Quote Originally Posted by ReformUSA2012 View Post
Who said anything about needing to do any of that? What do you think will happen when we simply remove all the incentives? How can most of these illegal aliens survive in the US without those incentives?

1. No jobs, any employer hiring illegal aliens will lose their business license and jail time. Mandatory E-Verify and E-Verify fully tied into the SSA system checking on multiple use of the same SSN, minor SSN use, and elderly over 70 SSN use for checks.
2. No automatic citizenship for children of illegal aliens and tourists. And yes this can be done through Congress or even an Executive Order w/o amending the Constitution by interpreting intent of the 14th Amendment. The SCOTUS wouldn't even have authority to challenge Congress on that matter.
3. Removal of all education for children of illegal aliens citing the very ruling that gave illegal alien children free education as having a significant financial impact and thus a detrimental effect on the quality of education for citizens.
4. Removing ALL welfare type benefits for illegal aliens and their children.
5. Making it a misdemeanor to felony to transport or even rent to illegal aliens.
6. Ban all states from giving any form of ID to illegal aliens and banning the use of Mexican Matricular cards as a form of acceptable ID.
7. Mandate police to check the immigration status of any potential illegal alien and notify ICE.
8. Allow the local police to confiscate all monies and goods of illegal aliens as proceeds of a crime.

The US would become so inhospitable towards illegal aliens most would pack up and leave on their own. Out of the supposed 12 million (more like 20-30 million) likely 90-95% would voluntarily leave. They could even allow a 6 month grace period from a specific period won't face a 3yr, 10 yr, or perm ban which would allow *family reunification* assuming someone meets the normal criteria and has no criminal record.

Its nonsense to talk about how we need to round them all up. Most of them come specifically because of the benefits we give them. Remove those benefits and the US isn't such a friendly place for an illegal alien anymore. Further much of it could likely be paid for through major fines and even business confiscation of employers of illegal aliens. That business that thrives on hiring an illegal alien staff rather then legal workers can be closed down and have all assets seized by law as proceeds of a crime.
You have misunderstood the conversation or failed to read the entire thread. I never said you had to do those things, but I did say that is what it would take to deport 20-30 million illegals in two years are less.

As for the rest of your post, I agree with you 100% and have made the same comment on here before. Of course those things you list, as I've said before, will work, but they won't work in two years or less. Unfortunately it's a process that will probably take at least one, maybe two, presidential terms to get where we need to be. Cruz's plan will do that and I'm sure Trump can make it happen in that amount of time too, but neither can make it happen in two years or less. This is not a quick fix problem and nobody is going to wave a magic wand and make it happen overnight. It's a process, a process that will take most of the things you suggested and maybe more.

Furthermore, I believe in attrition through enforcement. We start enforcing our immigration laws like they're supposed to be enforced and we'll see things start to turn in the right direction quickly, however, we unfortunately won't see the departure of 20-30 million illegals in two years or less. That will probably take 4-8 years (IMO).