Thread: Trump supporter charged with voting twice in Iowa

I totally support primary elections. I think states that use the caucus system are missing the will of the people and separating the process too much from normal individuals who just want to cast a vote and not have to horde into a room and listen to speeches to cast a vote for a primary candidate.

Originally Posted by Judy

I totally support primary elections. I think states that use the caucus system are missing the will of the people and separating the process too much from normal individuals who just want to cast a vote and not have to horde into a room and listen to speeches to cast a vote for a primary candidate.

Your hope seems to be that as long as the government runs the elections for the political parties, then you will have more authority over your political party. That seems like a pretty vain hope. Look at the last twenty years. Don't surrender your political party to the government and the Two Party system, this is a proven failure. Take back your political party.

And for the rest of us who refuse to belong to a political party, we don't need your primary elections. The constitution is on our side. Your primary elections are a parasite on the polling system which must be run by the government, that can't be run by political parties. Political parties are not a necessary part of government and they have taken over government in the Two Party System.

The primary elections are available to all political parties, not just two. You have to gain enough members and signatures to get on the primary ballot which makes sense, I have no problem with that, but viable third and fourth and fifth and sixth parties can participate in the primary election.

Originally Posted by Judy

The primary elections are available to all political parties, not just two. You have to gain enough members and signatures to get on the primary ballot which makes sense, I have no problem with that, but viable third and fourth and fifth and sixth parties can participate in the primary election.

You are blithely missing the point. Political parties are not a necessary part of our political life and certainly not any part of government. If you don't belong to a political party, then the primary elections are complete and utter waste of time.

I didn't say they were necessary.

I'm not arguing the benefits or lack thereof of political parties. People are free to have their own opinion on political parties. I like my party although I'm mad at it right now and have been for awhile. I see it changing for the good, thanks to Donald Trump, and I'm very happy about that.

I'm just taking a position on primary elections. I think primary elections are the best way to choose candidates for the General Election, rather than just political parties as you suggest.

Originally Posted by Judy

I didn't say they were necessary.

I'm not arguing the benefits or lack thereof of political parties. People are free to have their own opinion on political parties. I like my party although I'm mad at it right now and have been for awhile. I see it changing for the good, thanks to Donald Trump, and I'm very happy about that.

I'm just taking a position on primary elections. I think primary elections are the best way to choose candidates for the General Election, rather than just political parties as you suggest.

I heard you the first time. You want the government to run your party's elections. At the same time you are upset at your political party, they have been upsetting you for a long time. But when it comes to the way your political party actually picks its nominees, you don't want to get involved and make sure the party represents you. You want the government to run your party's elections. Despite all the problems you are having with your party, you don't think the way your political party chooses its nominees is the problem. But what else could you be upset about unless it is the nominees that your political party submit for the government run elections. Somewhere your party is choosing the nominees anyway. The solution is to take your party back and assume responsibility for the way your party runs things, especially how they pick their nominees.

In this last primary election your political party nearly ignored the results of the primary elections and they could have done that, there was nothing to prevent them. The government, despite running your party's elections has no authority over whether the primaries choose the candidate or not. Primary elections are not legally binding on the political parties. They can ignore them if they want and they nearly did.

Take your party back and take your party out of the public polling process. It is a nuisance and burden on the rest of us who have no party affiliations. I myself briefly registered as Republican in order to vote in your party's nomination and then re-registerd Decline to State as soon as it was over. The government polling registry lets me do that and I will be able to do that any time I feel like it as long as the government runs primary elections. I am not a Republican. I voted for Trump in this election and needed no party affiliation to do it.

Yes, that's right. I want state governments to oversee primary elections, the same as they oversee General Elections. There are certain functions that a competent government is best to handle and holding fair elections is or at least should be one of them.

I have no problem at all with your voting in the Republican primary in your state even though you are unaffiliated and registered as Republican only to vote for our candidate. Why would I object to that? Why would anyone?

If not for the primary elections that represented the voice of the people, Trump wouldn't even be on the ballot this General Election. I think is experience demonstrates why we should have primary elections. If the party bosses had their way, we'd be staring a Bush/Cruz/Kasich versus Clinton race in the face, instead of a Trump versus Clinton race. That would not have been in the best interest of the American People in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, that's right. I want state governments to oversee primary elections, the same as they oversee General Elections. There are certain functions that a competent government is best to handle and holding fair elections is or at least should be one of them.

There is absolutely no constitutional requirement for the government to run elections for a political party. Not only that, it is not even necessary for a political party to run elections in order to nominate a candidate for an election. And meanwhile for those of us who choose not to belong to political party, or choose to belong to a political party that is not concerned with the government approval necessary to submit to government run elections, are unfairly burdened by your need to have somebody else run your party's elections. Even while you are unsatisfied with the affairs of your own political party.

What are you doing, besides casting a government ballot, to take your party back?

