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03-06-2016, 12:22 AM #1
Fact-checking Donald Trump's claims about Trump University
By Jon Greenberg on Sunday, February 28th, 2016 at 6:42 p.m.
Republican frontrunner Donald Trump’s challengers have called him many things; add to that list the charge from Florida Sen. Marco Rubio that Trump is a con man. Rubio's recent attacks have focused on allegations of false marketing by Trump University.
It wasn’t a real university -- and had to change its name to Trump Entrepreneur Institute because of that. It was largely a seminar program that promised to teach its students the real estate secrets that turned Trump into a billionaire. With some participants paying as much as $35,000, the project drew investigations and lawsuits in at least three states.
The university registered as a private company in New York in October 2004 and largely shut down by 2011. When NBC host Chuck Todd raised issues with the university, Trump defended the program, noting that nearly all the students thought it was "great."
"They signed these documents saying, they rated the course, 98 percent approval rating and high marks," Trump said on Meet the Press on Feb. 28, 2016. And he added, "We have an A from the Better Business Bureau.
We went to the Better Business Bureau website and saw that as of today, the Trump Entrepreneur Institute has no rating. The website explained, "This business has no rating because BBB has information indicating it is out of business."
Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told us, "When the school was operational it was rated A."
We asked Hicks to document that rating and didn’t hear back.
Katherine Hutt, director of communications for the Council of Better Business Bureaus, said that as a matter of policy, they don’t provide any ratings from previous years.But the organization issued a statement that "Over the years, the company’s BBB rating has fluctuated between an A+ and a D-."
We don’t know when the bureau might have given Trump University a top grade, but based on the Internet Archive, the last time the Better Business Bureau gave the university any rating at all was 2010, when it give it a D-minus. That assessment showed up in plenty of news articles.
That year, the New York Daily News reported that "the Better Business Bureau in January slapped a D-minus rating on Trump U., a rating now under review after Trump U. objected."
CBS News said the same thing in an April 21, 2010, article.
And in May, 2011, the New York Times wrote "The Better Business Bureau gave the school a D-minus for 2010, its second-lowest grade, after receiving 23 complaints."
The Washington Post had the same information in May 2011 when it reported that the New York State Attorney General was investigating the Trump Entrepreneur Institute. The Attorney General’s Office did file charges but stumbled on the grounds that the statute of limitations had passed. The matter is under appeal.
Under the new name Trump Entrepreneur Initiative, ratings ranged from C to B between 2012 and 2014. We found no ratings at all for the past two years.
Our ruling
Trump said about his entrepreneur institute that "we have an ‘A’ from the Better Business Bureau." Literally speaking, that is inaccurate. The Better Business Bureau gives the program no rating today because it’s no longer a going concern.
Trump University had an A at some point. The Better Business Bureau doesn't release details of its past ratings, but it did say Trump's program had ratings that ranged from A+ to D-.
What we do know, from several published reports and archived Web pages, is that the university had a D in 2010 and under its new name, had ratings ranging from C to B, with no ratings after March 2014.
Trump’s claim is literally wrong and also ignores the university’s lower Better Business Bureau scores. We rate it False.
Update: This fact-check was updated on Feb. 29 to include information from the Internet Archive and on March 3 to add information about the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...out-trump-uni/
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03-06-2016, 12:46 AM #2
Trump Academy ?
The original name was TRUMP UNIVERSITY
@ Trump University lawsuit closer to trial
AND THEN IT Became
The Trump Entrepreneur Initiative
because the New York State Department of Education sent him a letter:
“Use of the word ‘university’ by your corporation is misleading and violates New York Education Law and the Rules of the Board of Regents.”
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03-06-2016, 01:15 PM #3Senior Member
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Time will tell what the details are. Myself, I do not hold one or two bad business deals amongst THOUSANDS that are successful against him. Launching & adding your brands to as many items as he has can have some drawbacks, loss of control to other partners for one. Maybe it didn't turn out how he initially thought it would once it was handled by others. He has a vodka & a wine from a Virginia winery and he does drink alcohol. The wine is quite good and from a local east coast vineyard he bought.
What I am against is cruz being defeated by hillary which would be the scenario if cruz is the nominee. He does not stand a chance nationally, most staunch conservatives do not & the democratic party has more voters. Trump has truck loads of democrats ready to vote for him - cruz does not. His wife being a 5yr CFR member, authoring a report on the North American Community, an open border concept becoming a reality, (perfect fit a latino from Canada) along with his backing by big gas & oil are more inline with the corporate take over of the USA and all its consequences.
Off topic but to example, refer to the two links below and remember if you keep nit picking at the candidate that HAS the best chance of beating hillary, you will have her in the WH with her rapist husband and all her amnesties, refugees, muslims, self serving accumulation of wealth at our expense.
We would NOT be hearing ANY discussion of closing our borders if it were not for Mr Trump. No human being is perfect.
Moderators need to stop with the gotchas & causing bickering. What are the plans for Keystone XL pipeline from these candidates among many other topics they should be asking to better inform us?
