Thread: Trump supporters, Black Lives Matter protester clash at rally

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I don't understand why they knocked him down and were punching him. That makes no sense at all. Security needed to escort him out which they eventually did, but in my opinion Trump supporters should wait for security and not have scenes like this broadcast all over the internet of them beating up on a protester.

Originally Posted by Judy

I don't understand why they knocked him down and were punching him. That makes no sense at all. Security needed to escort him out which they eventually did, but in my opinion Trump supporters should wait for security and not have scenes like this broadcast all over the internet of them beating up on a protester.

I think this crowd was fairly restrained with their reactions to that very large black man that was acting so aggressively.

The crowd could have really beat the crap out of him but they did not. He was attacking their civil rights by trying to disrupt the meeting and their freedoms to assemble.

The police and security need to have plans to respond faster to disruptive protesters at Trump events in the future.

W

The Black Lives Matter protester also has civil rights to assemble and protest. Events have the right to remove those who are disruptive. But they shouldn't kick, punch or assault someone who is protesting at a political rally. He had a ticket to get in same as they did. Not all people who attend Trump rallies are Trump supporters. Some are coming to listen to decide whether they will be or not. Others come to see Trump the celebrity. Some come to see him and hear what he has to say. Some come to spy on the events. Some come to report on the events. And yes, some come to make a point.

When the Anti-Illegal Immigration protester was at one of the events. Trump said "don't hurt him". That was the right response and that needs to be the response at all these events.

I agree that police and security need to respond faster.

I don't support the Black Lives Matter movement because I think the movement's demands and reasons are ludicrous. More importantly though, I do not support physical violence against a protester unless provoked with physical violence. IMO, anyone that initiated the violence or participated in it, unless in self-defense, should have been arrested for assault.

I don't think this should be a reflection on the Trump campaign because he doesn't have the luxury of picking and choosing who his supporters are. However, I can understand how some folks would view the video clips negatively and associate them with Trump.

Originally Posted by MW

More importantly though, I do not support physical violence against a protester unless provoked with physical violence. IMO, anyone that initiated the violence or participated in it, unless in self-defense, should have been arrested for assault.

I don't think this should be a reflection on the Trump campaign because he doesn't have the luxury of picking and choosing who his supporters are. However, I can understand how some folks would view the video clips negatively and associate them with Trump.

On this we agree, MW!!

Trump on rally protester: ‘Maybe he should have been roughed up’

By Jenna Johnson and Mary Jordan November 22 at 3:29 PM
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Trump to black activist: 'Get him the hell out of here'

At a campaign event in Birmingham, Ala., on Saturday, Nov. 21, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump demands the removal of a well-known activist Mercutio Southall Jr. after he shouts, "Black lives matter!" (Reuters)

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. — Donald Trump said Sunday that the protester who interrupted his rally at a convention center here on Saturday morning was “so obnoxious and so loud” that “maybe he should have been roughed up.”

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Mercutio Southall Jr. — a well-known local activist who has been repeatedly arrested while fighting what he says is unfair treatment of blacks — interrupted Trump’s rally and could be heard shouting, “Black lives matter!” A fight broke out, prompting Trump to briefly halt his remarks and demand the removal of Southall.

“Get him the hell out of here, will you, please?” Trump said on Saturday morning. “Get him out of here. Throw him out!”

At one point, Southall fell to the ground and was surrounded by several white men who appeared to be kicking and punching him, according to video captured by CNN. A Washington Post reporter in the crowd watched as one of the men put his hands on Southall’s neck and heard a female onlooker repeatedly shout: “Don’t choke him!”

As security officers got Southall on his feet and led him out of the building, he was repeatedly pushed and shoved by people in the crowd. The crowd alternated between booing and cheering. There were chants of “All lives matter!”

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“Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing,” Trump said on the Fox News Channel on Sunday morning. “I have a lot of fans, and they were not happy about it. And this was a very obnoxious guy who was a trouble-maker who was looking to make trouble.”

