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    Trump isn’t pushing hard for this one popular way to curb illegal immigration

    Trump isn’t pushing hard for this one popular way to curb illegal immigration


    Gustavo Salines delivers meals to a couple at Skull Creek Dockside Waterfront Restaurant on Hilton Head Island, S.C. Staffing at the restaurant is down 10 percent because of a labor shortage. (Stephen B. Morton for The Washington Post)

    May 22

    In President Trump’s many vocal pronouncements about stopping illegal immigration, one solution he promoted during the campaign has been conspicuously missing — a requirement that employers check whether workers are legal.

    Eight states require nearly all employers to use the federal government’s online E-Verify tool for new hires, but efforts to expand the mandate to all states have stalled, despite polls showing widespread support and studies showing that it reduces unauthorized workers.

    The campaign for a national mandate has withered amid what appears to be a more pressing problem — a historic labor shortage that has businesses across the country desperate for workers at restaurants, on farms and in other low-wage jobs.

    The urgency around that shortage was clear at a congressional hearing last week when senators pressed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on additional visas for seasonal foreign workers.

    “There’s not one manufacturing plant in Wisconsin, not one dairy farm, not one resort that can hire enough people,” said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.

    With the unemployment rate at a 17-year low and the Trump administration cracking down on foreign workers, lawmakers are reluctant to champion a measure that could exacerbate the labor shortage and hurt business constituents — even one that is popular among a broad swath of Americans.

    House Republicans are forging ahead with a debate over the future of young undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, but the fate of an E-Verify provision remains in limbo.

    Despite his administration’s “Hire American” stance, Trump and the GOP leadership have gone quiet on mandating E-Verify, draining momentum from a top policy goal of grass-roots Republicans.

    “The president has been very weak on this subject,” said Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, an organization that has campaigned for a national E-Verify mandate since 1996 in its quest for reduced immigration. “Even though he’s not pushing hard for it and even though the Republican leadership has been really sluggish on this, the Republican Party as a whole is overwhelmingly for this.”

    “Allowing businesses to employ people illegally is like the government leaving the keys in an unlocked car,” Beck said. “You’re going to get a lot of stolen cars.”
    E-Verify has proved effective at keeping immigrants who are in the country illegally from taking American jobs. In Arizona, which pioneered the mandatory checks in 2008, the number of unauthorized workers dropped 33 percent below what was projected without the requirement, according to a 2017 analysis by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

    The federal employment verification system, introduced more than 20 years ago, has wide public support. Nearly 80 percent of those surveyed last fall by The Washington Post and ABC News support requiring employers to verify new hires are legally living in the United States — more than double the support for building a wall along the Mexico border.


    Steve Carb, president of SERG Restaurant Group, at the Skull Creek Dockside restaurant. He is struggling to staff his 12 restaurants. (Stephen B. Morton for The Washington Post)

    Trump touted a national E-Verify mandate while running for president.

    “We will ensure that E-Verify is used to the fullest extent possible under existing law, and we will work with Congress to strengthen and expand its use across the country,” he declared in a 2016 speech in Arizona.

    Trump in October listed E-Verify among his immigration priorities and in February requested $23 million in his 2019 budget proposal to expand the program for mandatory nationwide use. He uses E-Verify at his golf club in North Carolina, where the worker checks are required by state law, as well as at other entities in Chicago, Miami and New York, according to an E-Verify database of participating employers.

    But it is unclear whether E-Verify checks are performed across Trump’s entire domestic portfolio of hotels and golf clubs. Trump Organization and White House officials have not responded to Post inquiries.

    And Trump has yet to use the platform of the presidency to rally support for a national requirement, opting instead to push for a wall, further militarization of the border and stepped-up deportations.

    The labor shortage in industries that most depend upon undocumented workers — such as agriculture, construction and hospitality — is driving up wages and deterring state authorities from rigorous enforcement of state E-Verify laws, factors that analysts say complicate any national campaign.

