Thread: We must find a way to make peace between two groups....

may i inject something here...i do believe that when it comes to laying your life on the line for military service in exchange for US citizenship...that there will be few illegals with the character to want to serve...and that those who would serve will most likely be the ones who will assimilate into the USA. I am in no way for an amnesty in fact i would like to see the doors shut for at least 5 years to any new immigration and/or new legal foreign workers.

If you look up the top 10 US states with the highest number of illegals...then look up the top 10 US states with the highest number of unemployed, you will see that 7 out of 10 those 2 sets of numbers are almost identical...which means that illegals ARE replacing US citizens in the workplace..they are the cause that US citizens are being laid off. When you couple that with illegal aliens who own companies who hire only illegals...both employees and illegal owner NONE of whom pay taxes...the illegal companies put legal companies who do pay taxes out of biz.

Originally Posted by bamissfa

may i inject something here...i do believe that when it comes to laying your life on the line for military service in exchange for US citizenship...that there will be few illegals with the character to want to serve...and that those who would serve will most likely be the ones who will assimilate into the USA. I am in no way for an amnesty in fact i would like to see the doors shut for at least 5 years to any new immigration and/or new legal foreign workers.

If you look up the top 10 US states with the highest number of illegals...then look up the top 10 US states with the highest number of unemployed, you will see that 7 out of 10 those 2 sets of numbers are almost identical...which means that illegals ARE replacing US citizens in the workplace..they are the cause that US citizens are being laid off. When you couple that with illegal aliens who own companies who hire only illegals...both employees and illegal owner NONE of whom pay taxes...the illegal companies put legal companies who do pay taxes out of biz.

Doesn't matter how assimilated they are, the point is they're here illegally, PERIOD. There is a waiting line to get into this country legally and everyone must abide by the rules. Romney wants to give a pass to those who want to join the military, you can call it what you want, but that's AMNESTY. He's a traitor to this country for even suggesting such an idea. But alas, if we cannot get a viable third candidate (time is running out and America is not taking action to make this happen) the best we can hope for is for a tie between Obama and Romney to throw everything into a tail spin. This country is doomed no matter who wins unfortunately.

And another thing, I keep hearing that Romney refuses to take a firm and decisive stance on illegal immigration because he does not want to fall into a political trap? And what trap is this exactly? That he might alienate the illegal voting bloc??? He's afraid to alienate a people who are not supposed to vote or be here in the first place? What the **** is this? Next, he'll formulate a strategy to not offend the prison population.

Originally Posted by googler

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And another thing, I keep hearing that Romney refuses to take a firm and decisive stance on illegal immigration because he does not want to fall into a political trap? And what trap is this exactly? That he might alienate the illegal voting bloc??? He's afraid to alienate a people who are not supposed to vote or be here in the first place? What the **** is this? Next, he'll formulate a strategy to not offend the prison population.

That's an excellent point. If he is not afraid of offending illegals as a voting block, then he must be afraid of offending people who defend the right of people to come here illegally. And who are those people and why can't we shame them into removing themselves from the debate?

I don't think it is possible for illegals to join the military. I'd like a confirmation that Romney has actually said this before I believe it. See also this thread here:

http://www.alipac.us/f12/clearing-ai...action-260340/

Save the doom and gloom. It's time to buck up and get the job done. We work with what we've got. All the whining in the world about how bad Romney is doesn't help to solve the problem at hand. One can either choose to sit back and say it's all lost or they can make up their mind that they won't EVER give up the fight. We need to learn from the greatest generation who enlisted by the millions to fight against the Axis powers who by all accounts of the time were unstoppable. Our parents/grandparents didn't give up or give in and neither should we. We OWE them that much.

Originally Posted by googler

Doesn't matter how assimilated they are, the point is they're here illegally, PERIOD. There is a waiting line to get into this country legally and everyone must abide by the rules. Romney wants to give a pass to those who want to join the military, you can call it what you want, but that's AMNESTY. He's a traitor to this country for even suggesting such an idea. But alas, if we cannot get a viable third candidate (time is running out and America is not taking action to make this happen) the best we can hope for is for a tie between Obama and Romney to throw everything into a tail spin. This country is doomed no matter who wins unfortunately.

