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    Trump: Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

    Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

    Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

    On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
    On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
    On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
    Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
    Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
    Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

    Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.

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    Donald Trump Releases Plan to Make Mexico Pay for Border Wall

    by ALEX SWOYER
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    GOP frontrunner Donald Trump explains how he plans to force Mexico to pay for his proposed border wall in a two-page memo to The Washington Post.

    “In the memo, Trump said he would threaten to change a rule under the USA Patriot Act antiterrorism law to cut off a portion of the funds sent to Mexico through money transfers, commonly known as remittances,” the Post reports. “The threat would be withdrawn if Mexico made ‘a one-time payment of $5-10 billion’ to pay for the border wall, he wrote.”

    “It’s an easy decision for Mexico,” Trump states in the memo.

    According to the Post, Mexicans living outside their home country sent roughly $25 billion home in 2015. Trump writes in the memo that “the majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens.” However, the Post notes the $25 billion includes cash from all over the world – not solely from the United States.

    Economists told the Post that this flow of cash is vital for the Mexican economy.

    The memo also suggests increased trade tariffs, visa cancelations and increasing border-crossing card fees could help aid in the plan to make Mexico pay for the wall.

    Trump has predicted the border wall would cost roughly $8 billion.

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    By ASSOCIATED PRESS and DAVID MARTOSKO, US POLITICAL EDITOR FOR DAILYMAIL.COM IN MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN PUBLISHED: 17:02 GMT, 5 April 2016 | UPDATED: 18:59 GMT, 5 April 2016

    Trump finally explains that he'll get Mexico to pay for his wall by banning money transfers from immigrants to their homeland – as Obama says 'good luck with that'

    Donald Trump circulated a memo on Tuesday outlining a plan to force the Mexican government to pay for the border wall he has proposed

    It calls for forbidding money transfers to Mexico – the 'remittances' that illegal immigrants routinely send back home

    If the Mexican government pays for the wall, Trump says, the proposed change in US regulations will never go into effect

    Trump's plan uses a provision of the USA Patriot Act to clamp down on funds transferred out of the United States

    President Obama immediately called the idea 'half-baked' and said: 'Good luck with that!'


    Read more: Donald Trump finally explains how he'll get Mexico to pay for his wall | Daily Mail Online

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    Obama Blasts Donald Trump’s ‘Half-Baked’ Proposal to Pay for Border Wall



    by CHARLIE SPIERING
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    President Obama was taken aback by a question about Donald Trump.

    “Oh no,” he replied when ABC News reporter Mary Bruce asked him about Trump’s foreign policy. Obama had been discussing corporate tax loopholes.

    In his answer, the president specifically focused on Trump’s proposal to block billions of dollars in remittances sent by immigrants to Mexico unless the country helped pay for a wall securing the Southern border.

    “The implications with respect to ending remittances, many of which are from illegal immigrants and have individuals who are sending money back to their families, are enormous,” Obama said, calling the proposal “impractical.”

    “The notion that we are going to track every Western Union, you know, bit of money that’s sent to Mexico, you know, good luck with that,” he shot back.

    Obama warned that if the Mexican economy collapsed as a result of a payment blockade, more immigrants would likely flood into the United States.

    “This is just one more example of something that is not thought through and is primarily put forward for political consumption,” Obama said, referring to Trump. He warned that serious problems faced the world who looked to the United States to successfully tackle them.

    “They don’t expect half-baked notions coming out of the White House,” he said. “We can’t afford that. All right?”

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    Trump's 1st day in office...cut off ALL aid to Mexico and Central America. Use the money to dig a deep ditch and build an enormous wall on the top of the hill of that ditch.

    Our troops built the Alaska Highway in less than 9 months...they can build a wall.

    Cut off all taxpayer funded freebies to non-citizens and no non-citizen shall be able to collect ANY benefits on behalf of a legal citizen whether it is a minor or otherwise.

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    It's news times so if you all don't have the Tube on, click it on and watch all these "conservatives" explaining why the US can't stop remittances to Mexico being sent by illegal aliens like Trump has proposed. CNN, Fox News and MSNBC. All idiots talking out of both sides of their mouths. The "conservative" pundits and leaders are not representing your views on immigration and trade. They aren't and these are the same people behind the STOP TRUMP, NEVER TRUMP and ANYONE BUT TRUMP campaigns to protect the status quo on open borders and free trade treason.
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    Tom Dart in McAllen, Texas Tuesday 5 April 2016 12.00 BST
    Now or never: Trump's Mexico wall threat encourages migration to US

    The Republican candidate’s plan to build a wall along the US-Mexico border is causing many in Central America to flee to Texas’s Rio Grande valley

    Catalina Maldonado wanted to flee El Salvador for the US to protect her son from danger. After learning of Donald Trump’s plan to build a wall along the border with Mexico, she decided it was now or maybe never.

    If the Republican candidate’s supporters might be delighted that some in Central America are treating the prospect of a wall-raising President Trump with high seriousness, in the short term it appears his rhetoric may be encouraging – not dissuading – migrants to head north to escape poverty and violence.

    “We heard he wants to build those walls. That’s why we came,” Maldonado said. “A lot of people are talking about it in El Salvador. They say really bad things about him,” the 34-year-old added through a translator in a shelter in Texas’s Rio Grande valley, the centre of the 2014 surge in unauthorized crossings by families and unaccompanied minors and still the busiest route.

    More than half of the lone children and families caught crossing the south-west border this fiscal year have been apprehended in the area, which offers the shortest journey from Central America, has sizable populations on both sides of the frontier, flat terrain and dense scrubland and where the only barrier between the US and Mexico is natural: the narrow, serpentine Rio Grande river.

    After an initial screening in detention facilities to establish whether they have a plausible asylum case, Central American migrants are typically released to join up with family members already in the US.