    There is just one unemployed person for every job opening in the country, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data, the lowest rate since the government began tracking this information in 2000.

    “If you cut off the labor supply like these laws do, you are going to see employers get desperate when it becomes a lot more difficult to hire, and if businesses are following the law, they have to raise wages,” said Pia Orrenius, senior economist at the Dallas Fed who found that states with universal E-Verify requirements typically saw substantial reductions in the number of unauthorized workers.

    Orrenius’s research has shown that E-Verify mandates resulted in increased wages for low-skilled workers born in the United States or otherwise naturalized. In the states that have mandated near-universal E-Verify, the average hourly wages of unauthorized Mexican men fell nearly 8 percent after the requirement went into effect, while wages for U.S.-born and naturalized Hispanic men rose between 7 and 9 percent.

    In South Carolina, restaurateur Steve Carb, whose company is the largest employer on the resort island of Hilton Head, is struggling to staff his 12 restaurants — and having to shut down entire dining sections several days a week.

    His dining establishments, from pizzerias to 450-seat waterfront seafood restaurants, now employ about 900 people but need 1,000 to function optimally, he said.

    He has had to raise wages to attract and keep workers.

    Dishwashers earn $13 an hour instead of the $10 they earned a couple of years ago. Line cooks are paid $15 to $18 an hour, instead of $13 to $15. Additional overtime costs mean tweaking the menu to stay profitable, from switching to smaller shrimp to raising the price of a plate of fish and chips by 30 cents.

    “The whole island is a disaster zone right now,” said Carb, president and founder of SERG Restaurant Group. “It’s been a nightmare.”

    Meanwhile, Carb noted, “there are people who are willing to work and pay taxes, but they can’t get jobs because we can’t legally hire them.”

    Other restaurants will, though, he said.


    Gustavo Salines carries a tray of food past a closed-off section at Skull Creek Dockside. The restaurant owner said it lacks the staffing to use the space for customers. (Stephen B. Morton for The Washington Post)

    Even with the threat of fines or losing their business licenses, some employers in mandatory E-Verify states are not complying with the program, with states shying away from enforcement actions for fear of alienating business owners.

    Only 55 percent of new hires in South Carolina were screened through E-Verify in the second quarter of 2017, according to an analysis by the Cato Institute. In Arizona, 59 percent of new hires were checked against federal records during that period, according to Cato.

    “There’s no enforcement,” said Bruce L. Dusenberry, who was president and chief executive of Horizon Moving Systems before he sold it in 2013 to focus on commercial industrial real estate in Arizona.

    “If employers were required to follow the law just like they scream about immigrants following the law, it would reduce the demand,” said Dusenberry, who supports a national E-Verify mandate. “We wouldn’t need the military going down to the border.”

    Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst at Cato, said states have been reluctant to crack down hard because legislators know that businesses will suffer.

    His analyses have shown that compliance rates in South Carolina fall when the unemployment rate falls.

    “The penalties aren’t used very often, because who wants to shut down a bunch of small businesses?” Nowrasteh said. “If you enforce immigration laws too much, you could do serious damage to the local economy and hurt a lot of small businesses that have a lot of political power.”

    In South Carolina, 2 percent of employers were audited for E-Verify use in 2017, according to state data. Of those businesses, 17 percent were cited for violating the law, but none had their licenses suspended.

    Congressional Republican supporters of Trump’s “America First” ideology also face political pressures.

    Conservative lawmakers who represent rural farming districts, as well as Democrats, have said they will support a national E-Verify mandate only if it comes with the guarantee of a robust agricultural guest-worker program and protection for existing workers who are in the country illegally.

    “A lot of our elected officials are listening to those of us explaining the negative economic impact,” said Bert Lemkes, general manager of Tri-Hishtil, an agricultural firm in western North Carolina that specializes in plant grafting.

    Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) said in an interview that the low unemployment rate has made it harder for Republicans to call for a federal mandate. He said that he would not support a national mandate but that states that do require employers to use E-Verify, such as North Carolina, should receive priority for foreign-worker visas.

