Thread: We are not free under a democracy.

We are not free under a democracy. We have two parties in which one is in control of the country. People usually vote party lines no matter what the candidate stands for. The controlling party is not for the people or the country but go with their personal belief and agenda. Bush is a prime example. He promised a government for the people but once elected has his own agenda. He has done nothing for the good of the people or what the majority wants. He does not listen to the people but to corporate America. The people do not want war, do not want illegals immigration, etc, but he will do whatever he want. If a bill is pass that he do not agree with, he will veto it.
He wants to spread democracy in Iraq, but it will never work, because the controlling party are Shiites and they will never bring the different facets together. The only way peace will come is by dividing the country into three, Kurds, Sunni and Shiites. Saddam could do it but a democracy government cannot.
Bush did not free the Iraqis, he just took them out of one hell and put them into another.



Spreading democracy
is more than using military force to do it. There are countries that are economically hurting, starving, dying of aid and other health problems, being killed because of the color of their skin or religious beliefs who need help that could lead to democracy with diplomacy. Force is not the only way unless you are a Texas cowboy. We need to win the people by help them help themselves. “Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him how to fish and he eats for life. Show them what democracy is and they will want it enough to at least help fight for it.
Mexico is being genocide economically by the leaders and we need to help Mexico keep their people in Mexico. Mexicans coming to America is not the answer. Mexico is more of a threat to us than any other country in the world. It is just like helping Florida and not helping California. We have a nation of “stupids” Republicans and Democrats as our leaders. They don’t see the forest for the trees. There are too far removed from the issues. They need to get out and listen to the “little” people or the nation and Mexico.

Illegal aliens
This country is in big trouble in the future and it is not terrorist but aliens. American businesses need slave labor. We do not need immigrants for nation building. This nation is built. They are doing jobs that American’s would take at a decent wage.
This nation will take not when we become a third world country. Mexicans will be a majority in voting power and they will take over the running of this country and we will have a president Fox.
Our police, social services, jails and prisons, schools, hospitals, housing, jobs, etc. is not growing fast enough to support the influx of immigrants coming into this country. The border needs to be closed now. My fear is not what terrorist can do to this country but what 30 mil illegals using emergency system, unlicensed and un-insured drivers causing accidents, over crowing housing and schools, kids cannot get after school jobs if they cannot speak Spanish, special teachers for teaching kids English, they have taken jobs on the streets and highways, yardwork, kids used to do garbage collecting, house and car burglars and car thief and the list goes on.

Immigrant farm workers.
In no way is the million of immigrants coming into this country working in farming as our representatives have stated. A small number are working in farms only to work their way into the inner city. Most of them do not do farms work at all. There they are taking jobs away from Americans. They make up 25% of the work force in Nevada. They are not doing farm work but work on our city streets, stores, yard work, hotel and casinos, health care services, construction, etc. Lot of the adults are taking jobs that our youth used to do as after school jobs and summer jobs to assist them in getting through school Americans cannot get some jobs because they cannot speak Spanish. I saw an ad for Home Depot specifically seeking Spanish workers.
They will not save social security as I heard someone say. There will also be a large number who will one day receive SS. One day in the near future this country will be a Spanish speaking country with many of the same problem that have existed in Mexico.
The reason nothing is done to secure the borders is because both republicans and democrats need them to vote and get the support and vote of businesses.

This country is in big trouble
in the future and it is not terrorist but illegal aliens coming from Mexico. American business needs slave labor. We do not need immigrants for nation building this nation is built. They are doing jobs that Americans would do at a decent wage.
This nation will take note when we become a third world Spanish speaking country. Mexicans will be a majority in voting power and they will take over the running of this country and we will have a president “Fox”.
Our police, social services, jails and prisons, schools, hospital, housing, jobs, etc. is not growing fast enough to support the influx of aliens coming into this country. The border needs to be closed now. My fear in not what terrorist can do this country but what 30 million aliens will do. In the city where I live, I’ve seen the cost of gang units, hospitals bankrupt because of illegals using emergency system, unlicensed and uninsured driver causing accidents, out crowding housing, over crowded schools, kids cannot get after school jobs if the cannot speak Spanish, special teachers to teach kids English, they have taken jobs in ever area in the state. House and car burglaries and thief and the list go

C-Span and Border Control
Douglas, Ariz. representatives Jennifer Allen and Mayor of Douglas are obviously Mexicans and support illegal immigration. They turn a deaf ear to the fact that some are coming over to work and other to commit crimes.
How can the Douglas, Ariz. mayor way the border patrol is doing their jobs when 3 million illegals are getting past them. I question how illegal and drug traffickers are paying off many border patrols.

Farm labor solution.
Take the criminals in prison into the farms and let them do the work that illegals are doing. That would save the farmer, consumers and I bet the inmates would love to get out and work the fields.

Pres. Fox comment
No. He does not need to apologize for saying, “Mexicans are taking jobs that even blacks will not do” because America has given him the impression. Bush need to set his friend straight that Blacks are not inferior in this country and that his people are taking jobs away from minorities and others. Blacks once did those jobs at a fair wage.