Keystone will try again once O is out of office. There are pages & pages of eminent domain land ready to be taken from us for this Canadian project with pipes that could break at anytime. Trump is a businessman, cruz in an oil lover - I would like to know because I could just not vote AGAIN if they are for it. Certainly could not pull the lever for hillary.
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03-08-2016, 03:57 PM #4
BBB Explains D-Minus Grade for Trump University
- By MEGHAN KENEALLY
Mar 8, 2016, 2:23 PM ET
Bebeto Matthews/AP Photo
WATCH Better Business Bureau Clarifies Trump University Rating
Donald Trump's now-defunct university received multiple complaints from students, resulting at one point in a "D-minus" grade from the Better Business Bureau, a business ratings agency, said today.
Trump University has been a pointed source of contention during the 2016 presidential race, and the nonprofit BBB is now clarifying its grading of the online education company after Donald Trump’s assertions that the program has an “A” rating from the BBB.
"During the period when Trump University appeared to be active in the marketplace, BBB received multiple customer complaints about this business,” the New York area BBB and its national headquarters said in a statement released today. "These complaints affected the Trump University BBB rating, which was as low as D- in 2010," the statement said.
"As the company appeared to be winding down, after 2013, no new complaints were reported. Complaints over three years old automatically rolled off of the Business Review, according to BBB policy. As a result, over time, Trump University’s BBB rating went to an A in July 2014 and then to an A+ in January 2015.”
The Controversy Surrounding Trump University
Donald Trump has been saying in his front-running GOP presidential campaign that Trump University, which was later renamed Trump Entrepreneur Initiative, has an "A" grade from the BBB.
"We have an "A" from the Better Business Bureau. People like it," Trump said during the Republican presidential debate last week.
But the BBB noted today that the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative "does not currently have an A rating."
"The BBB Business Review for this company has continually been 'No Rating' since September 2015.
Prior to that, it fluctuated between D- and A+," the statement said.
Trump’s education company, which effectively ceased operations sometime after 2010, is the subject of three active lawsuits, including one by the New York State Attorney General seeking $40 million in damages for people who were affected by the program.
New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman launched an investigation into the program in 2011, and filed the lawsuit against it and Trump in 2013, accusing the now-defunct school of "engaging in specific fraudulent, deceptive and illegal acts."
In court papers, Trump has called any claims of fraud patently false and unsubstantiated.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bbb-e...ry?id=37491525
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11-18-2016, 10:43 PM #5
Trump University had an A rating when it was rated after they filled out their forms. You don't rate closed companies. Trump was telling the truth and the media was lying as was Rubio. BBB can be helpful but it can also be deceiving if you are comparing an apple to an orange, such as an active business many years ago versus a closed business now. It's stunning how truly ignorant of business and business matters so many politicians and corrupt media are. Shocking really given the power they over what people think and believe.
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11-18-2016, 11:07 PM #6
BBB Explains D-Minus Grade for Trump University
- By MEGHAN KENEALLY
Mar 8, 2016, 2:23 PM ET
Bebeto Matthews/AP PhotoWATCH Better Business Bureau Clarifies Trump University Rating
Donald Trump's now-defunct university received multiple complaints from students, resulting at one point in a "D-minus" grade from the Better Business Bureau, a business ratings agency, said today.
Trump University has been a pointed source of contention during the 2016 presidential race, and the nonprofit BBB is now clarifying its grading of the online education company after Donald Trump’s assertions that the program has an “A” rating from the BBB.
"During the period when Trump University appeared to be active in the marketplace, BBB received multiple customer complaints about this business,” the New York area BBB and its national headquarters said in a statement released today. "These complaints affected the Trump University BBB rating, which was as low as D- in 2010," the statement said.
"As the company appeared to be winding down, after 2013, no new complaints were reported. Complaints over three years old automatically rolled off of the Business Review, according to BBB policy. As a result, over time, Trump University’s BBB rating went to an A in July 2014 and then to an A+ in January 2015.”
The Controversy Surrounding Trump University
Donald Trump has been saying in his front-running GOP presidential campaign that Trump University, which was later renamed Trump Entrepreneur Initiative, has an "A" grade from the BBB.
"We have an "A" from the Better Business Bureau. People like it," Trump said during the Republican presidential debate last week.
But the BBB noted today that the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative "does not currently have an A rating."
"The BBB Business Review for this company has continually been 'No Rating' since September 2015.
Prior to that, it fluctuated between D- and A+," the statement said.
Trump’s education company, which effectively ceased operations sometime after 2010, is the subject of three active lawsuits, including one by the New York State Attorney General seeking $40 million in damages for people who were affected by the program.
New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman launched an investigation into the program in 2011, and filed the lawsuit against it and Trump in 2013, accusing the now-defunct school of "engaging in specific fraudulent, deceptive and illegal acts."
In court papers, Trump has called any claims of fraud patently false and unsubstantiated.
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11-18-2016, 11:15 PM #7
That's because Trump didn't fill out the paperwork to dispute the complaints at BBB. BBB goes with the complaint unless you fill out paperwork to dispute it and it holds up under their review process, that is the paperwork Trump is talking about.
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