    “There is a worker shortage, whether it’s in low-skilled work or certified work like the construction trades,” Tillis said. “There is going to be an increasing number of unfilled positions.”


    Fry cooks Modesto Lopez, left, and Gerson Gonzalez prepare meals in the kitchen of Skull Creek Dockside. The restaurant’s owner has had to raise wages to attract and keep workers. (Stephen B. Morton for The Washington Post)

    He cited a business franchise with footprints in North Carolina and another state without an E-Verify requirement that he would not name because he did not want to identify the company. “In North Carolina, they have a couple hundred open jobs they can’t fill,” he said. “And in the state without E-Verify, they don’t have a worker shortage.”

    Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R) campaigned on the promise of implementing a statewide E-Verify mandate. But as governor, Scott told citrus growers in 2012 that it would be “foolish to put Florida companies at a disadvantage” because of the lack of a national requirement.

    Nationally, 10 percent of U.S. employers are enrolled in E-Verify. The eight states that require nearly all employers to use the system are Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Utah.

    California, a self-declared “sanctuary state” for immigrants in the country illegally, prohibits state agencies and municipalities from mandating E-Verify.
    David Cox, owner of the family nursery L.E. Cooke Co. in Visalia, Calif., voluntarily began using E-Verify after a 2009 audit by Immigration and Customs
    Enforcement. A quarter of his fieldworkers were undocumented and had to be fired.

    And the E-Verify signs in his office and production facilities have discouraged many immigrants from applying. Instead, Cox began primarily attracting ex-convicts.

    His absenteeism rate shot from nonexistent up to 10 percent as his new employees skipped work for drug court, anger-management classes, and appointments with their probation and parole officers. He slipped a new line into his orientation speech: “No guns, knives or bombs.”

    Whereas in the past, Cox harangued workers who showed up 10 minutes past the 7:30 a.m. start time, he soon began thanking the ones who bothered showing up by 10 a.m.

    By April, Cox concluded that, amid other labor market conditions, he could no longer compete against nurseries that continue to employ unauthorized immigrants, and he shuttered his field operations.

    “If we’re going to use E-Verify,” he said, “it has to be done on a national basis all at once so everyone is on a level playing field and everyone feels the pain.”


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    I'm against mandatory E-Verify! We have laws that make it illegal for an employer, school, or even police officer asking if a person is an illegal alien. What hypocrisy for government to mandate its own program that does just that.

    To provide E-Verify as an option is one thing. Even with it, employers can still hire illegal aliens. It is only one of the tools that can be used. The government can stop "Catch-and-release", and stop giving asylum. If they would get serious about those, then I might believe their intentions with E-Verify. However, we have government spying on us through our cellphones. Our top police agency seems to have been running covert spy operations on political opponents. I cannot see entrusting them with more ways to control us.

    To be effective, E-Verify would need every employee registered, then they could track everybody. Yeah, I'm paranoid. Alexa/Siri are options now. And as news report show, they spy on the people who have them. So politicians will find a good thing, whether being able to call 911 without finding your phone, or security catching burglars with such devices. Then they will make them mandatory for everybody, like seatbelts and airbags.
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    I fully support a mandatory national E-Verify program as one of the many necessary fixes to greatly reduce illegal immigration in our country. E-Verify is a proven tool to combat illegal immigration and I'm all for it!

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    I was never a big fan of E-verify, because it doesn't stop the employer who willfully hires illegal aliens, but since I got up to speed on this linking of federal E-Verify to driver's licenses and state DMV offices, I realized they were saving the information, storing it, building a huge government database of private, personal and photo and financial information on American citizens, and obviously I'm opposed to all that. So they lost me for good. So I support Trump on his position of not pushing it, and I hope it never passes and eventually goes away, once and for all.
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    Trump called ‘very weak’ on E-Verify effort in US




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    File photo: “There’s not one manufacturing plant in Wisconsin, not one dairy farm, not one resort that can hire enough people,” said Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.By THE WASHINGTON POST |

    PUBLISHED: May 22, 2018 at 4:22 pm | UPDATED: May 23, 2018 at 4:13 am


    By Tracy Jan | Washington Post

    In President Donald Trump’s many vocal pronouncements about stopping illegal immigration, one solution he promoted during the campaign has been conspicuously missing: a requirement that employers check whether workers are legal.

