Thread: What in the world is wrong with Americans?

Sawdust,

I don't know what state you live in, but here in North Carolina, it is talked about a lot. I suspect the area you live in, is not being overrun with illegals, like it is here. With many people, unless it affects them personally, right now, they aren't interested. I have seen many of my friends go from totally uniterested in past years, to irrate now. All of them can now relate to how they or someone in their family has been negatively affected by illegal immigration.

I have a friend who recently found out that an illegal alien was using his daughter's Social Security number to gain employment, another was involved in a car crash, where the other driver was an illegal alien, driving without a license or insurance. The illegal disappeared and my friend was left holding the bag. Another was hit by an illegal without a license. The illegal alien's car was disabled in the wreck, so she waited for a ride. When her family arrived later on, SHE (the alien with no license) got in and drove the vehicle. The State Trooper, said there was nothing he could do. It goes on and on, and people are slowly, but surely catching on.

We have a media that tries it's best to hide the facts, so it's up to us to be modern day Paul Revere's, and get the word out that the invasion is underway.

GoAmerica's

I asked that same question to a guy I know. His response is that he's scared of " homeland security"

Yes, George Bush and others would LOVE to hear that. That is so funny. HOMELAND SECURITY IS WATCHING YOU !!
Oh my gosh, yes, to a certain extent we are all a little afraid, especially when we have a hard-headed president, with poll numbers so low, that one could say its'a somewhat desperate administration in the White House.

However, I haven't really heard of any incidents where Americans have been harrassed or bothered by the government. I know about that Padilla guy, but I just don't have sympathy on that one. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. I don't know.

But I have been THANKFUL that SO FAR George Bush doesn't seem to be taking any steps to quiet or punish Americans for speaking their mind. THANK GOD FOR US !!! We do have a reputation for speaking the truth around here !!

Sawdust, I can only agree with the others that your area must not be hit as hard as some of our areas have. In my area, South Florida all the Americans are very willing and eager to discuss illegal immigration. In fact it's the main topic right now.

Originally Posted by LegalUSCitizen

But I have been THANKFUL that SO FAR George Bush doesn't seem to be taking any steps to quiet or punish Americans for speaking their mind. THANK GOD FOR US !!! We do have a reputation for speaking the truth around here !!

They're getting things in place as we speak.

Justice Department to Internet firms: Keep your records

6/2/2006 10:11:11 AM, by Nate Anderson

The US Justice Department and the FBI want Internet companies to retain data on their customers for up to two years in the name of fighting child pornography and terrorism. The government has been holding meetings with companies like AOL, Verizon, Comcast, Google, and Microsoft about the matter, and officials seem willing to bring the matter to Congress if the companies decide not to comply voluntarily.

According to the New York Times, the government wants "records that would allow them to identify which individuals visited certain web sites and possibly conducted searches using certain terms." The records would also include information about e-mail and exchange data, though not the actual content of the messages.

You might think, from the number of times that "child pornography" is mentioned by the Justice Department, that the US is a nation of pedophiles. "Protecting the children" was trotted out again at these meetings as one of the main reasons for the records retention, and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales gave a speech on the subject in April at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. It's a safe bet, though, that wide-ranging records retention would be used for more than child pornography investigations, and this was backed up by a comment made by Robert Mueller of the FBI.

An executive of one Internet provider that was represented at the first meeting said Mr. Gonzales began the discussion by showing slides of child pornography from the Internet. But later, one participant asked Mr. Mueller why he was interested in the Internet records. The executive said Mr. Mueller's reply was, "We want this for terrorism."

The request for records retention, coming as it does from the government that brought you search engine subpoenas and the NSA's (domestic?) wiretap program, has some privacy advocates and civil libertarians worried that such a treasure trove of data could easily be abused. To assuage their concerns, the Justice Department held a meeting this week with several concerned nonprofits, including the Cato Institute and the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC). At that meeting, the scope of the program grew again as the government indicated that the records would be used for investigations into child pornography, terrorism, and—surprise!—intellectual property crimes.