Mexican Government.
The reason the Mexican gov’t do not try to stop immigration is because the immigrants send billions of dollars back to Mexico which is Mexico’s economy but does not help our economy.

U.s. taxpayers
are footing the bill for illegals in hospitals, schools, prisons, etc. u.s. gov’t should send the bill for these cost to Pres. Fox and if he does not accept the responsibility for his people, should place sanctions on Mexico.

Help Mexico.
The money we have spent in Iraq could have been used to help Mexico create an economy that would keep Mexicans in Mexico with many u.s. companies already operating in Mexico, why are there so may coming to the u.s. and taking jobs from Americans and lowering wages.

Help Mexico.
The money we have spent in Iraq could have been used to help Mexico create an economy that would keep Mexicans in Mexico with many u.s. companies already operating in Mexico, why are there so may coming to the u.s. and taking jobs from Americans and lowering wages.

Mexico has it better than many other places in this world....look at the outrageous genocide in Darfur. I would rather US money go to that cause other than to build Mexico's economy.
Mexico is just lucky that they border the US and have gotten away with allowing their citizens to jump the border...which is slowing down and will end if we make those politicians pay who are for amnesty and exploiting cheap labor. Mexico has done nothing but take all the advantage they can, and I don't want to spend any more money on them....look how much we have to put into border security because their government will not. The citizens need to start their own movement, they certainly want to raise hell in the US, I don't understand why they don't just overthrow in their homeland to change things there.

WE HAVE NOT GOT ANGRY ENOUGH TO RAISE HELL AND PROTEST AND ALL WE CAN DO NOT IS MAKE OUR VOICES HEARD AT THE POLLS AND KEPT E-MAIL OUR COMPLAINT TO THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE AND BUSH. BOMBARD THEM WITH MAIL.

We are not free under a democracy. We have two parties in which one is in control of the country. People usually vote party lines no matter what the candidate stands for.

People need to not do that anymore. I suspect since you're here saying what you've said that controlling the illegal alien problem and securing the border, and our nation's sovereignty is a priority for you. We can't go by just party. We're really going to have to study our candidates, support those that support secure borders, law enforcement, and no amnesty.

Show them what democracy is and they will want it enough to at least help fight for it.

Setting an example would really helpthis cause. What can we show the world when 80% or more of citizens are in disagreement with their government and no one wants to listen?

This country is in big trouble in the future and it is not terrorist but aliens.

Kind of like a choice between getting stabbed or shot isn't it. Does it make a big difference if America goes under from Islamo-Fascists or Hispano-Socialists? I feel much more threatened by the invasion force in our country now that are being passed off as "guests" by the globalists.

In no way is the million of immigrants coming into this country working in farming as our representatives have stated.

That's true. They take better jobs as soon as they can like everyone. Then we need millions more to pick crops? This is nuts.

The reason nothing is done to secure the borders is because both republicans and democrats need them to vote and get the support and vote of businesses.

That's part of in the short term. The socialists would like a more dependent and easily controlled populace. The globalist would like a borderless nation where the citizens have no national identity. Again control.

Farm labor solution.

I hope we won't have any kind of slave class.

Pres. Fox comment

I'd rather watch paint dry.

U.s. taxpayers
are footing the bill for illegals in hospitals, schools, prisons, etc. u.s. gov’t should send the bill for these cost to Pres. Fox and if he does not accept the responsibility for his people, should place sanctions on Mexico.

Not gonna happen. Nobody will pay. We need to dismantle the socialist trough that's a part of the magnet. A burro will feed until we quit holding the feedsack.

Help Mexico

Uhuh Mexico is responsible for Mexico.

WE HAVE NOT GOT ANGRY ENOUGH TO RAISE HELL AND PROTEST

We are doing what we are to do according to the Founders wishes. We must do this first in order to follow other wishes of the Founders.

We won't walk out on our society while in meaningful negotiations. That's our culture. Don't be in a hurry. It'll be an awful thing that might be necessary.

Actually, the United States isn't a democracy, it's a Republic, which is very different. Unfortunately the government has passively tried to convert the country to a Democracy, and the kids are currently being taught that the US is a Democracy.

*sigh*

We are not free under a democracy

We are not a democracy we are a republic. The difference is the power is derived from the people, and second the government itself operates within and under the control of the law. In other words: In a REPUBLIC the People are the Masters and the government is subordinate.

In a democracy, the will of the majority is law. Anything is allowed, provided that the majority approves. There are no checks and balances, and the rights of the individual are not protected.

I just whish people would understand this fact. See the schools are not teaching the constitution any longer. This has to be done as you know how many people think this is a democracy? We need the bill of rights and the constitution along with the pledge taught every day in our schools. "And To The REPUBLIC for which it stands" Our flag stands for the republic of the United States of America. It Stands for freedom of choice not for the choice of the majority. Please for those of you who have not taken the time please read the constitution and the bill of rights.