    Eight states require nearly all employers to use the federal government’s online “E-Verify” tool to check whether new hires are eligible to work in the U.S., but efforts to expand the mandate to all states have stalled, despite polls showing widespread support and studies showing it reduces unauthorized workers.

    The campaign for a national mandate has withered amid what appears to be a more pressing problem – a historic labor shortage that has businesses across the country desperate for workers, at restaurants, farms and in other low-wage jobs.

    The urgency around that shortage was clear at a congressional hearing last week when senators pressed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on additional visas for seasonal foreign workers.

    “There’s not one manufacturing plant in Wisconsin, not one dairy farm, not one resort that can hire enough people,” said Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
    With the unemployment rate at a 17-year low and a Trump administration crackdown on foreign workers, lawmakers are reluctant to champion legislation that could exacerbate the labor shortage and hurt business constituents – even one aimed at illegal workers that’s popular among a broad swath of Americans.

    House Republicans are forging ahead with a debate over the future of young undocumented immigrants who arrived in the United States as children, but the fate of an E-Verify provision remains in limbo.

    Despite his administration’s “Hire American” rhetoric, Trump and the GOP leadership have gone quiet on mandating E-Verify, draining momentum from a top policy goal of grass-roots Republicans.

    “The president has been very weak on this subject. Even though he’s not pushing hard for it, and even though the Republican leadership has been really sluggish on this, the Republican Party as a whole is overwhelmingly for this,” said Roy Beck, president of NumbersUSA, an organization that has campaigned for a national E-Verify mandate since 1996 in its quest for reduced immigration.

    “Allowing businesses to employ people illegally is like the government leaving the keys in an unlocked car,” Beck said. “You’re going to get a lot of stolen cars.”

    E-Verify has proved effective at keeping immigrants who are in the country illegally from taking American jobs. In Arizona, which pioneered the mandatory checks in 2008, the number of unauthorized workers dropped 33 percent below what was projected without the requirement, according to a 2017 analysis by the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

    The federal employment verification system, introduced more than 20 years ago, has wide public support. Nearly 80 percent of those surveyed last fall by The Washington Post and ABC News support requiring employers to verify new hires are legally living in the United States – more than double the support for building a wall along the Mexico border.

    Trump touted a national E-Verify mandate while running for president.

    “We will ensure that E-Verify is used to the fullest extent possible under existing law, and we will work with Congress to strengthen and expand its use across the country,” Trump declared in a 2016 speech in Arizona.

    Trump last October listed E-Verify among his immigration priorities and in February, requested $23 million in his 2019 budget proposal to expand the program for mandatory nationwide use. He uses E-Verify at his golf club in North Carolina, where the worker checks are required by state law, as well as other entities in Chicago, Miami and New York, according to an E-Verify database of participating employers.

    But it is unclear whether E-Verify checks are performed across Trump’s entire domestic portfolio of hotels and golf clubs. Trump Organization and White House officials have not responded to Post inquiries.

    And Trump has yet to use the platform of the presidency to rally support for a national requirement, opting instead to push for building a wall, militarizing the border and stepping up deportations.

    The labor shortage in industries that most depend upon undocumented workers – like agriculture, construction and hospitality – is driving up wages and deterring state authorities from rigorous enforcement of state E-Verify laws, factors that analysts say complicate any national campaign.

    There is just one unemployed person for every job opening in the country, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data, the lowest since the government began tracking this information in 2000.

