Thread: The ultimate insult to our nation,

A day without Americans - April 17, 2006!

In response to the recent mass national rallies fearlessly staged by the illegal alien lobby, The Dustin Inman Society is suggesting that Americans nationwide stay home from work and not spend any money on April 17. 2006 - income tax day.

The country and its government needs to witness a day without Americans.

It is not an overstatement to observe that the federal government has abandoned the American people and we teeter on the brink of national suicide.

The well-funded illegal alien lobby has been successful in galvanizing the millions of illegal aliens in the nation to march in American streets demanding no less than open borders, continued selective law enforcement and amnesty for people who should be in fear of apprehension and deportation.

It has also galvanized many Americans who are seeing for the first time the true nature and result of our intentionally unsecured borders.

Enough!

The message to the U. S. government and the world is that another amnesty for illegals is tantamount to erasing any pretense of a nation of secure borders, rule of law and a common language. Amnesty - by any name - does not stop illegal immigration.

We have reached the point in our national history at which we as a nation must choose whether to resist …or to wave the white flag of surrender.

We are suggesting that Americans who do not work in medical, law enforcement or emergency capacities stay home from work on April 17 and that we, as a united people, reply to the government that has refused to protect us by refraining from spending any money. Those who have nothing to fear from violating any law that is not beneficial to them are not the only group with power in these United States.

We are demanding that the American government offer the same protection in the United States that the Mexican government provides its people.

This is our country. We dishonor our grandfathers if we do not try to protect the republic that was lovingly passed on to us.

A national day of public opposition to illegal immigration April 17, 2006 !

Originally Posted by Rockfish

All we have is our voting process to stop this madness, but even that is now threatened since the State of New York is considering letting all illegals vote in the upcoming elections. That will undermine any influence as law abidding citizens that we have. Any thing else like faxes as phone calls won't do any good. So, what are we left with?

New York CANNOT legally grant voting rights to illegals -- aliens, legal or illegal ARE NOT entitled to the privileges of citizenship.

Maybe we should DEMAND New York allows us to vote, we are CITIZENS of the United States after all. If New York would allow me to vote in their election, I would not vote for Clinton.

uhhh...wouldn't they have to nullify the US Constitution in order to allow illegals to vote..?? And if they allow illegals to vote, then how about folks from out of state?

RR

04/11/06: There is a thread posted now where it talks about illegals voting
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004957.htm

In Florida, a Democrat named Rafael Velasquez was able to run for state office despite admitting that he voted twice in the 1990s before obtaining U.S. citizenship. Under Florida election laws, voting as a noncitizen can be prosecuted as a felony. Velasquez said he voted in the 1996 presidential election and the 1998 Florida gubernatorial race because of a "misunderstanding." The candidate claimed that he informed election officials that he was a resident alien, but that they let him vote anyway. Miami-Dade County elections records, however, contradicted Velasquez's characterization of his illegal votes as clerical errors. According to The Miami Herald, the documents showed that he falsely claimed to be a citizen (he was not naturalized until May 2001). Yet, no charges were filed against him, and his illegal votes did not disqualify him from running for public office. Belying the din of "disenfranchisement," the state of Florida seems all too willing to hand over voting privileges to those who don't deserve them.

According to The Miami Herald, the documents showed that he falsely claimed to be a citizen (he was not naturalized until May 2001).

impersonating a citizen of the U.S. is in itself a felony --- but we have a lot of politicians impersonating Americans, that's why we have so many problems and corruption

While I don't have first hand knowledge about the general care of VA hospital's around the nation, I can say without reservation that the care that my late father received at the San Diego VA hospital was topflite.

Not only did the VA acknowledge his condition was caused by a series of WWII wounds, they acknowledged that he should have been a 100% disabled Vet about twenty years earlier and payed him for those twenty years. A sizable sum. They modified his Van for a wheel chair, provided him with a nurse and a home maintenance person for my mom, to help clean her house, and they now pay her a nice monthly survivor's benefit and free medical care.

After working for the federal government for thirty four years, I can safely say that all large government systems have systemic problems but then so do private institutions. HMO's are probably the best example, some are good, others are very poor.

If we are looking for improvement in these systems, then we have to reprioritize out National budgeting process and get rid of pork barrel spending. Possibly giving the President a line item veto to curtail this unwanted spending. I would also expect us to back away from attempting to protect and defend the world, it aint' gonna happen.

Unless we want our taxes to rise and our national debt to reach astronomical proportions, we need to go back to economics class and accounting to learn to live within our collective National Budget. It is actually simple, don't spend more than you earn. Our tax rate is the lowest of almost all highly industrialized nations and don't look for socialized medicine, it doesn't work either. Look at the French problems with labor and the English with their issues.

Addendum: This immigration issue is not new. If you examine records collected at the beginning of the century, we had an even worse problem then, with immigrants streaming in from Russia, Southern and Northern Europe, Ireland and from the Latin American nations. The problem statistically was even worse, but we dealt with it by establishing Ellis Island and screening the people. I know, my Grandmother came from Italy that way, with her family. Fences, like the Maginot line, are a testament to man's stupidity. If we can climb natures mountains, then we can overcome any barrier made by man. The issue is to assist foreign countries in making their life better, and then the immigrants will want to stay home. Couple that with a screening system and you might get a handle on the issue. Emotions won't solve this problem, intelligent thinkiing will. Ten of most successful software companies in this nation were started by immigrants. Nuclear Power was developed by immigrants like Enrico Fermi, Hans Betha and others. I suggest we look at immigrants as a valuable resource and figure out how to best utilize their talents. Another point, according to geneticist, even the Native Americans are immigrants, they just started the process earlier.

