Thread: Wouldn't It Be Great If ...........

Wouldn't it be great if:

Americans who are appauled at undocumented workers' taking advantage of welfare, WIC, food stamps didn't acceptc such handouts themselves?

Americans who are upset by the huge salaries received by corporate/hollywood/sports icons didn't demand huge increases in their own salaries through such things as paid medical leave, healthcare, abuse of sick time?

Americans realized that for companies to compete in a global market, then perhaps the employees must be willing to take some cuts in benefits and/or salaries.

Americans lived within their incomes and didn't live on the false incomes provided by excessive credit card use?

Americans realized that the more successful the economy then the greater the appeal to undocumented workers?

Americans realized that the only way to dramatically reduce the impact on American culture, demographics, services, politics through unrestrained immigration (whether documented or undocumented) is to remain aware of the subtle changes in society that lead to such catastrophies each day and not wait until the situation becomes nearly irreversible?

Americans realized that President Bush is a pawn himself.

Americans stopped worrying about such myths as Global Warming, and worried more about teaching their children about ethics, morals, honesty and respect?

Americans realized that taking care of one's self is always better than expecting government to take care of you?

Americans realized that all things go in circles, whether that be time, history, weather or populations?

Americans realized that undocumented immigrants are a common phenomenon throughout history and throughout the countries of the world?

Americans realized that the emasculation of American men has led to the
further dimmunation of the family?

I welcome honest debate, but please remember that emotions will do nothing to improve anything.

Actually, NO.

Seems that you're lacking in understanding in just about everything you've suggested.

It also is glaringly obvious that you're not appreciative of a Republic or capitolism. That would lead me to believe that you're either a socialist, marxist or communist. If so, you belong in Mexico.

However, my very favorite? Should you be interested, is
SOCIAL SERVICES and free handouts to ILLEGALS.
You're under the assumption that those Americans who prefer to follow the Rule of Law and expect our government officals and those that want to enter our country to follow the Rule of Law are on WELFARE? Taking handouts? Only an uneducated, backwards person would make such a statement.

And folks..........here's the product of our watered down, dismantled education! OR........here's an ILLEGAL.

I'm too damned tired to put up with that drivel tonight. Go read an American History book and then come back and we'll
DEBATE.

Hear! Hear!

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Actually, NO.

Seems that you're lacking in understanding in just about everything you've suggested.

It also is glaringly obvious that you're not appreciative of a Republic or capitolism. That would lead me to believe that you're either a socialist, marxist or communist.

However, my very favorite? Should you be interested, is
SOCIAL SERVICES and free handouts to ILLEGALS.
You're under the assumption that those Americans who prefer to follow the Rule of Law and expect our government officals and those that want to enter our country to follow the Rule of Law are on WELFARE? Taking handouts? Only an uneducated, backwards person would make such a statement.

And folks..........here's the product of our watered down, dismantled education! OR........here's an ILLEGAL.

I'm too damned tired to put up with that drivel tonight. Go read an American History book and then come back and we'll
DEBATE.

This is not immigration, it is an invasion and that is how it is viewed by most americans. We are not interested in even talking about immgration or immigrants because that is not what it is.

Sorry to diappoint you, but I'm a native-born American who supports our Republic and believes in the economic system known as Capitalism, which is the system used in the USA. Not a socialist, marxist, commie, nope none of those things.

Quite the contrary, if you don't think we're in a global economy and that's why companies seek cheap labor then perhaps YOU are the socialist, marxist, commie.

But name-calling will not solve anything. Perhaps you can enlighten me, but please do it through facts or historical examples rather than emotions and name-calling. I'm more than willing to learn, are you?

Some Americans Live within their means and live a middle (formerly upper middle class life). Most of us aren't protected in gated luxury communities from the dregs of society.

It would be great if some of these Americans could get decent reasonable health insurance and occasionally get the same quality of care as deadbeat illegal immigrants. For the life of me, I don't understand why a blind eye is turned to them. They come here knowing how to work the system. And somebody in the system is being told to let these illegals benefit from taxpayers hard earned money. It would be great if I could get a tiny bit of that gravy train. How about a reduction in my property taxes that pay to educate Mexicans who don't really deserve and want an education?

It would be great if laws on illegal immigration were enforced. Try the ones from 1986. This country finds a way to do whatever- Wars, Man on the Moon, etc. It would be great if they used the same effort on this.

It would be great if Bush and Congress would spontaneously combust. I am sick of them and their lies. It would be great if they were all forced to live in a housing with these wonderful, filfthy Mexicans.

It would be great if Mexico would deal with their own problems, with their own wealth (which they do have). It would be great if they would not send us their criminals, uneducated (and not really interested in getting an education that would allow them to assimilate). It would be great if they kept all of their deadbeats and let us take care of our own poor.

