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    WE HAVE PROOF BUSH AIN'T ALL THERE IMPEACH!

    Bush finally done it folks............he's cracked...............
    now we need to IMPEACH HIM..........WE HAVE PROOF OF IT.
    HE CALLS THIS A STEP TOWARDS PEACE.


    Rubble is all that remains of much of Beirut's southern suburbs after a week of relentless Israeli airstrikes. Hezbollah, which still controls the area, allowed journalists to enter one neighborhood to take pictures. (Travis Fox/washingtonpost.com)

    In Mideast Strife, Bush Sees a Step To Peace
    By Michael AbramowitzWashington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, July 21, 2006; Page A01
    President Bush's unwillingness to pressure Israel to halt its military campaign in Lebanon is rooted in a view of the Middle East conflict that is sharply different from that of his predecessors.
    When hostilities have broken out in the past, the usual U.S. response has been an immediate and public bout of diplomacy aimed at a cease-fire, in the hopes of ensuring that the crisis would not escalate. This week, however, even in the face of growing international demands, the White House has studiously avoided any hint of impatience with Israel. While making it plain it wants civilian casualties limited, the administration is also content to see the Israelis inflict the maximum damage possible on Hezbollah.
    As the president's position is described by White House officials, Bush associates and outside Middle East experts, Bush believes that the status quo -- the presence in a sovereign country of a militant group with missiles capable of hitting a U.S. ally -- is unacceptable.
    The U.S. position also reflects Bush's deepening belief that Israel is central to the broader campaign against terrorists and represents a shift away from a more traditional view that the United States plays an "honest broker's" role in the Middle East.
    In the administration's view, the new conflict is not just a crisis to be managed. It is also an opportunity to seriously degrade a big threat in the region, just as Bush believes he is doing in Iraq. Israel's crippling of Hezbollah, officials also hope, would complete the work of building a functioning democracy in Lebanon and send a strong message to the Syrian and Iranian backers of Hezbollah.
    "The president believes that unless you address the root causes of the violence that has afflicted the Middle East, you cannot forge a lasting peace," said White House counselor Dan Bartlett. "He mourns the loss of every life. Yet out of this tragic development, he believes a moment of clarity has arrived."
    One former senior administration official said Bush is only emboldened by the pressure from U.N. officials and European leaders to lead a call for a cease-fire. U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan demanded yesterday that the fighting in Lebanon stop.
    "He thinks he is playing in a longer-term game than the tacticians," said the former official, who spoke anonymously so he could discuss his views candidly. "The tacticians would say: 'Get an immediate cease-fire. Deal first with the humanitarian factors.' The president would say: 'You have an opportunity to really grind down Hezbollah. Let's take it, even if there are other serious consequences that will have to be managed.' "
    Jack Rosen, chairman of the American Jewish Congress, said Bush's statements reflect an unambiguous view of the situation. "He doesn't seem to allow his vision to be clouded in any way," said Rosen, a Democrat who has come to admire Bush's Middle East policy. "It follows suit. Israel is in the right. Hezbollah is in the wrong. Terrorists have to be eliminated, and he sees Israel fighting the war he would fight against terrorism."
    Many Mideast experts warn that there is a dangerous consequence to this worldview. They believe that Israel, and the United States by extension, is risking serious trouble if it continues with the punishing air strikes that are producing mounting casualties. The history of the Middle East is replete with examples of the limits of military power, they say, noting how the Israeli campaign in Lebanon in the early 1980s helped create the conditions for the rise of Hezbollah.
    They warned that the military campaign is turning mainstream Lebanese public opinion against Israel rather than against Hezbollah, which instigated the violence. The attacks also make it more difficult for the Lebanese government to regain normalcy. And what seems now to be a political winner for the president -- the House overwhelmingly approved a resolution yesterday backing Israel's position -- could become a liability if the fighting expands to Syria or if the United States adds Lebanon to Iraq and Afghanistan as a country to which U.S. troops are deployed.
    "There needs to be a signal that the Bush administration is prepared to do something," said Larry Garber, the executive director the New Israel Fund, which pushes for civil rights and justice in Israel. "Taking a complete hands-off, casual-observer position undermines our credibility. . . . There is a danger that we will be seen as simply doing Israel's bidding."
    Robert Malley, who handled Middle East issues on the National Security Council staff for President Bill Clinton, voiced skepticism about whether the current course would pay off for either Israel or the United States. "It may not succeed with all the time in the world, and Hezbollah could emerge with its dignity intact and much of its political and military arsenal still available," said Malley, who monitors the region for the International Crisis Group. "What will you have gained?"
    Those who know Bush say his view of the conflict was shaped by several formative experiences -- in particular the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, which made fighting terrorism the central mission of his presidency. Another formative experience was a helicopter ride over the West Bank with Ariel Sharon in 1998, when Bush was Texas governor -- a ride he later said showed him Israel's vulnerability. The cause of Israel has been championed by many of the evangelical Christians who make up a significant chunk of the president's political base.
    Bush and his team were also deeply skeptical of the Middle East policy of the previous administration, and of what they see as an excessive devotion to a peace process in which one of the protagonists, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, was not seriously invested. Explaining the reluctance to push quickly for a cease-fire, one senior administration official who was not authorized to speak on the record indicated a belief that premature diplomacy might leave Hezbollah in a position of strength.
    "We don't want the kind of truce that will lead to another conflict," said this official, who added that, when the time comes, "you will see plenty of diplomacy."
    Fred S. Zeidman, a Texas venture capitalist who is active in Jewish affairs and has been close to the president for years, said the current crisis shows the depth of the president's support for Israel. "He will not bow to international pressure to pressure Israel," Zeidman said. "I have never seen a man more committed to Israel."