That was a change in tone from just a month ago, when Trump would regularly tell his audiences not to harm the protesters who often infiltrate his rallies.

“Don’t hurt ’em,” Trump said at a rally in Miami on Oct. 23 as pro-immigration activists were led out. “You can get ’em out, but don’t hurt ’em.”

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Members of the Black Lives Matter Seattle chapter took the stage and forced Bernie Sanders to the side at an event in Seattle. One of the women, Marissa Janae Johnson, asked the crowd to “join us now in holding Bernie Sanders accountable” for not doing enough to address police brutality.


The Republican front-runner has long made provocative statements a hallmark of his campaign. Critics and rivals have said that Trump is stoking racial tension. Former Florida governor Jeb Bush said Trump’s comments about Islam are “manipulating people’s angst and their fears.”

Saturday’s racially charged altercation occurred in Birmingham, famous in the 1960s as a center of the civil rights struggle. The thousands who attended Trump’s rally were nearly all white in a city with a black majority.

Southall told the AL.com news site that the commotion started as he began recording himself and other protesters at the rally and saying that he wanted “Donald Trump to know he’s not welcome here.” Southall said someone knocked the phone out of his hand and made a racial slur. Then there was pushing and punches started flying, Southall told the news site.

A swarm of security officers quickly made their way through the crowd of several thousand, got Southall off the ground and walked him out of the building. Trump has had Secret Service protection since Nov. 11, and those who attend his rallies and political events must now walk through metal detectors and have their bags searched.

“He was so obnoxious and so loud, he was screaming,” Trump recounted in the Fox News interview on Sunday.

“I had 10,000 people in the room yesterday, 10,000 people, and this guy started screaming by himself.”

As Southall was removed Saturday, Trump recounted how Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders responded to Black Lives Matter activists who came onstage during an event earlier this year.

“You see, he was politically correct,” Trump said. “Two young women came up to the podium. They took over his microphone. I promise you, that’s not going to happen with me. I promise you. Never going to happen. Not going to happen. Can’t let that stuff happen.”

Before the fight broke out, Trump had warned the audience that Islamic State fighters might recruit their children online and called for an impenetrable wall along the southern border, prompting the crowd to chant: “Build a wall! Build a wall! Build a wall!” In his nearly hour-long speech, Trump listed graphic details of killings committed by people who had entered the country illegally, promised to bar Syrian refugees from living in the United States because they might be terrorists and called for heavy surveillance of “certain mosques.”

“I want surveillance of these people that are coming in, the Trojan horse. I want to know who the hell they are,” Trump said. “I don’t want the people from Syria coming in, because we don’t know who they are. We don’t know who they are. And I don’t want them coming in.”

Trump also said he watched as “thousands and thousands of people” in New Jersey cheered the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, giving the impression that he was talking about Muslims living in the United States being happy that so many Americans died in the attacks. Officials have repeatedly debunked these rumors. Trump stood by his comments during an interview on ABC News on Sunday, saying that the cheers came from the “large Arab populations” in New Jersey.

“It did happen. I saw it,” Trump said. “It was on television. I saw it.”

From the media area, reporters strained to see what was happening Saturday at the Trump event here in Birmingham. As CNN reporter Jeremy Diamond managed to make a video of the incident before Trump staff forced him back into the media pen. As the video circulated on social media that night, some of Trump’s supporters took to Twitter to call the protesters “thugs,” “Dem plants” and a variety of obscene names. Several wrote that the protesters opened themselves up to the possibility of violence by attending the rally.

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Trump grew agitated as reporters shifted their focus to the protesters and away from him and his thousands of supporters.

“Look at those bloodsuckers back there,” Trump said. “They’re turned around, and they’re following the people, right? Because you have a small group of people that made some noise and are being thrown out on their ass. Right?”

The crowd roared with cheers.

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