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    Walker privately reassures ally: 的知 not going nativist; I知 still pro-immigration"

    Scott Walker privately reassures ally: 的知 not going nativist; I知 still pro-immigration

    POSTED AT 2:41 PM ON JULY 2, 2015 BY ALLAHPUNDIT

    Is this news? Nothing he told Stephen Moore in this account is strictly inconsistent with what he said a few months ago about reducing legal immigration as president. Walker was careful at the time to say that was something he wanted to look at, to see if current legal immigration levels are depressing wages and should be adjusted accordingly. He didn稚 commit to anything, although he got plenty of excited buzz among the conservative voters he痴 wooing for daring to raise the possibility. Even if he had committed to new limits, anything short of a total moratorium could, I suppose, be considered 菟ro-immigration. Maybe he was BSing Moore.

    Or maybe he痴 BSing us. Between his previous agonizing immigration flip-flop-flipping, his well-timed reversal on ethanol in Iowa, and his sudden rediscovery of social conservatism, I don稚 really believe anything Walker says anymore. He痴 the most conspicuous panderer among the field痴 top candidates. If there痴 anyone running who might be telling voters one thing in the name of getting elected while telling donors and establishment allies another, it痴 him. So make of this what you will:

    Stephen Moore, a conservative scholar at the Heritage Foundation who backs an immigration overhaul, called Mr. Walker痴 embrace of a border security first approach 殿 lurch to the right and probably something very popular among Iowa conservative voters.


    Mr. Moore said he had become concerned about Mr. Walker痴 stance in recent weeks, but was reassured after a phone call with the Wisconsin governor.


    滴e said, 選知 not going nativist; I知 pro-immigration,樗 Mr. Moore recalled of the conversation


    Mr. Moore also said he was not convinced that Mr. Walker was quite the immigration hawk as he may appear now. Rather, he called the governor痴 positioning 殿 work in progress.

    Walker痴 spokesman told the Times that he痴 渡ot for amnesty and believes border security should happen before a path to legal status is granted. Why a guy who痴 supposedly leery about more legal immigration would want a path to legalization for illegals who are already here is unclear to me, but there you go. I think the best you can say for him at this point is that, a la Obama and gay marriage circa 2008, it痴 pretty clear what his true feelings are despite what he might be saying at any given moment. The man is, undoubtedly, a social conservative even if he did choose to strategically duck pronouncements on hot-button issues over the last few years in Wisconsin. Case in point: WaPo reported last week that he recently lost the support of a billionaire donor after getting into an argument with him about gay marriage. If Walker were intent on pandering in every situation, he would have told that donor that he痴 secretly rooting for Justice Kennedy and then cashed the guy痴 check. He didn稚. On the other hand, if it痴 all too clear what Walker痴 true social views are, it痴 also clear how he really feels about immigration. He spent the last decade endorsing a path to citizenship; he once suggested, on camera, with a presidential run already on the horizon, that he thought illegal immigration could be solved not so much with more security but by making it easier for illegals to come here legally. Suddenly he reads a few Jeff Sessions speeches and he痴 a border hawk conveniently at the very moment that he痴 competing for conservative votes in a GOP presidential primary? C知on. President Walker will be no better than a Bush on immigration and deep down we all know it.


    Exit question: Who痴 pandering to donors harder about amnesty behind closed doors, Walker or Marco Rubio? Re-read this post before you answer.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/0...o-immigration/
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    Are any of you surprised by this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALIPAC View Post
    Are any of you surprised by this?

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    NOT ME.
    On 6/28/15 I posted this comment about Walker:



    A flip-flopping politician is like a cheating spouse.


    You already know what they are.

    You just have to wait for the next time.

    @ http://www.alipac.us/f9/donald-trump...ay-u-s-320744/
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    Walker, the typical modern republican says what makes points today with no aforethought about whether he will/can stand by what he said. One of those worse than the ones who sold pigs in pokes last election. Remember that?

    He is pro corporatism all the way!
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    So, Walker supports both free trade treason and more immigration when what our country needs is protected/fair trade and at least a 10 Year Moratorium on immigration.
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    Walker’s spokesman told the Times that he’s “not for amnesty” and believes border security should happen before a path to legal status is granted.


