment to H.R. 1401.


(2) Paul voted in 1997, 2001( H.R. 1885) and 2002 (H RES 365) to grant, extend or continue Section 245-i amnesties for illegal aliens.

(3) Paul voted NO on extending the voluntary Basic Pilot Workplace Verification Program (H.R. 2359),

(4) Paul voted NO on the border fence in 2005 (Hunter Amendment to HR 4437 - "Enforcement Only" Bill).

(5) Paul voted YES to increase H2-B (HR 763 in 2005) and H-1B visas (HR 3736 in 199. In 1998, he voted to allow US firms to lay off Americans to replace them with foreigners.

http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=11832

Now, exactly where did I miss quote or report false facts on Paul?

Ron Paul may not be the worst on the issues of border security and illegal immigration, he's far from the best (IMO). The mans armor does have some serious chinks.

Look at Kathyyet's post above, she answered it, hardlineconstitutionalist.

Originally Posted by JohnnyYuma

They both died at the same time, the same day, the same year on July 4th. That is weird.

Except that Jefferson passed about 9 hours before Adams. Two very brilliant men the likes of which may never be seen again in America. At least in the public forum.

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

I have one question about the film though. Do they refer to the new nation as a Republic or a Democracy?

I want to know too!

A "Republic"

Kathyet

Originally Posted by kathyet

Originally Posted by hardlineconstitutionalist

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

I have one question about the film though. Do they refer to the new nation as a Republic or a Democracy?

I want to know too!

A "Republic"

Kathyet

I figured...I hope we get one back again...

Thomas Jefferson quotes:
We are not to expect to be translated from despotism to liberty in a feather bed.

I am not attempting to start a problem about Ron Paul here. I can only go by what I have studied. It is really hard to go back and study every vote and reason for the votes posted above. Often times it is something in the bill that will make a constituent baulk at a bill. The "for other purposes" in each one would make me vote no on all of them. I think this is a horrible practice and should be stopped.

I can only reiterate that I have watched many videos where I believe Ron to be on point that a fence will not fix the problem. I don't think he has said that we should not secure our borders (but I could be wrong). Like you say...it does not take a genius to understand there is not one fix...and he is just making the point. It is an internal problem. A government inaction to protect as law dictates that has created the problem is the number one reason. IMHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bJ7LRjRySw

I did try to research one point just for fun and came up with this on the 2005 HR 4437. I do see he did vote yes for it but found some kind of objection with amendments.

I try really hard to not take things personally when it comes to politics because there is so much disinformation out there. I do know that Ron really gets more than his share.

House Roll #661
Dec 16, 2005 10:33 PM Aye On Passage - House - H.R. 4437 Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act
Passed 239-182, 13 not voting
House Roll #660
Dec 16, 2005 10:24 PM No On Motion to Recommit with Instructions: H.R. 4437 Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act
Failed 198-221, 14 not voting
House Roll #659
Dec 16, 2005 9:55 PM Aye Amendment 30 to H.R. 4437
Failed 163-251, 19 not voting
House Roll #658
Dec 16, 2005 9:47 PM No Amendment 28 to H.R. 4437
Failed 87-332, 14 not voting
House Roll #657
Dec 16, 2005 9:38 PM Aye Amendment 27 to H.R. 4437
Agreed to 247-170, 16 not voting
House Roll #656
Dec 16, 2005 7:34 PM Aye Amendment 21 to H.R. 4437
Agreed to 237-180, 16 not voting
House Roll #655
Dec 16, 2005 7:26 PM Aye Amendment 19 to H.R. 4437
Failed 164-257, 12 not voting
House Roll #654
Dec 16, 2005 7:16 PM Aye Amendment 18 to H.R. 4437
Agreed to 420-0, 13 not voting
House Roll #653
Dec 16, 2005 7:08 PM Aye Amendment 13 to H.R. 4437
Agreed to 273-148, 12 not voting

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.x ... mmigration