Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

The Sheriff Joe Arpaio interview following the press conference:
WND interviews Sheriff Joe about the Cold-Case Posse and Mr. Obama's purported "Birth Certificate" - YouTube

Sheriff Joe Arpaio's (first) news conference about this Cold Case Posse investigation:
News Conference of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's "Cold Case Posse" - YouTube

Sheriff Joe Arpaio's report on the 6-month long investigation of Mr. Obama's ineligibility:
The Arpaio report (transcript)

Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse probe continues:
Investigators now in hunt for forger.
Hint: look (in Chicago, perhaps?) for Jess Henig and Joe Miller, a.k.a. FactCheck.org,
an initiative of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Univ. of Pennsylvania.

Even a hypothetical U.S. birth certificate wouldn't make Mr. Obama eligible for POTUS without a U.S. citizen father. But Sheriff Joe has not mentioned Mr. Obama's "never a U.S. citizen" father, Barrack Hussain Obama, Sr.. His Cold Case Posse investigation is focused only on two fraudulent documents, the purported LFBC and the purported Selective Service registration, considering them the most indisputable probable causes for an official Congressional investigation. Besides, who needs a Cold Case Posse to prove that Mr. Obama's father was not a U.S. citizen?

But what will Congress investigate? If only these two fraudulent documents, will even the Republican-controlled U.S. House of Representatives refuse to indict Mr. Obama for fraud in misrepresenting himself as A2S1C5 eligible for the Office of President? And if only these two fraudulent documents, will Mr. Obama continue to brass it out in spite of his obvious Constitutional deficiency? At least then-Pres. Nixon had the honor to resign.

I have not been here in awhile... Just got fed up with ALL the corruption (and trust me, there is plenty). I have filed with the Secretarty of State of South Dakota, a Ballot Challenge to keep Barack Obamas name off of the Ballot for 2012.
It was filed Feb. 22nd, I have yet to hear back from them. And with Sheriff Arpaios evidence of a Forged Birth Certificate, I think it makes my case that much stronger.

Originally Posted by PatriotofPast

I have filed with the Secretarty of State of South Dakota, a Ballot Challenge to keep Barack Obamas name off of the Ballot for 2012.

Good work, PatriotofPast. That puts you in the footprints of patriots of today and on the path of patriots of tomorrow.

Did you ask your local state representative to represent you by presenting your case to the Sec. of State?

Did you follow up on your ballot challenge by sending the S.D. Sec. of State the Arpaio Report and DVDs about other ineligibility cases, explaining Mr. Obama's Constitutional ineligibility for office?

Great job Patriot! Be confident that your efforts and diligence will bear fruit.

Sunahara v. Hawaii Dept. of Health was dismissed today, March 8, 2012.

Duncan Sunahara was appealing for a certified copy of the Hawaii birth certificate of his sister, Virginia Sunahara, who was born on Aug. 4, 1961, and died the next day, making her identity readily available to be assumed, according to the Saul Alinsky - Frank Marshall Davis school of identity theft. Aug. 4, 1961, was the same day that Barack Obama II was born - or maybe it was just the date of birth claimed for Barack Obama II, given a deceased infant's available birth certificate, taken from the Honolulu Co. Probate Judge's office, where his mother's mother, Madelyn Dunham, worked as a volunteer.

Originally Posted by Dean C. Haskins for The Birther Summit

SUNAHARA V. HDOH DISMISSED

Posted by: Dean C. Haskins
dean@birthersummit.org
202.241.3648
Posted: March 8, 2012
© 2012 The Birther Summit

I just received this message by email from Gerald Kurashima:

I just got out of the hearing. Unfortunately, the Judge ruled in favor of the State and effectively dismissed the Complaint.

The Judge treated this as a motion for summary judgment because the Judge considered matters outside the pleadings. However, the Judge did not give any reason or explanation for the ruling but just granted it in favor of the State.

We had a long discussion about HRS 338-13(a), and the Judge may have ruled that the statute provides for various forms of either a certified copy of a certificate, or contents, or any part thereof. The Court may have decided that the Director has the sole discretion as to the form of certificate it provides, but again there was no explanation given.

The State is going to prepare the Order then it will be filed. At that point there will be thirty (30) days to appeal the Judge's decision.

We will be discussing these results with him to determine what he believes Duncan's next step should be. Personally, I believe that this could be the result of the immense poisoning of vexatious and incompetent litigation that has plagued the Hawaiian court system, as this case should have been very easily won--if nothing but the law were considered. What other motivation could a state have for denying someone a photocopy of his deceased sister's original birth certificate? Developing . . .

Arpaio investigation: Obama might be Kenyan

Records that could document status mysteriously missing

Published: 14 hours ago

Among the records missing for Barack Obama that would be available for an ordinary president are passport records, school records such as those from Punahou, Occidental, Columbia and Harvard, Harvard Law Review writings, scholarly articles for the University of Chicago, state bar association records from Illinois, Illinois state senate records, the marriage and divorce documents for his mother, his adoption records and others.