What are you doing, besides casting a government ballot, to take your party back?

Not much really. I just speak my mind on the issues and vote. My problem with the Republican Party today are issues, not affairs. I'm Pro-Choice and the party platform is Pro-Life, and I support gay marriage for gay couples who want to get married, and the party platform is against gay marriage. The Republican Party was always neutral on abortion and gay rights until maybe 20 years ago or so. These platform positions are a grand deviation from the original philosophy of the Republican Party, I have a real problem with it, hope it changes in future years, stays out of the personal lives of our citizens and focuses on issues that matter like trade, immigration, FairTax, fiscal solvency, defense and so forth and attends to the public functions that are actually government responsibilities.

14 Cases of Voter Fraud So Far This Year -- And It's Not Even Election Day Yet

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BY VICTORIA TAFT
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The big election is just one week away, but how confident are you that your vote will count?

Presidential contender Donald Trump has made an issue of a “rigged” election this year, but he's not the only one wondering about the integrity of the voting process. So far this election season, there have been at least 14 cases of suspected or attempted voter and registration fraud.

According to the Pew Charitable Trust, one in eight voting records in the country is inaccurate, due to bad information, addresses, etc. The 2012 study also found that nearly 2.8 million people are registered in two or more states, and 1.8 million registered voters are dead.

The Public Interest Legal Foundation reports that making registering to vote easier via the “motor voter” law has resulted in non-citizens and other ineligible people registering and voting in several Virginia counties, thus diluting the votes of eligible citizens.

Recently, videographer James O'Keefe showed a key Democratic worker admitting to buying cars at auction and using them to transport people across state lines to selected precincts to vote illegally.

The tales of fraud outnumber the actual number of cases brought against people. Here are just the cases that have been filed so far this year — and we aren't even to Election Day yet:

Arizona

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A man who's a resident alien but not a citizen successfully registered to vote in Maricopa County on a bet with a workmate.

The man admits to lying about his citizenship on the form but used his real driver's license information and social security number. He told the local ABC 15 TV:

“It makes me really think the system is rigged. Not towards a political party but that the system is broken. How can it be 2016 and all these departments can't catch that I lied on my registration?”

He told ABC 15 News that he won't be voting, but says, “If I got [the voter card] there's something wrong.” Whether the man votes or not, the county attorney is considering charges.

Colorado and Kansas

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CBS 4 in Denver has uncovered a dozen cases of Colorado voters voting twice — many of them in two different states.

Six people were found to have voted twice using their own names and in “another six cases, people are suspected of voting in Colorado and another state during the same election cycle.” Two Republicans and one unaffiliated voter were identified.

The State of Kansas is investigating six of the people who live in Colorado but who voted in Kansas.

Florida

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A Miami-Dade County election worker was arrested for suspected voter fraud. Seventy-four-year-old Gladys Coego was charged with illegally marking ballots for a mayoral election.

In another case, 33-year-old Tomika Curgil was charged with five felony counts of filling out voter registration for non-existent or dead people while working for the group People United for Medical Marijuana.

Also, in Seminole County, mail-in ballots of several voters, including this couple, were stolen and fraudulently cast:

“Lawrence Halperin called the Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Office to find out what was going on. He was stunned to learn their ballots had already been cast. Someone had stolen the Halperins' ballots, faked their signatures and voted.”

Another victim, Joy McGahey, told the Orlando Sentinel that she's learned a valuable lesson:

“I don't think I'll vote by absentee ballot again. I think I will go to the precinct from now on.”

Florida officials are investigating these cases.

Illinois

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For generations, dead people have been accused of voting in Chicago. The Democratic “machine” supporting John Kennedy is believed by some historians to have conjured 8,858 votes from Chicago graveyards and elsewhere to steal the 1960 presidential election from popular Vice President Richard Nixon.

The city was riven amidst a massive voter fraud case in 1982 with 100,000 fraudulent votes.

Now, CBS Local Chicago reports there's a new crop of dead people filling out ballots, though not as many as in “the bad old days,” as the city's elections commission spokesman put it.

The station reports that 119 dead people have magically risen from the grave to fill out a ballot and vote 229 times in the last decade.

One dead man has voted eleven times.

These fraudulent votes are under investigation.

Illinois officials are also investigating three reports of people being offered bribes to vote for Hillary Clinton and another Democratic candidate.

The Daily Journal reports that Kankakee County officials are also investigating hinky looking mail-in ballots and reports of people being driven to the polls for early voting:

The investigation will also focus on the authenticity of vote by mail requests. Several applications have been filed with the election authority that appear to be fraudulently executed.

Late last week, Kankakee County Clerk Bruce Clark said potential voters were being brought to the clerk's office to vote early.

“Whoever it is should not be doing this,” he said. “People should be allowed to come in here and vote without being harassed.”