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    ruthiela,

    That's terrible. Looks like ground Zero. I would hate it, if that were my home and my government engaging in war because the aftermath is so unpleasant.

    We know Bush is not a diplomat. Also, I don’t think anyone has officially asked for assistance.

    I want to offer this and please don't get too upset over this.

    Time and time again, we have stepped into the middle east crisis. For decades we have intervened. Time and time again, they pretend to make peace but actually refuse to settle their differences. Therefore, I say let them fight it out.

    If they want to pound on one another, then let them do it, until there is only two of them left and they will have to marry. We have tried so hard and for so long trying to convince them to "be good neighbors to one another". Frankly, we can't do it, so they must do it.

    Also, let them go at it, until their citizens tell them to stop. If they get a good ugly dose of reality and what fighting a long war is all about, then they will not be so inclined to pick fights in the future.

    Simply put, they started it so let them finish it and it's not our concern until asked. I also pray that only good comes of this spat and with minimal loss of innocent lives.

    My hope is that all Americans make it safely home.

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    what I think

    as far as impeaching Bush they will never do it because to many in DC are of like mind. Greedy ego maniacs! We have long ago ceased to have a government for and by the people! Big business is behind the wheel and we are just bugs on the whindshield!
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    I don't know if you know, this is where the terrorists are hidding their arsenal of bombs etc..., yes inside of the people's homes and what was worse they didn't allowed the people to evacuate because they needed a human shield in order to hide their bombs, and what can be better than a house full of people also children ? I heard this from a person who has relatives over there. I don't know why they didn't report this on the
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    Minnie,

    this is where the terrorists are hidding their arsenal of bombs etc..., yes inside of the people's homes and what was worse they didn't aloowed the people to evacuate because they needed a human shield in order to hide their bombs, and what can be better than a house full of people also children
    2 News shows that I heard, I think it was 2 days ago, MSNBC and either FOX or CNN, mentioned that Hezbollah pays 'rent' for missle storage space, and that the people, in the home and neighborhood, all know it.

    Again, I'll try to find this in print and post here if I do.
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    As the president's position is described by White House officials, Bush associates and outside Middle East experts, Bush believes that the status quo -- the presence in a sovereign country of a militant group with missiles capable of hitting a U.S. ally -- is unacceptable.
    The U.S. position also reflects Bush's deepening belief that Israel is central to the broader campaign against terrorists and represents a shift away from a more traditional view that the United States plays an "honest broker's" role in the Middle East.
    Hey guys, ever consider that he backing Israel so we can sneak into Iran through the back door. He can always say - well, we didn't attack Iran, they attacked our allies, and we have to help our allies.

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    I don't think he is going to go into Iran, although I think it's a very dangerous and difficult time, his approval is very low and I don't believe congress is going to give him the green sign, I think it's also difficult because , can you imagine Iran with a nuclear bomb ? We have already North Korea.... This whole thing is a mess....

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    This whole thing is a mess....
    and that IS exactly how Bush wants it. Are we distracted enough yet so they can make their end run here?

    Once this nation goes the rest of the world will fall. KEEP that in mind. As for impeaching him what would you accomplish? Look who would take his place.

    That entire batch of lunatics in the administration needs to be marched out of their respective offices and into quantonimo. They are the terrorist.
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    I, personally, am all for impeaching the shrub.

    However, we also need to impeach his sidekick that doesn't know how to shoot.

    Then we should start a recall on most of congress.

    Did I leave anyone out?

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