Now it has been revealed that the Cold Case Posse assembled by Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, Ariz., cannot confirm yet that Obama was not born in Kenya and brought to the United States as a days-old infant for his birth to be registered in Hawaii.


The reason? Missing records.
Speculation has held that Obama actually was born in Kenya, and as the son of an American woman and Kenyan father, probably would not have been considered under any circumstances to be a “natural born citizen” of America, as the Constitution demands for presidents.


It’s been revealed that the Kenyan government actually investigated that possibility earlier, without conclusive results.


Now Arpaio’s team, which was assembled to work on a volunteer basis after hundreds of constituents expressed fear that Obama was having his name put on the 2012 election ballot in Arizona using a fraudulent document, has reported that it checked to determine whether a young mother arrived in the United States from Kenya in the days after Obama’s reported Aug. 4, 1961, birth date.


The investigation report said that the records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service cards, which were filled out by passengers of that era arriving on international flights originating outside of the United States, cannot be found.


The investigation sought the records from part of the month of August 1961, and took a researcher to the National Archives in Washington, D.C., where other records of that time and from that time frame are stored.


NOTE: In case you missed the news conference of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s “Cold Case Posse,” you can view it here.



It is the records from the week of Obama’s birth that cannot be tracked, investigators confirm.
The Arpaio report said the hunt for airline passenger flight manifests for 1961 for foreign flights landing in Honolulu was an attempt to see if Obama’s mother returned at that time.


“The idea was that if Barack Obama had been born in Kenya, or any other location outside the United States, there should be a passenger record of the airline flight on which she, a new mother, returned to Hawaii with her newly born infant son,” the report said.


But “to date, investigators have not been able to locate the relevant airline passenger flight manifests for 1961.”


What was found were records of cards the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service required all passengers – including both U.S. citizens and foreign citizens – to fill out and file with passport control when arriving in Honolulu from a foreign city of origin.


The report said, “Microfilm records of INS cards for passengers arriving in New York on foreign files in 1961 have been found in the National Archives only recently; consequently these records have not yet been examined. Microfilm records of INS cards for passengers arriving in Honolulu on foreign files originating around the Pacific rim in 1961 have been examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.”


The microfilms that were found for the time period include “NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 184, INA records from July 28, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961″ and “NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 185, INA records from Aug. 8, 1961 through Aug. 12, 1961.”


However, “Remarkably, all INS records for the week of Obama’s birth, Aug. 1 – Aug. 7, 1961, were missing from the end of Reel 184 and were not discovered anywhere on Reel 185, or any other microfilm reel in the record group,” the report said.


“The National Archives confirmed in a letter written on National Archives stationary that the INS records for foreign flights arriving in Hawaii during the week of Obama’s birth were missing, not only on the microfilm reels examined, but also in the primary database itself,” the report said.


That leaves open the door that Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was, as others have reported, visiting her husband’s family in Kenya shortly before the birth. Airlines at that time likely would not have allowed a woman expecting to give birth any day to board an extended international flight, thus creating the circumstances for Obama’s birth in Kenya.


WND reported earlier that internal Kenyan government documents reveal Obama’s step-grandmother was interviewed by agents of the National Security Intelligence Service about reports she said Obama was born in the East African nation.


As WND reported that while there’s no proof to date placing Obama’s mother in Kenya for the birth, a disputed taped telephone conversation in which step-grandmother Sarah Hussein Obama purportedly claimed he was born in the coastal city of Mombasa became an Internet sensation after its submission in a lawsuit challenging the president’s eligibility.


Philip J. Berg, a former Pennsylvania deputy attorney general, included a transcript of the taped Oct. 16, 2008, telephone interview and sworn affidavits in a filing with the U.S. Supreme Court after lower courts dismissed as frivolous his Aug. 21, 2008, complaint alleging Obama was born in Mombasa.


Critics challenge statements on the telephone call, which was conducted through an interpreter. But two members of the Obamas’ Luo tribe who are fluent in the local Luo dialect, Swahili and English, have told WND that after carefully listening to the tape they believe she declared Barack Obama Jr. was born in Kenya and that she was present at the birth.


Kenya’s NSIS later investigated those statements, according to official government letters. WND also confirmed two letters purportedly written by Kenya’s immigration secretary during the 2008 U.S. presidential election campaign stated that officials in Nairobi could not find evidence Obama was born in Kenya. But the official said the government had “information” that relevant birth records may have been removed or were missing.


An “interim report” by the NSIS issued in September 2008 “concludes that a birth certificate in the name of Barack Hussein Obama may have been issued” in Kenya “but to confirm this would require a further thorough joint investigation” by the NSIS and Kenya’s Central Intelligence Department, or CID.


The report said that none of several investigations by various officers has been conclusive and that some leads require further investigation “because it appears some powerful forces as it were are hell bent in defeating this investigation.”
The government reported some hospital records appeared to be missing.


Further, a 2009 internal NSIS report (page 1 and page 2) said conflicting stories suggest the “the Obama family is trying to hide something but are not doing a very good job of it.”


