Thread: TSA ejects man from airport for refusing security check

Originally Posted by manlyva153

OK, the current administration just granted 111 exemptions to the Health Care Bill (mostly to labor Unions, etc). When does the hypocrasy stop?

I didn't say stop the screenings, just go to one that is more "personal friendly". Take a lesson from other countries...

I recently listened to a gentleman who is married to a lady of Chinese decent and travels to China to visit her relatives. He said when you get off the plane or leave the airport in China you go up to a counter, they put you into a computer and then you leave with no harassment. Then when he gets off or back to America he is now going through all this new updated security in the Land of The Free.

Are you saying patriot that this person traveling to china goes through no security screening whatsoever when flying in china ?

You know I was wondering with the way things are, if you dressed up in a Muslim robe or hajib, and told them you are not going through the nudie scanner or the pat down for religious regions, would they just send you through the metal detector?

From the we won't fly group site.....



We will not be Treated like Criminals

We are opposed to the full-body backscatter x-ray airport scanners on grounds of health and privacy. We do not consent to strip searches, virtual or otherwise. We do not wish to be guinea pigs for new, and possibly dangerous, technology. We are not criminals. We are your customers. We will not beg the government anymore. We will simply stop flying until the porno-scanners are history.

We will not be abused simply for the privilege of purchasing your services. We demand the airlines make their maximum lobbying effort in support of our, your customers’, rights and liberties. We are eager to fly again, but only when this invasive threat has been contained.

This scanner technology has now spilled out of the airports and into the streets. Mobile scan machines may be taking x-rays of you on the way to work or while you drive out of town on vacation. Your kids may be getting x-rayed on the bus. Soon, dangerous backscatter x-ray technology may be everywhere. Resist! Not just passively, but actively with your voice, your vote, your feet and your dollars. Our future, and that of our children, is at stake.

For further information, contact James Babb at jamesbabb@mac.com 610-574-1222 or George Donnelly at george.donnelly@gmail.com 941-538-6399.

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This is from WND this thing is going virile!!!!!





WND RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINES
'If you touch my junk, I'll have you arrested'
Flier becomes instant folk hero for refusing airport molestation
Posted: November 14, 2010
7:00 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

CHICAGO - DECEMBER 23: A U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) employee pats-down a traveler (R) at O'Hare International Airport December 23, 2004 in Chicago, Illinois. The TSA has issued new guidelines regarding pat-downs and other screening techniques stating the security enhancements must be carried out appropriately. (Photo by Tim Boyle/Getty Images)

"I don't understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying," said 31-year-old John Tyner to a pair of Transportation Security Administration officials insisting on giving him a "groin check" before boarding his plane.

Tyner was scheduled to fly this weekend out of San Diego International Airport when he was pulled from the security line at the metal detectors and told he would be either subjected to one of the TSA's full-body scanners – which reveal a virtually nude image of passengers – or a full-body "pat-down," including an inspection of his inner thigh.

Discomforted by the invasive procedures and the thought of a security officer touching his genitals, Tyner made a joke that has since made him an instant Internet folk hero:

"If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested."

This time, pink slip the TSA's perverted gropers, oglers ...

Tyner's words have since resonated in dozens of online comments and thousands of views on YouTube, for the comment – and the controversial discussion that followed – was recorded by Tyner's cell phone.

Though the phone was with his belongings, and thus only caught audio of his confrontation with TSA officials, the camera's footage is posted on a blog Tyner created detailing the incident and viewable below, with his "touch my junk" comment and ensuing confrontation beginning at roughly the 3:45 mark:

(Story continues below)



For Tyner, however, his troubles had only begun when he threatened to have the TSA officer arrested.

A female supervisor was called over to handle "issue," and she promptly explained to Tyner that he had two choices: submit to the groin check or be escorted back out of the airport.

"I don't understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying," Tyner objected.

"This is not considered a sexual assault," the supervisor said.

Tyner replied, "It would be if you weren't the government."

Sign onto the petition demanding the suspension of the privacy-invading scans and pat-downs.

According to Tyner's account, he was eventually confronted by more senior TSA administrators and one San Diego police officer before being escorted back out of the security area to the ticket counter. To his amazement, American Airlines then refunded the price of his non-refundable ticket.

Before he could leave the airport, however, Tyner says a TSA employee insisted that if he left the airport, he would be subject to a civil suit and a $10,000 fine.

Nonetheless, Tyner left and then made his story public.

His blog repeats the refrain, "I would not be groped."

Tyner also told his story to the San Diego Union-Tribune:

"People generally are angry about what is going on," said Tyner, "but they don't know how to assert their rights. ... There is a general feeling that TSA is ineffective, out of control, over-reaching."

Though Tyner insists he's not trying to start a "movement," he nonetheless told the newspaper, "It's time to stop treating passengers like criminals and start treating them as assets."