And another thing, I keep hearing that Romney refuses to take a firm and decisive stance on illegal immigration because he does not want to fall into a political trap? And what trap is this exactly? That he might alienate the illegal voting bloc??? He's afraid to alienate a people who are not supposed to vote or be here in the first place? What the **** is this? Next, he'll formulate a strategy to not offend the prison population.

Originally Posted by bamissfa

may i inject something here...i do believe that when it comes to laying your life on the line for military service in exchange for US citizenship...that there will be few illegals with the character to want to serve...and that those who would serve will most likely be the ones who will assimilate into the USA. I am in no way for an amnesty in fact i would like to see the doors shut for at least 5 years to any new immigration and/or new legal foreign workers.

If you look up the top 10 US states with the highest number of illegals...then look up the top 10 US states with the highest number of unemployed, you will see that 7 out of 10 those 2 sets of numbers are almost identical...which means that illegals ARE replacing US citizens in the workplace..they are the cause that US citizens are being laid off. When you couple that with illegal aliens who own companies who hire only illegals...both employees and illegal owner NONE of whom pay taxes...the illegal companies put legal companies who do pay taxes out of biz.

Right now a lot of American citizens are joining the military to be able to have a hope for the future, to feed their families, and to live and survive this horrific economic time. Now, illegal aliens will be in those military slots and will soon return to to a neighborhood near you with guns, training, voting rights, and a chip on their shoulders a mile wide.

US Military trained illegal aliens.... oh we already have those. They are called Los Zetas.

Anyone that accepts Romney's military service for amnesty plan is sealing the fate of America. If enough conservatives are desperate enough to support that plan thinking it is an answer to Obama, then the poison will go down and while the effects will not be immediate, the damage will be done and irreversible.

Dump that cool aid on the ground and step back from it for the sake of us all please.

The military service language is just the "Sell it to republicans" pitch. We all know that they will use that limited amnesty to go for the full amnesty.

Our backs are already against a wall, we cannot afford to give anymore. There is nothing left to give we are teetering on the edge of national oblivion already.

W

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

Right now a lot of American citizens are joining the military to be able to have a hope for the future, to feed their families, and to live and survive this horrific economic time. Now, illegal aliens will be in those military slots and will soon return to to a neighborhood near you with guns, training, voting rights, and a chip on their shoulders a mile wide.

US Military trained illegal aliens.... oh we already have those. They are called Los Zetas.

Anyone that accepts Romney's military service for amnesty plan is sealing the fate of America. If enough conservatives are desperate enough to support that plan thinking it is an answer to Obama, then the poison will go down and while the effects will not be immediate, the damage will be done and irreversible.

Dump that cool aid on the ground and step back from it for the sake of us all please.

The military service language is just the "Sell it to republicans" pitch. We all know that they will use that limited amnesty to go for the full amnesty.

Our backs are already against a wall, we cannot afford to give anymore. There is nothing left to give we are teetering on the edge of national oblivion already.

W

With all due respect, exactly who do you expect us to vote on if not Romney? IMHO, your comments on illegals in the military involves a lot of speculation because illegals aren't currently allowed to serve in the military and there is certainly no guarantee that Romney can make such a thing happen, just like Bush couldn't make amnesty happen. Furthermore, the military is currently being reduced and many of those now serving are being rejected for reenlistment (tighter standards) to aid in trimming the forces. Basically what I'm saying is a lot will have to happen before such a plan come to fruitation. Do I support such a plan, heck no, but I definitely don't support the full blown Dream Act the Obama administration supports either!


I'm also forced to ask myself, exactly how many English speaking illegal immigrants would qualify under the tighter standards and how many would be interested in serving to earn citizenship? I suspect the number would be very marginal, especially since the potential eligibility pool would only be the so-called dreamers.