    “If you cut off the labor supply like these laws do, you are going to see employers get desperate when it becomes a lot more difficult to hire, and if businesses are following the law, they have to raise wages,” said Pia Orrenius, senior economist at the Dallas Fed who found that states with universal E-Verify requirements typically saw substantial reductions in the number of unauthorized workers.

    Orrenius’s research has shown that E-Verify mandates resulted in increased wages for low-skilled workers born in the United States or otherwise naturalized. In the states that have mandated near-universal E-Verify, the average hourly wages of unauthorized Mexican men fell nearly 8 percent after the requirement went into effect, while wages for U.S. born and naturalized Hispanic men rose between 7 and 9 percent.

    In South Carolina, restaurateur Steve Carb, the largest employer on the resort island of Hilton Head, is struggling to staff his 12 restaurants – and having to shut down entire dining sections several days a week. His dining establishments, from pizzerias to 450-seat waterfront seafood restaurants, now employ about 900 people but need 1,000 to function optimally, he said.

    He has had to raise wages to attract and keep workers.

    Dishwashers earn $13 an hour, instead of $10 a couple of years ago. Line cooks are paid between $15 and $18 an hour, instead of $13 to $15. Additional overtime costs mean tweaking the menu to stay profitable, from switching to smaller shrimp to raising the price of a plate of fish and chips by 30 cents.

    “The whole island is a disaster zone right now,” said Carb, president and founder of SERG Restaurant Group. “It’s been a nightmare.” Meanwhile, Carb noted, “there are people who are willing to work and pay taxes, but they can’t get jobs because we can’t legally hire them.” Other restaurants will, though, he said.

    Even with the threat of fines or losing their business licenses, some employers in mandatory E-Verify states are not complying with the program because states have shied away from enforcement actions for fear of alienating business owners.

    Only 55 percent of new hires in South Carolina were screened through E-Verify in the second quarter of 2017, according to an analysis by Cato Institute. In Arizona, 59 percent of new hires were checked against federal records during that period, according to Cato.

    “There’s no enforcement,” said Bruce Dusenberry, former president and chief executive of Horizon Moving Systems before he sold it in 2013 to focus on commercial industrial real estate in Arizona.

    “If employers were required to follow the law just like they scream about immigrants following the law, it would reduce the demand,” said Dusenberry, who supports a national E-Verify mandate. “We wouldn’t need the military going down to the border.”

    Alex Nowrasteh, an immigration policy analyst at Cato, said states have been reluctant to crack down hard because legislators know businesses will suffer. His analyses have shown that compliance rates in South Carolina fall when the unemployment rate falls.

    “The penalties aren’t used very often because who wants to shut down a bunch of small businesses?” Nowrasteh said. “If you enforce immigration laws too much, you could do serious damage to the local economy and hurt a lot of small businesses that have a lot of political power.”

    In South Carolina, 2 percent of employers were audited for E-Verify use in 2017, according to state data. Of those businesses, 17 percent were cited for violating the law, but none had their licenses suspended.

    Congressional Republican supporters of Trump’s “America First” ideology also face political pressures.
    Conservative members who represent rural farming districts, as well as Democrats, have said they will support a national E-Verify mandate only if it comes with the guarantee of a robust agricultural guest worker program and protection of existing workers who are in the country illegally.

    “A lot of our elected officials are listening to those of us explaining the negative economic impact,” said Bert Lemkes, general manager of Tri-Hishtil, an agricultural firm in western North Carolina that specializes in plant grafting.
    Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., said in an interview that the low unemployment rate has made it harder for Republicans to call for a federal mandate. He said he would not support a national mandate, but states that do require employers to use E-Verify, such as North Carolina, should receive priority for foreign worker visas.

    “There is a worker shortage, whether it’s in low-skilled work or certified work like the construction trades,” Tillis said. “There is going to be an increasing number of unfilled positions.”

    He cited a business franchise with footprints in North Carolina and another state without an E-Verify requirement that he would not name because he did not want to identify the company. “In North Carolina, they have a couple hundred open jobs they can’t fill,” he said. “And in the state without E-Verify, they don’t have a worker shortage.”