    Keep in mind that these words are actually coming from a spokesman, not Walker himself.

    Suddenly he reads a few Jeff Sessions speeches and he’s a border hawk — conveniently at the very moment that he’s competing for conservative votes in a GOP presidential primary?
    These words are what help me keep some faith in Walker because previous articles have said he had an in-depth discussion on the issue with anti-illegal immigrant hawks like Sen. Sessions and Gov. Greg Abbott. Nothing has been said about speeches he's read. Even Sen. Sessions has said that Walker was on the right track. This article sounds like an opinionated hit piece with a lot of guesswork to me. Time will tell. If walker ends up not being the man we need, I'll back away from him quickly. No, correct that, I'll run away. However, it'll take recent words from his own mouth to convince me , not a hit piece from someone who obviously doesn't like him. My eyes and ears on on him, not his so-called spokesman.

    I'm open to suggestion. Exactly who is it we should support?



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    EXCLUSIVE–NEW YORK TIMES DEBUNKED: SCOTT WALKER’S ‘I’M NOT GOING NATIVIST’ CONVERSATI

    EXCLUSIVE–NEW YORK TIMES DEBUNKED: SCOTT WALKER’S ‘I’M NOT GOING NATIVIST’ CONVERSATION NEVER HAPPENED

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    by MATTHEW BOYLE3 Jul 2015Washington, DC1044

    A conversation about immigration between Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and the Heritage Foundation’s Stephen Moore, reported on by the New York Times this week, never happened.

    “We have spoken with Stephen Moore and the conversation that was reported did not happen and he will tell you that. I would recommend you reach out to him,” Walker spokeswoman AshLee Strong told Breitbart News on Thursday in response to an article by Jonathan Martin and Maggie Haberman.

    On Thursday, the reporters wrote: “Stephen Moore, a conservative scholar at the Heritage Foundation who backs an immigration overhaul, called Mr. Walker’s embrace of a border-security-first approach ‘A lurch to the right and probably something very popular among Iowa conservative voters.’”

    “But Mr. Moore also said he was not convinced that Mr. Walker was quite the immigration hawk as he may appear now,” the Times added. “Rather, he called the governor’s positioning ‘a work in progress.’”

    Then the newspaper wrote: “Mr. Moore said he had become concerned about Mr. Walker’s stance [on immigration] in recent weeks, but was reassured after a phone call with the Wisconsin governor,” then quoted Moore himself recounting what Walker supposedly said.

    He said, ‘I’m not going nativist; I’m pro-immigration,’” Moore said Gov. Walker said.
    But Walker’s presidential campaign insists that conversation never happened, so Breitbart News reached out to Moore for more information.

    Moore confirms that there was no phone call between him and Walker. What actually happened, he says, is a bit more murky and confusing—much different from what theTimes says happened.

    “Here’s what happened, I’m on this group with Larry Kudlow and Art Laffer called the Committee to Unleash Prosperity,” Moore told Breitbart News.

    We had Scott Walker a few months ago for a dinner. So here’s the miscommunication: I didn’t have the conversation with the governor. Larry went down there. We’ve got this group, and Larry had a conversation with Scott Walker on immigration stuff—and what he told me because we all work together is that Scott Walker is still pro-growth. Our whole thing is on growth. We don’t have to worry about him voting for skilled immigrants coming into the country and that kind of thing. I think the whole thing has been kind of taken out of context. From our point of view, Scott Walker is going to be pro-growth on immigration.


    But Kudlow, in a phone interview on Friday evening with Breitbart News, said that’s not what happened, either.

    “I spoke with Governor Walker, I don’t know, it must have been a month ago,” Kudlow said.

    It was in Madison, Wisconsin, as his request. We had a long meeting—several hours—and we discussed several issues across the board. It was a strictly private meeting, the details of which I’ve shared with no one. No one. I want to be very clear about that. It was between the governor and myself. No one. Not Steve Moore. Not the New York Times. Nobody. It was a private conversation and off the record.