This commentary won't set well with most of you. But once emotions settle down, then we can put our intellects together and solve the issue. But a caveat, The issue of immigrants has plagued great nations since the Greeks and the Romans. They didn't solve the problem, most likely we won't either.

Regards,
PaTime

I will agree with PaTime that not *all* VA hospitals are bad. But there are far too many that are. What troubles many though is that in many illegals are getting better health care then most of the legal citizens can even afford and that is just flat wrong.

As to immigration in and of itself. I have absolutely no problem with legal immigration. Its when people flood or borders in chaotic human waves. There is no point in having borders at all if you have no intentions of maintaining them. This country was built on immigration but the country is now built with a fully functioning society from coast to coast. This is no longer the tidal wave to civilize the great west with wagon trains of poeple looking for land ownership. To me there is no real comparison of the early days where the country still had not become a full 50 United States.

I agree, intelligent thinking needs to prevail but first we need to retain the laws otherwise lawlessness prevails. When I hear on TV illegals yelling "no borders" then there can be no sovereignty to our nation. We are not "NORTH AMERICA" we are "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". We are not here to bail everyone out of their problems when we are not even taking care of our own as well as we should be. The massed majority of the aid we have sent to Mexico was utterly wasted by their totally corrupt government and they are basicly waging an economic and cultural war with the USA through illegal immigration, and have even admitted it. We cannot help countries out like Mexico until their government is thrown out.

Lets keep in mind the core of the problem.. illegals are draining away the resources of this country and raping its economy. Legal citizens, at least the vast majority do not. We have a process in place to become a legal citizen but the vast majority of illegals wont use it and instead try and cheat the system which basicly insults those that DID COME HERE LEGALY and that became productive citizens.

Thanks.

Again, let's remove media hype and a few dissolutioned and infantile marchers who, if they weren't marching against immigration, would be stealing cars or worse. Let's look at some facts.

1. According to the Federal Reserve, there will be a shortage of workers by 2026, of around 20 Million. If so, where do these workers come from?

2. According to this same Federal Reserve, a shortage of workers will and can lead to inflation.

3. The foreign-born population (in 2000) is 9.5 % compared to 22.7 in Australia, 16 % in Canada, 6.3% in France;7.3 in Germany; 3.9% in Great Britain and 5.7% in Sweden.

4. Immigration as a percentage of the population is relatively low compared to the early portion of the century. The Rate of U.S immigration is a third less than it was in the peak years.

5. 10 High Tech Companies started by immigrants earned $31 Billion dollars in Revenue in 2002. The average education of new immigrants has been increasing with each generation.

6. Public records on taxes, show illegal aliens contribute as much as they receive in benefits. They pay 46% in taxes and use about 45% in services. Most respected economist who study this subject have clearly stated that both legal and illegal immigrants are beneficial economically.

Most immigrants arriving in the U.S. , do so in their prime working years. They are usually over 18 years of age. Simply put, they have already had their primary education paid for by the citizens of their former country, not by Americans. Economic benefits of this fact indicate a windfall of 1.43 Trillion dollars to our economy.

Are their serious issues to resolve, yes indeed. Are we addressing intelligently? Nope. Maybe this uproar, will motivate our legislators to take concrete action to improve the system and control the issue. But be careful what you wish for, it might come true.

Addendum: Be careful about what Lou Dobbs tells you. While he does have an Economics degree from Harvard, he was born in England. He fully supports protectionism, which is severely outdated and favors immigration reduction. That is a strange attitude for a Harvard educated Economics person. I am not saying he is totally wrong, but he has an agenda as do all political and media pundits. He is commonly referred to as a " populist conservatist. Go to the Federal Reserve website, immigration service and other agencies and read the facts. Read economics magazine and other documents; original primary documents. Ask questions of your legislators like I do. Get involved and make your voice and opinion heard, intelligently. Active, well conceived descent is the strength of this nation. It has stopped wars, I can vouch for that. Emotional ramblings by pundits will not solve the issue but will cloud or mask real issues that need resolving like the War in Iraq.

Regards,
PaTime[/quote]

I think VA hosptials are just like other hospitals-- understaffed and over filled. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to in recent weeks who have had some pretty strange things happen in hosptials that should never have happened. Infections, blood clots, and things left inside them by accident. And I know people who use VA as well as private hospitals.

I think we can thank our sorry health care system for that.

I appreciate all of the statistics but several points I think are missing,

How does their taxes vs services drain compare to legal citizens? The average birth rate of illegals is higher then their own country by 50%. How are those kids being paid for when their parents are illegals? As of 2004 the number of babies being born to immigrants outnumbered the immigration levels, especially in the Hispanic community and there is no logical explanation to show they are paying for those kids without serious assistance from our taxes especially when many of them are affording new houses and cars.

The language barrier is another area of serious concern and is already causing serious splintering of our culture, as has happened with other nations, the most recent news notable country being Canada. Some of the leaders of the pro-illegal immigrant movement are stating that "English" will be required with thier amnesty directives but I know that is nothing but a feel good smoke screen considering that many illegals have flat refused to even attempt to learn English after being in our country for years and even decades.

We need to keep this discussion split IMHO between legals and illegals. Legals are not draining our economy in nearly the numbers that illegals are and no statistics can prove otherwise as most illegals are not tracked, documented, or counted due to fear of being caught. Many also send their most of their money back to Mexico which further hurts our economy. I cannot see how any economist can know of all the funds that are not on the books due to under the table pay and behind the scenes or even black market transactions. Unless the economists are privy to *all* financials that are being effected by this situation they cannot have a true and accurate presentation of the facts especially when I see nothing above noting the cost in free medical care inbalance due to illegals not having the money (which is why they are here) to pay for medical care. If most legal citizens cant pay for good medical care then there is no possibly way illegals can, at least not legaly or without seriously causing us health care debts.

Thanks.