I still say we only have two choices in November .......... Obama or Romney. Personally, I don't feel I have much of a choice when making my decision on where my vote will go. Folks can rationalize all they want but in my mind Romney is the only choice. It's to the point where we would be better served concentrating more on Senate and House elections. Not trying to be disagreeable, just sharing my thoughts on the issue.

I'm not telling anyone to not vote for Mitt Romney.

What I am saying very clearly and specifically is that I have a concern that some conservatives will begin to accept Mitt Romney and Rubio's amnesty sales job as a price they think they must pay to get rid of Obama who horrifies them. Thus, horror over Obama leads people usually on our side to submit to something they would not usually agree to.

I believe that is a danger we face in this situation. Ive had several people write me and tell me that they were OK with Mitt Romney's amnesty plans because that is what was needed to have a chance at beating Obama because they believe this "Latino Vote" mythology being repeated by the propagandizing media over and over and over again.

W

Originally Posted by ALIPAC

I'm not telling anyone to not vote for Mitt Romney.

What I am saying very clearly and specifically is that I have a concern that some conservatives will begin to accept Mitt Romney and Rubio's amnesty sales job as a price they think they must pay to get rid of Obama who horrifies them. Thus, horror over Obama leads people usually on our side to submit to something they would not usually agree to.

I believe that is a danger we face in this situation. Ive had several people write me and tell me that they were OK with Mitt Romney's amnesty plans because that is what was needed to have a chance at beating Obama because they believe this "Latino Vote" mythology being repeated by the propagandizing media over and over and over again.

W

I understand what you're saying, and trust me, I'm not okay with any amnesty plan. However, that being said, I still can't see that we have a lot of options available to us. Until someone can show me a better way to get rid of Obama, voting Romney is the only way I know.

Well, all of these considerations are going to be moot as far as ALIPAC is concerned if we dont find some miraculous way to raise $10,000 in 5 days time.

Each time we tell our supporters more about Obama's dictatorial actions that lobbying and voting cant fix the more they are clamming up or throwing their hands up etc...

W

Originally Posted by MW

With all due respect, exactly who do you expect us to vote on if not Romney? IMHO, your comments on illegals in the military involves a lot of speculation because illegals aren't currently allowed to serve in the military and there is certainly no guarantee that Romney can make such a thing happen, just like Bush couldn't make amnesty happen. Furthermore, the military is currently being reduced and many of those now serving are being rejected for reenlistment (tighter standards) to aid in trimming the forces. Basically what I'm saying is a lot will have to happen before such a plan come to fruitation. Do I support such a plan, heck no, but I definitely don't support the full blown Dream Act the Obama administration supports either!


I'm also forced to ask myself, exactly how many English speaking illegal immigrants would qualify under the tighter standards and how many would be interested in serving to earn citizenship? I suspect the number would be very marginal, especially since the potential eligibility pool would only be the so-called dreamers.

I still say we only have two choices in November .......... Obama or Romney. Personally, I don't feel I have much of a choice when making my decision on where my vote will go. Folks can rationalize all they want but in my mind Romney is the only choice. It's to the point where we would be better served concentrating more on Senate and House elections. Not trying to be disagreeable, just sharing my thoughts on the issue.

The military is currently being reduced, but I have to wonder with both of them wanting to engage in yet another war with Iran on behalf of Israel, that they'll ratchet up enlistment again and start accepting just about anyone for their little war game. And doesn't Romney disagree with Obama on Afghanistan's troop draw-down? You have the Middle East and Mexico on the verge of complete chaos and these two globalists can't wait to commit our stressed out armed forces to more war games. Perhaps this explains Romney's position on illegals in the military. The war with Iran is inevitable no matter who wins.

Focusing on the Senate and House elections is not enough when you have a divided country never before seen. Americans are unhappy with Congress, but all seem perfectly fine with their own elected politicians, so you're going to end up with a divided congress where either party will filibuster or block legislation in either chamber and so nothing meaningful gets done. We need a President that's not a Democrat or Republican that can rally the American people to get behind him and against both parties in Congress. Then and only then can we begin to make real progress and take back this country from these fools, all of them.