    Many go to the parish hall of Sacred Heart Catholic church in downtown McAllen. A couple of blocks from the bus station and seven miles from the border, since the summer of 2014 it has offered food, clothes, beds and compassion.

    It was supposed to be temporary. In year three, with its neat rows of clothes laid out by size and gender, its children’s play area with toys and teddy bears and its well-honed procedures – migrants are applauded as they enter by volunteers, registered at a desk, and leave to catch their buses wearing black backpacks containing toiletries – it looks all but permanent.

    Staff have noticed the families are now typically being detained for a couple of days, rather than weeks or months – a consequence of beefed-up infrastructure since the dramatic influx two years ago overwhelmed the system, and of a court ruling last summer that ordered the Obama administration to speed up their release.

    Still, the complaints are much the same: that the facilities are cold, cramped and intimidating, and that the food is inedible.

    The shelter is helping 20-30 migrants each day, in contrast with December and January, when 60-100 was the norm. According to Border Patrol figures, 3,048 family members and 3,113 unaccompanied children were caught at the south-west frontier in February – fewer than half the number who were apprehended in December.

    Those figures subvert expectations that crossings typically slow down during the winter but rise in the spring, making it hard to predict whether another summer surge is imminent.

    In a statement detailing the statistics, Jeh Johnson, the homeland security secretary, referred to the tough stance the government has adopted towards those who arrived since 2014 in a bid to deter more crossings.

    Measures include heavily publicised raids on families in January and the arrests of 336 people who entered as unaccompanied minors and are now over 18.

    Still, more than 23,000 lone children from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras and Mexico were encountered in the first five months of fiscal year 2016, and an uptick in the coming months could bring this year’s total close to the 67,339 seen in 2014. That was nearly treble the number in 2012, a rise caused by a dramatic increase in migration from the three Central American countries, which have become some of the world’s most violent places.

    Sitting in the shelter with her son, Luis, a half-eaten cookie in a wrapper on the table in front of him, Maldonado said that they decided to leave when a gang tried to recruit the 17-year-old. She had heard about the January raids and a crackdown on migrants in Mexico but felt that making the trip would be the best way to give her son a safer future and that if Trump made good on his promise, an arduous journey might soon become an impossible one.

    In El Salvador she earned $8 a day working from 6am to 4pm selling smoothies. At the end of a two-week trip that cost $2,500 per person, paid to a smuggler, she and Luis crossed from the Mexican city of Reynosa, floating across the Rio Grande on an inner tube at night then walking for miles before her group was picked up by the border patrol.

    After three nights in a detention facility, Maldonado and her son were released to join up with her brother in Virginia and await an interview with immigration officials. A tracking device had been strapped to her left ankle at 3am on the day of her release, she said, and she was told she could not leave Virginia. Last year, Immigration and Customs Enforcement began routinely fitting ankle bracelets to adults released from detention.

    Their bus was not until the following morning, so they slept in one of two tents in the church’s parking lot, packed tightly with two-dozen camp beds and cribs but mostly empty last Thursday.

    Neldis Díaz came with his seven-year-old son, Nelvis, leaving his wife and toddler in Guatemala. He was also bound for Virginia, to link up with his brother-in-law. The pair’s 12-day journey by boat and bus culminated in a stay in a stash house at the border and then a raft across the Rio Grande, he said. The smugglers first sent over a group of elderly people, he said, to distract the border agents and make reaching American soil easier for the rest of the party.

    Trump’s message had reached the small settlement where Díaz grew coffee. “I’m not in agreement with what he’s saying,” Díaz said via a translator. “I thought about it a lot – that’s what a lot of people are saying, that as soon as he enters [the White House] they’re going to change everything … I got here as fast as I could because I was afraid of that.”

    News of the January raids did not discourage him from coming, he said, but the government’s hardline stance does make him wary of his upcoming court date. “I’m afraid I’ll be immediately sent back. A lot of people are afraid to go to their court appearance,” he said.

    As clapping signalled the arrival of a dozen more migrants, including one woman nursing a baby, Manuel Vásquez and his 12-year-old son, Elmer, left for the bus station to embark on a three-day, four-bus voyage to meet family in New Jersey. Vásquez left his wife and four children in Guatemala, where he worked on a coffee plantation.

    He was unaware of the real estate tycoon’s utterances and entirely unruffled when informed. “We’re already in,” he said. “Too bad.”

    Now or never: Trump's Mexico wall threat encourages migration to US | US news | The Guardian

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    If Trump is going to deport all illegal immigrants, then theoretically there would be no illegal immigrants from Mexico left to send remittances back to Mexico to hold or confiscate as payment for the wall. As I said months ago, this country does really stupid things everyday with 10's of billions of dollars so why don't we just pay for it and book it under National Security's budget.

    Based on this article, we should have at least another million illegals in before years end, oh no!
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    The Mexican central bank reported that money sent home by Mexicans overseas hit nearly $24.8 billion last year, overtaking oil revenues for the first time as a source of foreign income.
    That is a lot of cash. They are making a lot of money; their numbers and jobs they have taken is just disgusting. This is a total takeover sanctioned by our gov't.

    This announcement by Trump will scare the hell out of them. Good. If it takes 2yrs to be rid of them which Trump declared,
    no remittances during those 2 yrs unless they pay for the wall.
    At $50 billion for 2 yrs, mexico would rather have that money allowed in.

    Mandate E-Verify for every job would greatly help to move them back home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe s View Post
    If Trump is going to deport all illegal immigrants, then theoretically there would be no illegal immigrants from Mexico left to send remittances back to Mexico to hold or confiscate as payment for the wall...

    Based on this article, we should have at least another million illegals in before years end, oh no!
    Good point.
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