While you are at it I would look up jury nullification as we the people have the ultimate control over the law. Government does not want you to know this but it is true. We in a jury can find anyone we want to not guilty even if they admit to the crime therefore nullifying the law. They cannot be retried for the same crime twice. Think about it. The legislators can create law after law but if we the people refuse to convict the kid riding his gas scooter down the road what happens to the law. If we the people refuse to convict the guy who did not pay his federal income taxes what happens?

OK you beat me to it Moogy.

Originally Posted by Moogy

Actually, the United States isn't a democracy, it's a Republic, which is very different. Unfortunately the government has passively tried to convert the country to a Democracy, and the kids are currently being taught that the US is a Democracy.

*sigh*

Well, here's the trick:

The republic of the several states is in fact a republic. That republic, created from a union of republics, created a federal entity. According to the Constitution, the federal entity is a legislative democracy when handling its internal affairs. That is to say, the federal zone consisting of the District of Columbia and its possessions and territories, such as Guam, Puerto Rico and the US virgin Islands, is in fact a democracy.

Now, the reason that this is an important distinction is that Amendment XIV created a second class of citizen that was an internal citizen of the federal zone, which it referred to as the United States as contradistinct from the states. Prior to that amendment, all Americans were citizens of one of the several states or else of a federal territory. Citizens of the federal zone are not granted the protections of the self-evident natural rights specified in the Bill of Rights, but rather receive federal privileges and immunities. All civil rights legislation, for example, is promulgated under the auspices of the federal legislative democracy rather than under the constitutionally delegated legislative powers exercised over the several republic states.

Yeah, I know this sort of stuff makes many readers' heads spin, but it is these legalisms that keep most Americans confused about the law and the hows and why of lost liberties and that empower the federal government to grow ever more intrusive and claim more direct power over more people.

Here's a quick and accuratee overview of the differences between a republic and democracy:

http://www.tax-freedom.com/ta19007.htm

Democracy or Republic ?
America IS NOT A PURE DEMOCRACY !!
Let's say it together now:

"I pledge alliegance, to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands .... "

The children don't say this Pledge of Alliegance in school anymore because it DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS THE GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA IN AN IRREFUTABLE FASHION.

AMERICA IS A REPUBLIC, a constitutional Republic of a democratic (one man - one vote) nature. However, WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY where the majority rules. THAT IS GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA DESIGNED TO CONDITION YOU TO ACCEPT THEIR INJUSTICE and believe that there is nothing that you can do about it. The difference between a Democracy and a Republic is that in a Republic there are certain things THAT CAN NEVER BE DONE NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO DO IT ! The rights of no individual or group can ever be removed or diminished (because that group may be currently unpopular (for whatever reason)), regardless of how many people vote to do so. In a Republic, even if the vote is 250 million to 1, that one cannot be thrown into slavery. In a pure democracy 51% of the men can vote the other 49% back into slavery if they wish. Or, they can vote to steal your property (sound familiar), BUT NOT IN A REPUBLIC (if the Constitution or the law forbids it, which ours DOES). Our founding fathers HATED democracy, recognizing that it is nothing more than social slavery to the poular hysteria of the masses (sound familiar). They wanted a representative (democratic) system, BUT NOT A pure DEMOCRACY, and they did not establish a democracy in the Constitution, they established a REPUBLIC a Constitutional Republic.

Things like "MAJORITY RULES" and "FAIR SHARE" are COMMUNISTIC CONCEPTS right out of The Communist Manifesto and from the communist maxims like "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need", attempting to justify the theft of private property by government under the PRETENSE of "redistribution to the poor" and "efficient utilization of national resources". BUT FOR SOME REASON THE STOLEN WEALTH NEVER SEEMS TO MAKE IT TO THE POOR, BUT INSTEAD ALWAYS ENDS UP IN THE POCKETS OF THE PARTY LEADERS AND BUREAUCRATS ! I won't even mention how efficient the Communist regimes of the world have shown themselves to be with their national resources.

Life is really very simple. People like to pretend that it is not, but it is. You have two choices in life: you can accept what you find, or you can work to change what you find into something better. You can stand up and fight, or you can lie down and die. Fail to do the one, and the other becomes inevitable. You choose for yourself,

"The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave, ... It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen cry peace, peace - but there is no peace. The war is actually begun ! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms ! Our brethren are already in the field ! Why stand we here idle ? What is it that gentlemen wish ? What would they have ? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery ? Forbid it, Almighty God ! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death !" Patrick Henry

Collective hysteria, paranoia and insanity are the planned result of Government propaganda, issued under the pretense of "protecting the children", in order to effect rule by Government Anarchy (outside the law), without protest from the people. Their propaganda has been very effective here in America, wouldn't you agree ? Fortunately, like ALL government propaganda; NONE OF IT IS TRUE, and surely any government's claim to be acting to protect the children is exposed as PURE FRAUD when that same government actually repeatedly murders its own people's children (WACO & RUBY RIDGE). KILLIAN IS LYING TO YOU !!!!