    But there was no phone call between Moore and Walker about this matter—despite theTimes report—Moore confirmed. Moore told Breitbart News:

    No, no that didn’t happen. I did not have a conversation with Walker. It was my mistake. I kind of miscommunicated this to this reporter. What I really meant to say is that Larry did. And when Larry had the conversation, we felt that he was going to be just fine and not going to be a problem on immigration. Everybody is kind of making a mountain out of a mole hill here. It was basically just—our objective at the Committee to Unleash Prosperity is to promote policies that will make the American economy grow faster. That’s all we’re about and so that’s all we really talked to the governor about, was what are the policies that make the economy grow faster? And Walker was at the dinner meeting and also at the thing with Larry solid. I’m a big supporter of his.

    “I have to talk to the reporter—I have to call him today and say, ‘Look I think you misunderstood what I was saying,’” Moore added. “What I was talking about was based on this meeting that Larry had.”

    What really happened, according to Moore, was that Walker had a meeting with Kudlow, not with Moore.

    “I was talking to Larry and he reported back to us because I asked, ‘Well how did the meeting go?’ and he said ‘We talked a lot about a lot of issues,’” Moore told Breitbart News. “This was right about the time this immigration issue had sprung up, and Larry was like ‘Oh, he’s going to be with us on immigration.’”

    Kudlow told Breitbart News, however, that he told Moore no such things from his conversation with Walker.
    “No. That is just not true,” Kudlow said when Breitbart News read Moore’s quote back to him over the phone.

    The only thing I might have said to Steve and Art is that I talked to the governor about a lot of issues. I made no definitive statements on taxes, immigration, trade, nothing. Look this was a private meeting. A guy asks you in and it was a private off the record meeting, you keep it private and off the record. The only thing I can confirm is that I probably said to Steve we talked about a lot of issues. Nothing more.


    When asked if Walker said in the conversation with Kudlow—the quote Moore told theNew York Times,“I’m not going nativist, I’m pro-immigration”— Moore told Breitbart News he’s unsure.

    “I don’t know. I wasn’t at that meeting, so I don’t know exactly what he said. I’m sort of saying what Larry Kudlow told me about the meeting,” Moore said.

    Kudlow told Breitbart News he will not reveal publicly here–just as he says he has not to anyone else–the details of the conversation with Walker.

    “I haven’t done it with anybody and I’m not going to start now,” Kudlow said.

    Scott Walker is a friend. I don’t know what Steve was thinking or where he was going with that. But that’s you know—there’s no there there. I can report nothing to you. I’m always helpful to Breitbart. I love Breitbart. In fact, I was one of the first people to put [Andrew] Breitbart on TV many years ago. I help you guys whenever I can. But this is all I can say to you. There’s nothing more there.


    This matters, because the biggest and most significant thing Walker has done on his lead up to launching his campaign has been rethinking his position on immigration.

    He joined the last two winners of the Iowa Republican caucuses—former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, both of whom are running again now—by tapping into strong economic populism that has faded from the Republican Party under the leadership of people like Ryan and his fellow failure and 2012 top-of-the-ticket running mate Mitt Romney.

    Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
    and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have also been pushing the party away from the voter base toward the donor class, and Walker has been somewhat caught in the crossfire between the two different camps. At different times on different issues, he’s shown a propensity to side with either or both.

    Moore himself has written in favor of looser immigration laws.

    “Republicans and conservatives might want to coalesce around a position of tight welfare and generous immigration rules,” Moore, a member of the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board, wrote in the Journal in 2013. “That is something Milton Friedman would no doubt regard as the ideal outcome. As another late great economist—William Niskanen, a member of President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers and chairman of the Cato Institute—once put it: ‘Better to build a wall around the welfare state than the country.’”

    Despite the fact that he admits not having had a conversation with Walker, Moore insists the governor isn’t simply saying one thing to one side and the public and another to the other behind closed doors.

    “I think that’s what he [the Times reporter] was trying to imply—that he’s saying one thing to me, and another thing to other conservative groups,” Moore tells Breitbart News. “I don’t think that’s a fair characterization at all.”

    It would certainly help if Walker was more forthcoming—and his team was clearer in answering the questions that come their way—but they’re not. The Times didn’t respond to a request for comment for this story.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ise-questions/


    Just as I thought, an obvious hit piece that was not actually based on words from Gov. Scott Walker. This looks like it may be a perfect example of folks jumping the gun before the real facts are in.

    Thank you, Newmexican, for finding and posting this.
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    I'm glad the New York Times got that cleared up.
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