    Florida Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican, campaigned on the promise of implementing a statewide E-Verify mandate. But as governor, Scott told citrus growers in 2012 that it would be “foolish to put Florida companies at a disadvantage” because of the lack of a national requirement.

    Nationally, 10 percent of U.S. employers are enrolled in E-Verify. The eight states that require nearly all employers to use the system are: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Utah. California, a self-declared “sanctuary state” for undocumented immigrants, prohibits state agencies and municipalities from mandating E-Verify.

    David Cox, owner of a family nursery L.E. Cooke Co. in Visalia, California, voluntarily began using E-Verify after a 2009 audit by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A quarter of his field workers were undocumented and had to be fired.

    But the E-Verify signs in his office and production facilities have discouraged many immigrants from applying. Instead, Cox began primarily attracting ex-convicts.

    His absenteeism rate shot from nonexistent up to 10 percent as his new employees skipped work for drug court, anger management classes and appointments with their probation and parole officers. He slipped a new line into his orientation speech: “No guns, knives or bombs.” Whereas in the past, Cox harangued workers who showed up 10 minutes past the 7:30 a.m. start time, he soon began thanking the ones who bothered showing up by 10 a.m.
    By April, Cox concluded that, amid other labor market conditions, he could no longer compete against nurseries that continue to employ unauthorized immigrants, and he shuttered his field operations.

    “If we’re going to use E-Verify,” he said, “it has to be done on a national basis all at once so everyone is on a level playing field and everyone feels the pain.”

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    Study Shows E-Verify's Effectiveness


    By Preston Huennekens on December 8, 2017



    Since its introduction in 1996 as Basic Pilot, E-Verify remains the easiest way for employers to determine if their workers are eligible to work legally in the United States. A 2016 study confirmed what many have known for years: The E-Verify system is remarkably effective at deterring illegal immigration.

    In their article "Do State Work Eligibility Verification Laws Reduce Unauthorized Immigration", researchers Pia M. Orrenius and Madeline Zavodny found that "having an E-Verify law reduces the number of less-educated prime-age immigrants from Mexico and Central America — immigrants who are likely to be unauthorized — living in a state." They studied the direct effect that the adoption of E-Verify has on the illegal alien population. They focused on Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Utah — all states that adopted E-Verify policies.

    The researchers constructed their test by using data collected by the U.S. Census' American Community Survey for the years 2005-2014. Although the ACS survey does not ask for immigration status, by using age, education, country-of-birth, and citizenship status the researchers could create an accurate representation of what the unlawfully present population looks like. Specifically, they defined illegal aliens as foreign-born aged 20-54 who have at most completed high school, are from Mexico and Central America, and are not U.S. citizens.

    The effects that E-Verify has on the illegal population are astounding. Orrenius and Zavodny found that the number of newly arrived aliens (those most likely to come for employment) fell by nearly 50 percent when a state implemented a mandatory E-Verify law. That is a direct testament to the powerful effect that verification laws have on the ability of illegal aliens to work. The effects were particularly profound in Arizona, where the researchers found an exodus of alien workers following the implementation of mandatory E-Verify in 2008.

    The study unveiled a number of other pertinent findings as well. One was that E-Verify had a greater negative effect on the presence of illegal workers than other related efforts, indicating that workplace enforcement is the surest way to reduce the population of illegal workers in a given state. The specific example provided was the 287(g) program that allows for local law enforcement to wield authority for immigration enforcement within their jurisdictions. The study did not report on the effectiveness of the program (arrests, less crime, etc.) but did report that the presence of 287(g) was not as effective a deterrent to the illegal population as E-Verify was.

    They also found that the deterrent effect of E-Verify was only present when E-Verify was mandated for all employers. There was no effect on the immigrant population when only government employers or government contractors had to use E-Verify. They write that "the results indicate that E-Verify requirements for government employees and government contractors have relatively little effect on the number of likely unauthorized immigrants or less-educated U.S. natives in a state. This is not surprising since relatively few unauthorized immigrants are directly affected by those laws."