Indiana

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Both Judicial Watch and True the Vote have previously sued the state of Indiana for failing to promptly purge its voter lists of dead people and other illegal voters, such as convicted felons. A left-leaning political organization, TargetSmart, now also claims that the state's voter rolls are filled with 837,000 people with out-of-date addresses.

To complicate matters, Patriot Majority, a group affiliated with TargetSmart, is under investigation for turning in “suspicious” voter registration forms.

Voters are conflicted over the debate, with one side claiming that mere talk of voter fraud suppresses votes, while the Indiana State Police is taking the potential offense to the election system seriously and investigating all possible voter fraud.

Iowa

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Voter fraud suspect arrested in Des Moines

A Des Moines woman has been arrested on suspicion of voting twice this month in the general election, police and court records show.
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Three people tried to vote several times in Polk County, Iowa. Two of the incidents involved casting mail-in ballots, and the third person tried to vote in a county's early voting location.

Missouri

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St. Louis County prosecutors and the FBI are investigating allegations of voter fraud by the mayor of Berkeley, Missouri. While canvassing neighborhoods asking for peoples' votes, Mayor Theodore Hoskins offered them absentee ballots and told voters that he'd pick up their ballots when they were done. That may be against Missouri law.

Oklahoma

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Three Comanche County residents were investigated for trying to vote twice in the March presidential primary. They submitted absentee ballots and then tried to vote again in person before they were busted.

Pennsylvania

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PA State Police Raid Democrat Office Committing Voter Fraud http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/20161101_State_raids_Delco_offices__seeking_eviden ce_of_voter_registration_fraud.html …
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State raids Delco offices, seeking evidence of voter registration fraud

Pennsylvania state police have raided a Delaware County political field office seeking evidence of possible voter-registration fraud, according to court records.
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An organization tied to Democrat party voting efforts has been raided in an investigation of voter fraud. Philly.com reports:

The warrant did not specify the nature of the probe, but said agents also were looking for “templates...utilized to construct fraudulent voter registration forms” and “completed voter registration forms containing same or similar identifying information of individuals on multiple forms.”

The group, FieldWorks, has been scrutinized in Ohio before.

Texas

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Largest Voter Fraud Investigation in Texas History Underway in Tarrant County. We will crush illegal voting. #tcot http://www.empowertexans.com/around-texas/largest-voter-fraud-investigation-in-texas-history-underway-in-tarrant-county/ …
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Texas state officials have opened an investigationinto reports of so-called 'vote harvesting,' the practice of filling out and delivering mail-in ballots for other people in Tarrant County.

Texas law forbids an individual to witness more than one non-family member register or fill out ballots in a year. There's concern that retirement and nursing homes are selected by partisans to “help” residents vote and deliver their ballots.

Governor Greg Abbott has confirmed that an investigation of voter fraud is underway.

Also, some voters have reported that voting machines flipped their votes to the opposite party, but Texas officials say the 'flipping' is due to human error. Independent Journal Review previously reports that at least one machine has been taken off line for inspection, and other machines have been removed from early voting use because of the complaints.

Virginia

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Study: illegal Aliens Voting In Virginia By The Hundreds! http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/07/study-non-citizens-voting-in-virginia-by-the-thousands/ … via @dailycaller
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Study: Non-Citizens Voting In Virginia By The Hundreds Via @dailycaller

'These aliens are getting registered to vote when they are getting their photo ID cards!'
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The Public Interest Legal Foundation recently uncovered more “1,000 noncitizens who have registered to vote in just 8 of Virginia’s 133 voting jurisdictions. These ineligible voters have cast nearly 200 ballots in American elections. Each fraudulent registration and vote is a potential felony.”

The report was just released in early October, and no charges have yet been filed.

However, in another case, a Virginia man was charged with forging voter registrations and registration fraud.

As Yahoo! News reported:

Vafalay Massaquoi, 30, was arraigned on two felony counts of forging a public record and two counts of voter registration fraud.

“There is no allegation that any illegal vote was actually cast in this case,” said Virginia Commonwealth's Attorney Bryan Porter. “Furthermore, since the fraudulent applications involved fictitious people, had the fraud not been uncovered, the risk of actual fraudulent votes being cast was low.”

While that sounds like a crisis-averted situation, Linda Paine of the Election Integrity Project in California told Independent Journal Review that doesn't make her feel better:

“We don't even use the term 'voter fraud' anymore. There's an overall manipulation of the voter process, including lax statewide standards, that allow people to be impersonated at the polls. And because poll workers don't check signatures or ID, there [is] almost no way to catch it — unless they choose to.”

Paine told Independent Journal Review that a good start toward getting rid of voter manipulation would be checking for citizenship by comparing voter rolls to e-verify lists.

We've chronicled 14 cases, but we're not talking about a total of 14 votes. For some of these examples, numerous registrations or votes were affected. And one can only reasonably expect that more cases are to come as we inch closer and closer to Election Day.

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