Thread: The Ted Cruz’s Establishment friendly tax plan

Originally Posted by Judy

That was in 1798, before our country was formed with our existing Constitution. Our first Congress was in 1789. Our Constitution wasn't ratified until 1791.

Judy,

What on earth are you talking about?

Our Constitution became legally effective on March 4, 1789. However, the ninth State NH ratified it on

on June 21, 1788, making it binding on the States who ratified it.

The fact is, the direct tax was used a number of times as I have previously documented for you.

The first direct tax was approve July 16th, 1798.

JWK

Originally Posted by johnwk

Judy,

What on earth are you talking about?

Our Constitution became legally effective on March 4, 1789. However, the ninth State NH ratified it on

on June 21, 1788, making it binding on the States who ratified it.

The fact is, the direct tax was used a number of times as I have previously documented for you.

The first direct tax was approve July 16th, 1798.

JWK

I'm so sorry, JohnWK. I'm using the date the whole Constitution with the Bill of Rights was signed and ratified.

So you are correct and I stand corrected. From a quick review of those uses, they weren't used as a general tax regular revenue source, it appears they were used in short-term situations. Is that correct? Perhaps in those situations it was necessary, I don't know. I've never known it to be used as a general day to day year to year source of revenue even by the Founders. Is that right?

Question, how long did the collection on slaves persist? Was that a dictate from the federal government or a plan arranged by the States to come up with their payment on the apportionment assessment?

Again, I'm a Republican who like many are completely opposed to mandated taxes like income, property, inventory, personal property, all of that. Those are forms of communism and tyranny. Everyone knows that. The issue is whether we as a people can figure out a plan that actually conforms with our ideals of liberty, personal freedom, privacy as well as liberty and freedom in our work and business activities that pays the bills.

For me, the best plan ever presented to the American People to date is the FairTax because it's easy, efficient and voluntary exactly like the general tax plan of the Founders under the US Constitution where general taxes were tariffs, imposts, duties and excise taxes on goods and services which is all a retail sales tax is, exactly like what the Founders had in mind.

FairTax Act of 2015: HR 25 in the US House of Representatives and S 155 in the US Senate.

Getting back to the subject of the thread, Cruz's tax plan circumvents the rule of apportionment! The very purpose of the rule of apportionment was to guarantee equal taxation whenever Congress taxed the people or their property directly!

Socialists and the friends of big government hate the rule of apportionment when it comes to taxation but love the rule [one man one vote] part of our Constitution when getting their representation in Congress.

Cruz promotes a socialist system of taxation where the most productive are taxed more, but are not afforded the rule of apportionment [one dollar one vote] in Congress relative to their financial contribution. And this is also true of Donald Trump, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, and John Kasich ___ they all want to circumvent the rule of apportionment as applied to taxation which is a rule intended to control and regulate Congress' actions and insure each State's financial contribution is proportionately equal to its representation in Congress.


JWK




Let us not forget this coming election the betrayal by House Republicans and Senate Republicans who voted in favor of Paul Ryan’s Bill to finance Obama’s invasion of our borders!

Every American who wants to live their life free of forced federal taxation needs to support the FairTax and demand its passage. It's easy, it's efficient and it's voluntary. It's a sales tax on new goods and services. Any citizen or legal resident can sign up for a Rebate to offset the cost of FairTaxes on essentials up to the Household Consumption Allowance whether you actually spend it that month or not, you receive it in advance on the 1st of the month. The Rebate is also voluntary. You don't have to sign up for it if you don't want to.

You pay the FairTax on new goods and services, not used items, not existing homes that have been sold at least once, not used cars, not used appliances, not used garments or toys or equipment or anything else. Just brand new retail goods and services, not business to business transaction, just retail final point of sale items and services.

I am unanimous and stedfast on this.

Originally Posted by Judy

Every American who wants to live their life free of forced federal taxation needs to support the FairTax .

Getting back to the subject of the thread, Cruz's tax plan circumvents the rule of apportionment! The very purpose of the rule of apportionment was to guarantee equal taxation whenever Congress taxed the people or their property directly!

Socialists and the friends of big government hate the rule of apportionment when it comes to taxation but love the rule [one man one vote] part of our Constitution when getting their representation in Congress.

Cruz promotes a socialist system of taxation where the most productive are taxed more, but are not afforded the rule of apportionment [one dollar one vote] in Congress relative to their financial contribution. And this is also true of Donald Trump, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, and John Kasich ___ they all want to circumvent the rule of apportionment as applied to taxation which is a rule intended to control and regulate Congress' actions and insure each State's financial contribution is proportionately equal to its representation in Congress.


JWK




Let us not forget this coming election the betrayal by House Republicans and Senate Republicans who voted in favor of Paul Ryan’s Bill to finance Obama’s invasion of our borders!

Seems to me each of our leading candidates [Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, and John Kasich] correctly tell us how awful our current system of taxation is, and then try to con us into "tax reform" which keeps alive the worm at the root of the tree which is the socialist friendly tax calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes.

The fact is, until Congress' power to lay and collect taxes calculated from "incomes" is withdrawn from its powers, the American people __ labor,businesses and investors’ __ will continue to suffer the countless abuses and miseries they now suffer under this notoriously evil system of taxation.

Similarly, until the words "THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE" are removed from Federal Reserve Notes, and our freemarket system allows the people to once again determine which notes are safe and proper to accept in payment of debt, the real wealth created by America's labor, businesses and investors will be plunder by those who have given us our current corruptible money and taxing systems which are used in tandem to steal and plunder the real material wealth which America's labor, businesses and investors have worked to create!


JWK


"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their forefathers conquered." ___ Author unknown

That's why I support the FairTax, Johnwk and wish you did!

FairTax Act of 2015: HR 25 in the US House of Representatives and S 155 in the US Senate.