    Their study indicates that E-Verify is one of the most important enforcement tools available to states that wish to reduce their illegal alien populations. Research shows that most illegal migration is for economic reasons, and that the adoption of E-Verify and other worksite enforcement measures effectively blocks illegal aliens from procuring employment, thereby preventing many from settling down in the United States. Faced with mandatory E-Verify, the study shows that many aliens either returned to their home countries or traveled to other states that did not have employment verification regulations.

    E-Verify is a powerful tool that could have a significant effect on illegal immigration if properly implemented nationwide. A universal E-Verify requirement has been included in a number of bills introduced in this congressional session, including the RAISE Act, the Legal Workforce Act, and the American LAWS Act. As Congress debates how to reform our broken immigration system, they should heed the closing remarks of the study: "[P]olicymakers should consider adopting [E-Verify] if they hope to reduce the number of unauthorized immigrants to the USA."

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    It doesn't change my mind. They don't need an email address to verify that you're a US citizen, but they ask for it. They don't need your telephone number, but they ask for it. They don't need your employer, yet they ask for it. You can't trust the federal government with this type and volume of information they're requesting. I didn't realize they were asking for and storing all of this information or using it among many different agencies and now states. Oh no, this thing has gone way off the rails giving the federal government all it needs to create a federal police state, abuse your information, leak your personal information, get it hacked, oh no, this won't do at all. Good for Trump for standing back from it and Republicans needs to walk away from it right now, because this isn't just a verify your employee any more, it's a massive stored database on US citizens.

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    Judy wrote (excerpt):

    It doesn't change my mind. They don't need an email address to verify that you're a US citizen, but they ask for it. They don't need your telephone number, but they ask for it. They don't need your employer, yet they ask for it.
    Nobody is trying to change your mind. The information requested on E-Verify is the same information found on the I-9 form. Are you proposing the federal government dispense with that too even though it is required by law? As best I can tell, there is no telephone number or Email address required for the employee. If an employer is asking for that information it is for their own needs, not the needs of the I-9 form or E-Verify request. Oh, and why wouldn't they need to know the employer and why would it matter anyway? Perhaps the reason you don't like E-Verify is because you're misinformed on some of the details.

    I-9 form:

    https://www.jobs.irs.gov/sites/defau...rification.pdf

    E-Verify:

    https://www.uscis.gov/e-verify/faq/w...l-verification

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    No, I'm not misinformed on any of the details I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Nobody is trying to change your mind.
    Of course you are!

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    Are you proposing the federal government dispense with that too even though it is required by law?
    Just what we need, something else "required by law"!


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    If an employer is asking for that information it is for their own needs, not the needs of the I-9 form or E-Verify request. Oh, and why wouldn't they need to know the employer and why would it matter anyway?
    If an employer asks for that information "for their own needs", they could be sued. If a cop asks for that information, they could be sued. If a school asks for that information, the could be sued.

    If we allowed, and "mandated" cops to verify legality and "mandated" that they impound a car driven by, and take into custody all illegal aliens, we wouldn't need a new law to fight illegal aliens.

    When Social Security was started, that number was supposed to be kept secret and only used for SS. I was in the military then, and soon my serial number was changed to the SSN. Now everything is keyed to that SSN. And because that number is available everywhere, to everybody, identity theft has become very easy. So now Medicare is changing to a separate number, and again, it is supposed to be kept secret! It's inconvenient to hassle with all those separate numbers, but if all my charge cards used the same number, I could be totally wiped out instantly. But with them having different numbers, they can only violate one account at a time.

    E-Verify is just another government database that will soon be abused. Like the No-Fly-List, if they make a mistake, you may be locked out from earning a living. And as Judy pointed out, it does not prevent an employer from hiring under the table.

    So it's just another "feel good" placebo program.
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