At the meeting with privacy experts yesterday, Justice Department officials focused on wanting to retain the records for use in child pornography and terrorism investigations. But they also talked of their value in investigating other crimes like intellectual property theft and fraud, said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, who attended the session. "It was clear that they would go beyond kiddie porn and terrorism and use it for general law enforcement," Mr. Rotenberg said.

Without strict safeguards, it looks likely that such a program would be used to prosecute illicit file-swappers and other small-scale criminals. When similar legislation was recently discussed in Europe, content providers immediately lobbied for its use in their own enforcement efforts.

Although the government is requesting that records be kept, it is not currently requesting any special access to them; access would only be granted through normal judicial channels, such as warrants and subpoenas. As the LA Times points out in their coverage of the story, though, the government already has the power to obtain such records in secret and without extensive court oversight through the use of "national security letters."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060602-6970.html

It's sad...but a lot of these posters are right. Alot of Americans are just happy to have their I-pods and their cell-phones and have to make sure they get to watch "Desperate Housewives" once a week. It's a shame but most Americans no longer understand the sacrifices that were made through two world wars to make sure they have such a lush life.

Just mark my words however...when the crap hits the fan. And it will eventually...no economy just goes on forever without some kind of hiccup.

When the crap hits the fan and the everyday American who's family has been here for five generations is competing with all these illegals to put food on their tables to feed their children...

When the veterans and elderly can't be seen because the doctors and hospitals are swamped with people who aren't even going to pay....

When American families are killed by illegal drivers who run because they don't have licenses and have no insurance...

Hmm...how much ya wanna bet there's gonna be a whole big change of attitude about cheap labor?

oh drat...I'm sorry most of that stuff is already happening!

What in the world is wrong with Americans? I will tell you what is wrong, we have grown fat and LAZY!!!!!!

VaMinuteMan,

It's sad...but a lot of these posters are right. Alot of Americans are just happy to have their I-pods and their cell-phones and have to make sure they get to watch "Desperate Housewives" once a week. It's a shame but most Americans no longer understand the sacrifices that were made through two world wars to make sure they have such a lush life

These are the same people who drive by and call us racist during our cheap day labor shut down rallies.

Originally Posted by Dixie

sawdust,

You beat me to it. I was going to say, it depends on the state you live in. Here in the south, white Americans have been conditioned into "white guilt". We are not susposed to speak of racial matters. So instead of running the risk of being called a racist, they are silent and afraid to say anything to anyone. Sometimes even to their family members because they will turn on them. My husband called me a racist and he of all people should know better. He just can't deal with me taking a stand. He would rather that I stay under the rock, with the ear plugs and blinders on. Ironically, he feels the same way I do but he hasn't got the nerve to stand up and say so. Some people are so worried about their immage being tarnished... Also, in TX some people are scared because of retaliation so they don't speak up in public. See how complex it can be?

Dixie

Dixie, my husband never called me a racist, he knows I'm not, but he would not stand up and fight this illegal immigration problem.......that is until the illegals started cutting into his paycheck He is dealing with the wage depression issue everyday. When he learned that the unskilled, so called carpenters(illegals) were taking home the same paycheck as him, even though they earned less on the hour, and saw them wadding up their 1099's and discarding them(because they NEVER intend to pay those taxes), he WOKE UP! My husband is one of the best carpenters in our area and has 23 years experience and should be making mega bucks for his skill and knowledge. Instead, he is earning about $10 an hour less than he should be and he is being called out everyday to FIX something the illegals have screwed up and it really gets to him sometimes. They will ALL come around and see the TRUTH about illegal immigration when it hits them in the wallet, I can bet ya on that!

I know a gal that works in a factory and she has worked side by side with hispanics doing the same work for years and every friday when they come around and pass out the paychecks the hispanics checks are much bigger than hers because they take no taxes out of their checks. So they have gotten away with paying no taxes for several years now.

They will ALL come around and see the TRUTH about illegal immigration when it hits them in the wallet, I can bet ya on that

You sure said a mouth full, REBEL!