Why does the government take care of Illegals who send every dime back to provide Mexico with its second biggest source of income. Wouldn't it be nice for that money to taxed (for the first time) and spent in the US TO OFFSET THE COSTS OF THE DEADBEATS THAT ARE HERE?

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to focus on a top quality broad based education without having to use outrageous resources to teach English to illegals who aren't interested, have a bad attitude and cause disciplinary problems for teachers. Wouldn't it be nice to not have to send your kids to school with disease ridden criminal elements that can't seem to learn, despite the fact that they are being catered to at the expense of American children.

Undocumented immigrants are not going into other countries by the tens of millions. They don't get to walk all over the laws and customs of that country.

Wouldn't it be great if these deadbeat mexicans were even somewhat grateful to be here (like immigrants of other nationalities and cultures). Wouldn't it be great if they could be here without being demanding and entitled?


Wouldn't it be great if mexicans used some sort of restraint and birth control ? Wouldn't it be great if we did not have to deal with an entirely new cultural group that felt entitled across the board to leech on society, pop out babies like rabbits, and live in utter squalor?


If the American male is emasculated, he did it to himself. (by the way I don't believe this to be true) The Mexican male will balance this out, since they are overly macho, don't marry their pregnant girlfriends, use physical violence as their communication. They also think nothing of cheating on women with their recreational gay men friends(acceptable in the mexican culture).

Originally Posted by NoEmoticon

Sorry to diappoint you, but I'm a native-born American who supports our Republic and believes in the economic system known as Capitalism, which is the system used in the USA. Not a socialist, marxist, commie, nope none of those things.

Quite the contrary, if you don't think we're in a global economy and that's why companies seek cheap labor then perhaps YOU are the socialist, marxist, commie.

But name-calling will not solve anything. Perhaps you can enlighten me, but please do it through facts or historical examples rather than emotions and name-calling. I'm more than willing to learn, are you?

Please point out the name calling so that it can be addressed.

Furthermore, NO, you do not support a Republic, nor do you appreciate Capitalism. You stated so in your original post.

If you'd like to discuss IMMIGRATION, that would be a different subject than what we're concerned about at the moment.

At this point in time, the issue facing Americans is ILLEGAL ALIENS. Those are the people that are actually breaking the Rule of Law. The employers that break the law by hiring them.

ILLEGAL ALIENS are further breaking the laws by using forged documentation. That, from what I understand, falls under federal jouristiction.

So, which is it? Do you want to debate ILLEGAL ALIENS or discuss Immigration?

At last...a somewhat reasoned debate. Bootsalinda I salute you!

The point is simple, if Americans didn't want abuse of services, then the answer is to eliminate such services. Welfare, WIC, etc were not established in the Constituion. These are socialistic contrivances. So to use them by anyone is a step towards socialism and ultimately a globalistic society. Perhaps a return to support from family, friends and one's church for help when help is truly needed is a better approach than social services. Social services will always be abused whether by aliens or natives. The point is to abandon the govenment's system of wealth, redistribution and return to a culture of self restraint and doing for one's self.

I did not make the initial questions to support illegal immigrants, but rather to bring to attention many of the problems facing our USA today are things that have been predicated on an earlier softening of the American character.

Personally, I abhor the illegal immigration situation, but it is nothing new.

ALIPAC is focused on supporting Legal Immigration and Eliminating ILLEGAL Aliens.

Not in changing the New Deal or the Great Society.

We certainly appreciate your interest. However, your original statement falsely accused Americans that were against Illegal Aliens of being on all forms of social services.

THAT, in itself, is a falsehood.

You would prefer that American workers should willingly cut their salaries. That, in itself, is redistribution of wealth.

You are attempting to dictate a montra that invades all personal freedom of choice.

That crap won't fly.

I don't get government help.
I live within my means.
I have no credit cards, loans or unpaid bills.
I have had partial benefits 2 times in the 30 some odd years of working.
The most I ever got paid in my life was 12.75 an hour in the 1980's. I have taken pay cuts to stay employed and help the boss out. I have worked many hours for free.
I don't feel it's my obligation to live at sub-human levels in order to make my life or country "less desireable" to those who feel obliged to come and take it.
I do worry about global warming and I also spent time and taught my children ethics and morals and values.
As a woman, I did not emasculate men by expecting to be treated as a human being or by being forced to take charge when they slithered out of their male responsibilities ( by not folding like a helpless victim). Or by expecting them to have adult control over their "other" brain. If many feel emasculated then maybe it's because they weren't ADULT men to begin with. I don't feel I have to be less human or woman to make them feel like a man. And I don't feel I have to be used and abused to make them feel they have controll over something.
Legal immigration is welcomed and always has been.
Quite well aware of the cyclical nature of life. The pendulum swings from one extreem to the next with a short time of balance in the middle.
Painfully aware of letting things slide till it get's out of had. We're living it now.
And yes I do beleive Bush could very well be yet another pawn in the game.
So....what lesson was this thread for?