Thread: Transportation bill c-span NOW

Originally Posted by tinybobidaho

Hey, SOSAD, glad you could join us. Another victory! Now if the bill passes we're all set. I think because of the amount of votes, this one may be veto proof. I wouldn't put it past this President to let the trucks keep rolling, anyway. He hasn't listened to Congress so far.

Hi Tiny, thanks!! guess we will have to start watching for Mexican license plates, what I want to know is when does this take affect and when do these trucks already here get off of our highways!!

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

Originally Posted by sturmruger

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

WELCOME TO ALIPAC "Sturmruger" and thanks for getting involved!!
The one who surprises me is Burr...

Burr voted yea to consider the amnesty bill then voted against it. I sent him an email.

Thanks for the correction if you e-mailed him you must remember right and I must have his first vote for cloture mixed up in my mind. I know 18 people changed their vote, in the end.

After looking through all the stuff the senate has voted on this year I'm not even sure if this is the correct cloture vote: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00228
However the names look familiar!

Seething emails sent to both Cornyn and Hutchinson. I apologize for their behavior. Trust me, Texas is embarassed of the both of them.

Originally Posted by sturmruger

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

Originally Posted by sturmruger

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

WELCOME TO ALIPAC "Sturmruger" and thanks for getting involved!!
The one who surprises me is Burr...

Burr voted yea to consider the amnesty bill then voted against it. I sent him an email.

Thanks for the correction if you e-mailed him you must remember right and I must have his first vote for cloture mixed up in my mind. I know 18 people changed their vote, in the end.

After looking through all the stuff the senate has voted on this year I'm not even sure if this is the correct cloture vote: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=1&vote=00228
However the names look familiar!

That was for 6/26 This one is for 6/28

ote Summary
• Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on S.1639)
• Vote Number: 235
• Vote Date: June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM
• Required For Majority: 3/5
• Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
• Amendment Number: S. 1639
• Statement of Purpose: A bill to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes.

Vote Counts
YEAs: 46
NAYs: 53
Not Voting: 1

Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Alexander (R-TN), Nay
Allard (R-CO), Nay
Barrasso (R-WY), Nay
Baucus (D-MT), Nay
Bayh (D-IN), Nay
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Nay
Bunning (R-KY), Nay
Burr (R-NC), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Cardin (D-MD), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Nay
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Nay
Cochran (R-MS), Nay
Coleman (R-MN), Nay
Collins (R-ME), Nay
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Nay
Cornyn (R-TX), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Nay
Domenici (R-NM), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Nay
Enzi (R-WY), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Nay
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Nay
Hutchison (R-TX), Nay
Inhofe (R-OK), Nay
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Nay
Johnson (D-SD), Not Voting
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Nay
McConnell (R-KY), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Nay
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Nay
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Nay
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Sessions (R-AL), Nay
Shelby (R-AL), Nay
Smith (R-OR), Nay
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Nay
Sununu (R-NH), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Nay
Vitter (R-LA), Nay
Voinovich (R-OH), Nay
Warner (R-VA), Nay
Webb (D-VA), Nay
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea

From 'Yes' to 'No'
Cloture on the immigration bill failed 46-53.

Notably 16 Democrats voted against it and 18 Senators switched their votes from Tuesday's approved cloture.

SENATORS SWITCHING (12 Republicans, 6 Democrats)

• Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-New Mexico
• Sen. Christopher Bond, R-Misouri
• Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio
• Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kansas
• Sen. Richard Burr, R-North Carolina
• Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minnesota
• Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine
• Sen. Pete Domenici, R-New Mexico
• Sen. John Ensign, R-Nevada
• Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa
• Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky
• Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska
• Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
• Sen. Mark Pryor, D-Arkansas
• Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska
• Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio
• Sen. John Warner, R-Virginia
• Sen. James Webb, D-Virginia

I'm just thankful the bill failed

PhredE,

It is interesting that the Dems are against this. Maybe that because some Republicas are for it.

Dixie

Hey Dix,

Yeah, it's a kind of unexpected twist to be sure.
I was thinking about this, and could come up with a couple of reasons for the vote breakdown (all is IMHO of course, take it for what it's worth [not much probably.]).

1. The Dems voted totally as a block. - it could be a 'ribbing' to the Repubs - especially Boosh. I don't know if they had time to discuss this at great length, but I wonder if they had voted this way in a planned manner.
I think also some of the Dems have taken a lot of heat over not being strongly against things like Free Trade Agreements and protecting American jobs. I think this is the argument that most of them felt they could get behind and support.

2. It could also be that they were more sympathetic to the groups lobbying against the Demo program. We know that the Teamsters, Sierra Club, and people in our types of groups (ALIPAC, NumbersUSA, etc) also provided a lot of feedback in recent months on it. I'd like to believe that our groups were the deciding factor, but that is really unknown at this point.

3. It might be an over estimation of the impact, but I think the timing of the big truck accident/explosion in Mexico also proved to be a factor. The relationship between potential danger-actual problems was sort of 'in your face' to see.

4. (Other - unknown or unknow-able factors as well... - alignment of the planets perhaps?)

Evidently the trucks can keep moving for now as the teamsters still has to go to court and fight the law suit. Since this bill is funding bill for 2008 I guess they are aloud to stay on the road until the law suit is over or 2008, ehh!

Just read that on teamsters web site, and they praised congress doing this for Americans!

Hi SOSAD. Thanks for the info.

Re:

Since this bill is funding bill for 2008 I guess they are aloud to stay on the road until the law suit is over or 2008, ehh!

Just a reminder, that for the Feds everything runs on the FY (Fiscal Year) - and all the current Fed employees are invited to give me a reality check here if necessary - that FY2008 would begin Oct 1 (?) of this year, yes?

The sooner they get these trucks off the roads, the better. Let's hope it starts in October.

Originally Posted by PhredE

Hi SOSAD. Thanks for the info.

Re:

Since this bill is funding bill for 2008 I guess they are aloud to stay on the road until the law suit is over or 2008, ehh!

Just a reminder, that for the Feds everything runs on the FY (Fiscal Year) - and all the current Fed employees are invited to give me a reality check here if necessary - that FY2008 would begin Oct 1 (?) of this year, yes?

Hi there Phred, AH good point, I'm not postitive but I think you are right. AH, here we go!! from teamsters article.

The amendment passed by the Senate Tuesday night is contained in a funding bill for transportation projects in fiscal year 2008, which begins in October.

The Teamsters have long fought against the cross-border trucking program. On August 30, a federal judge denied the Teamsters' motion for an emergency injunction to halt the program while its lawsuit is being argued.

The Teamsters' brief in the case is due on Nov. 19 before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. The government's brief is due Dec. 17.

"Since Congress has only blocked funding for a year, the Teamsters will continue the fight against this unwise, unsafe program," Hoffa said.

So it would be smart to keep tracking this!!