Earlier this week WND reported as dozens of other airline passengers shared their real-life horror stories of close encounters of the TSA kind, including a 70-year-old whose fudge "contraband" was discovered, a Los Angeles passenger who was "groped" four times and a man who was the target of a TSA screaming fit when he chose to opt-out of the "porno scan."

Just a day earlier, WND reported on the growing movement by activists and citizens to push back against Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano's plans for "enhanced" screening at airport checkpoints.

A petition has been launched to tell President Obama, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and members of Congress all about the problem.

The petition targets the decision-makers in Washington who could bring the invasive procedures to a screeching halt.

"We, the undersigned, call for the immediate suspension of the enhanced security screening procedures and an apology to the American public by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano for directing the implementation of this ill-advised program," says the petition.

Concerns over the invasion of privacy by TSA scanners, described as voyeurism by critics, along with the "molestation" of the associated "enhanced" pat-downs and the health concerns from the blasts of radiation have now reached a critical mass.

As WND reported, groups have formed to organize passenger boycotts and prepare protests at airports, calling for a "National Opt-Out Day" on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

The options now are to have a full-body scan that essentially produces a nude image of the passenger or opt out of that procedure and endure a full-hands-on body pat-down that includes private parts.

The procedures have been the focus of warnings even by the networks:

George Donnelly, who with James Babb has launched the "We Won't Fly" website delivering a message directly to airlines, told WND the customer revolt is taking off faster than he could imagine.

His website says, "We do not consent to strip searches, virtual or otherwise. We do not wish to be guinea pigs for new, and possibly dangerous, technology. We are not criminals. We are your customers. We will not beg the government anymore. We will simply stop flying until the porno-scanners are history.

"We will not be abused simply for the privilege of purchasing your services. We demand the airlines make their maximum lobbying effort in support of our, your customers', rights and liberties. We are eager to fly again, but only when this invasive threat has been contained."

There also are dozens of other campaigns and efforts being organized through which passengers are encouraged to resist the TSA policy.

WND previously has reported that such imaging also is taking place on U.S. roads and highways.



http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=228133



Kathyet

Originally Posted by marquis

you have a VERY good point .... i know i for one would be BEYOND pissed if i had to go through that every single day just to get to my J-O-B ...and your right the workers DON'T have a choice , where else are people going to work in an economy like this ...

i'm leaning toward providing some sort of extra level of security clearence to people who work on the other side of security .. but to be honest this is more of an emotinal response on my part ... i can't give a reasoned argument about the pro's and con's of workers having to deal with that because i just feel it's too unfair ...

as to your point about other forms of transportaion and security requirments ... i think the reason A/C are targeted more often is that a bomb going off at alitude almost always results in a 100% kill ratio , where as other forms of tranpsoration might at least give victems the ablity to live through it ...

If isreal can screen all of it's passngers 100% without touching them , then i'm betting that they DON'T give passngers the choice to go through the nude o machine , or conversely the nude o machine maybe a new technology and we may shortly see isreal adopt it's use ..

As to the escilation of terroist tacitcs , if they get more creative , then it's likely that WE will get more creative , as has been the case thus far ...

things are starting to look like the security out of the movie TOTAL RECALL aren't they ?

Marquis - There are many ways to look at this. What worries me is that terrorist are crossing our borders every day and no one is doing anything about it. I wonder if we would be doing these screenings if we had a better handle on what was going on at our borders? Instead, our government is suing states like Arizona for trying to tell them..."Do your Job"!! Not sure with all the insanity that we are doing what is right for the American Citizens?

By the way, a terrorist getting his hands on a small plane can pack it with several hundred pounds of explosives and take out any target he/she wants. What scares me is that we are devoting so much resources to commercial Airports that we often overlook the obvious!!!

oh you won't get ANY argumet from me that right now the greatest threat to our country is coming from our unsecured borders rather than airline travel ... if illegal immgrants can get into our country AGAIN AND AGAIN ... then terrorists can easily set up shop here ...

3932 comments: so far on this man site.....simply amazing.....




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Kathyet

I agree with other poster about the border not being protected. I do not fly anymore because of the scanners but that is my choice.

Maybe the solution would be ; those who donot want to be scanned or patted down could go on seperat plane fights then those who do wish to be safe.

Those who choose not to be fully checked would need to sign a release form stating they are flying at their own risk and their families will not file any lawsuits in case of a terroist bomb exploding.

This would stop all the bickering and should be fairly easy to implement if so many people don't want to be fully searched.

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Originally Posted by marquis

Are you saying patriot that this person traveling to china goes through no security screening whatsoever when flying in china ?

I am saying that is what he said. Also, he said that when he returns to the US he's with Asians and they are not subjected to the body scanner or the groping by the TSA only him.

He was a caller on the Alex Jones radio show about three days ago and very upset about the contrast of China and the US.

The last time I flew it was 1993 from Logan to Jacksonville, FL and there was no security then at all. Just get on the plane and get off.

There were terrorist attacks back then like the Twin Towers, but some how planes were not subject to all this take your shoes off, etc.

Oh well, I agree that people have a choice and mine is to drive.