Thread: Trump supports completion of Dakota Access Pipeline

Originally Posted by Judy

Is there something specific that you believe isn't true? Just let me know what it is and I'll provide a link for you. Everything I posted except for PSR that I'd never heard of before is common knowledge.

Don't assume anything is common knowledge. Heck, even nntrixie said she didn't know anything about the pipeline. No, nothing regarding the Keystone pipeline is "common knowledge". To suggest that is to suggest that everyone knows everything about it, which just isn't true.

Oh okay. Here's a source for the Keystone Pipeline which is in operation serving Canadian oil producers and a 47 mile leg in Texas which is under construction and to come on line in 2017 serving Texas producers and the Keystone XL Pipeline which would serve US producers in Montana and Nebraska, is Phase IV and stalled awaiting approval by the President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline

Here's a link to the Dakota Access Pipeline which is 87% complete and serves US producers, getting oil from the Dakotas to a refinery in Illinois.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline

Originally Posted by Judy

Oh okay. Here's a source for the Keystone Pipeline which is in operation serving Canadian oil producers and a 47 mile leg in Texas which is under construction and to come on line in 2017 serving Texas producers and the Keystone XL Pipeline which would serve US producers in Montana and Nebraska, is Phase IV and stalled awaiting approval by the President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline

One who attempts to pass Wikipedia off as a factual based resource probably shouldn't go out of their way to criticize someone else's source. Just saying ......

What issue of fact do you feel is in dispute here, MW? Are you claiming the Keystone Pipeline is not in operation? Are you claiming the Nebraska Supreme Court did not approve the Keystone XL Pipeline? What facts in my post are you disputing?

the land in question was theirs under the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1851, which was signed by eight tribes and the U.S. government. Over the last century, tribes have challenged this treaty and others like it in court for not being honored or for taking their land.


“We have never ceded this land. If Dakota Access Pipeline can go through and claim eminent domain on landowners and Native peoples on their own land, then we as sovereign nations can then declare eminent domain on our own aboriginal homeland," Joye Braun of the Indigenous Environmental Network said in a prepared statement.


Energy Transfer could not be reached for comment.
Dave Archambault II, chairman of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe. said the proposed route should be changed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pipeline-dakotaaccess-idUSKCN12O2FN

Andrew Jackson off of our money for "trail of tears" so it is hypocritical to run a pipeline thru an Indian reservation they were FORCED to go to.....considered barren, unlivable, unfarmable AND they had to WALK THERE. They were earlier settlers than Europeans, thanks to the lands being joined at the Strait; USA not their native land either - but treaties should be honored. The land is their religion and as fate would have it, they possess remarkable land and have rights to where they were forced to go - in treaties.

Originally Posted by artist

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pipeline-dakotaaccess-idUSKCN12O2FN

Andrew Jackson off of our money for "trail of tears" so it is hypocritical to run a pipeline thru an Indian reservation they were FORCED to go to.....considered barren, unlivable, unfarmable AND they had to WALK THERE. They were earlier settlers than Europeans, thanks to the lands being joined at the Strait; USA not their native land either - but treaties should be honored. The land is their religion and as fate would have it, they possess remarkable land and have rights to where they were forced to go - in treaties.

artist, the pipeline isn't on Indian Reservation Land. It's near it, but not on it. The Sioux are worried that something will go wrong and contaminate a reservoir that the pipeline would lay under, it's Army Corps of Engineers territory which is why the pipeline company needs an easement from the US Army Corps of Engineers, not the Standing Rock Tribe.

Hopefully the Corps can find a different location that is less controversial.

Originally Posted by artist

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pipeline-dakotaaccess-idUSKCN12O2FN

Andrew Jackson off of our money for "trail of tears" so it is hypocritical to run a pipeline thru an Indian reservation they were FORCED to go to.....considered barren, unlivable, unfarmable AND they had to WALK THERE. They were earlier settlers than Europeans, thanks to the lands being joined at the Strait; USA not their native land either - but treaties should be honored. The land is their religion and as fate would have it, they possess remarkable land and have rights to where they were forced to go - in treaties.

Yes, our government has behaved badly and is still doing so. Again, I do have an opinion on this, or any, pipeline, as pipelines go, but I just believe it is a done deal and it is wrong to blame PE Trump.

We can't change the past - just as I don't believe P E Trump could change this

There were evidently others here when the Indians came -

I am certainly not indifferent to the history of the Indians. My husband's Great Grandmother died on the Trail of Tears. Taking Andrew Jackson's picture off the money won't change that.

All we can do is start from here and try to make sure those things don't happen again.

On the living room wall of my Grandmother's poor little house, hung pictures of 6 of her 7 sons who served in WWI and WW II.

My Mother's family goes back to the Revolutionary War, Texas Revolution, Civil War.

There are times I have serious questions about our government actions in all those wars - maybe Revolutionary War.

To me it's a shame that Native Americans who live on the reservation would rather do that than assimilate into our society. So many people from all over the world want to come here, yet Native Americans want to be separate. It's sad really. The Cherokee's made a fortune off the oil business, but the Sioux want to fight an oil pipeline that isn't even on their property.

Originally Posted by MW

Don't assume anything is common knowledge. Heck, even nntrixie said she didn't know anything about the pipeline. No, nothing regarding the Keystone pipeline is "common knowledge". To suggest that is to suggest that everyone knows everything about it, which just isn't true.

Well, actually, what I didn't know about was this new 'leg' or part of the pipeline that is being protested. I didn't know it was going to hook up with Keystone. Keystone is coming within a few miles of one place we owned in East Texas.

But then, 'even Trixie doesn't know' isn't a very good yardstick.

Texas may have all manner of things on the books to protect property owners, but there have been some pretty egregious things done in the name of eminent domain.

If you don't have the money to fight it, it is as if a law doesn't exist.
You know you can 'win' and loose, if you're broke when you get through with it.