The report said, “We have also investigated Mama Sarah to find out if she is speaking the truth but she had come out as vague and incongruent. In one interview with Mama Sarah Obama our officers recorded that Mama Sarah says she cannot remember if she attended the birth of Barack Obama or visited his parents at the Coast Provincial General Hospital around the official birthday of Barack Obama. But she confessed to have had part of her family there at around the same time. Some of her brothers were already working in Mombasa. In a second interview done much later, she says that she is sure Barack Obama was born in Mombasa because she was visiting her family there when he was born, and they were called to the CPGH (Coast Provincial General Hospital) where she met Barack Obama’s mother for the first time.”


The report said she later was hostile and gave conflicting testimony about the issue.
The NSIS also reported that there were multiple alterations and insertions in the hospital records, suggesting that someone was trying “keep off track any investigations into this case.”


There also was official correspondence involving Emmanuel Kisombe, the permanent secretary in the Ministry for Immigration and Registration of Persons, who in July 2008 told the U.S. ambassador about the possibility that Obama was born in their country.
He suggested an investigation. He wrote, “We have instructions from the Head of Civil Service and Secretary to the Cabinet carrying out directions of the Cabinet sub-committee on Security and Foreign Relations to investigate and report on efficacy of reports that Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic Party aspirant in the United States could be Kenyan-born.”


He cited “numerous intelligence reports that [Obama] might have been born in Mombasa at the Lady Grigg Maternity Wing of the Coast Provincial Hospital.”
Harvard-educated Dr. Jerome Corsi, who has written several books about Obama, wrote a year ago about the theories involving a Kenyan birth for Obama.
He cited the documentation that the Immigration and Naturalization Service suspected the marriage between Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, and Barack Obama Sr. to be a sham.


And there is the fact that within weeks of the birth, Dunham moved to Seattle to take night classes at the University of Washington.


Because of the absence of information, the reasons for some of those events remain unclear. But he noted in a column, “That Ann Dunham did not return to Honolulu until after Obama Sr. left in September 1962 to begin his graduate studies at Harvard suggests the possibility an estrangement between the conception of the baby and the birth had eliminated or eroded whatever bond might have existed between the two.


“Perhaps Ann hoped that she could persuade senior members of the Obama family in Kenya that she was a well-chosen daughter-in-law and her son was a desirable grandson,” he continued. “With her leftist ideological vision and the many comments she made to friends after arriving in Seattle with her infant son, Ann Dunham may well have harbored the hope of becoming the Eva Peron of Kenya.


“If Ann Dunham had been successful in persuading Obama Sr. and his family in Africa to accept her, she might have ended up in the desirable position of being the U.S.-born wife of a U.S.-educated Kenyan husband, who faced bright political prospects after he returned to Kenya with an advanced graduate degree obtained from a prestigious U.S. university,” his analysis said. “With the last six months of her pregnancy missing in her documentable chronology, it’s possible she was not in Hawaii during that time. Air travel from Honolulu was becoming increasingly more accessible to the average person by 1961.”


He said, “That Ann Dunham was rejected both by the Obama family in Kenya and by Obama Sr. in Honolulu also provides an explanation for her precipitous decision to leave Honolulu as quickly after the baby’s birth as possible. Hope followed by rejection would then define the emotions that explain Dunham’s behavior during her 1961 pregnancy.”


He said, “Moreover, if the baby was born in Kenya, the actual date of birth might have been earlier than Aug. 4, 1961. Very possibly, the grandparents decided to register the baby’s birth with the Hawaii Department of Health when they knew their daughter was returning to Honolulu from Africa.


“That Ann Dunham as an 18-year-old took an infant baby to Seattle by herself to rent an apartment and begin night courses would make more sense if the baby had been born in Kenya earlier than Aug. 4, 1961, the date of birth consistently advanced in the official Obama nativity story.”


The Cold Case Posse dismissed so-called evidence of two newspaper announcements in Honolulu citing Obama’s birth, explaining that those same announcements also listed foreign infants as Hawaii-born, as well as listing 3-year-olds as newborns.


Under Chapter 57 of the 1955 Revised Law of the Territory of Hawaii, a family in 1961 could report a birth as Hawaiian with merely the word of a family member or witness.
That there was reason for members of his family to claim a Hawaiian birth was documented by the state of Hawaii. In a 1955 paper by Robert Bennett, the chief of the Bureau of Health Statistics of the Hawaii Department of Health, he explained the vital records system he was then implementing for the Hawaiian Islands, which soon would be a state.


In an article entitled “Vital Records in Hawaii,” published in the Hawaii Medical Journal, Vol. 15, No. 2, November-December 1955, Bennett and his co-author, George Tokuyama, chief of the Registration and Records Section, wrote:
“The requirement of a birth certificate throughout the country to show citizenship, during World War II, gave a great impetus to the completeness of registration. This and other factors have made a birth certificate the principal document an American citizen uses to prove legal facts about himself. Almost every parent knows that a baby must be registered soon after birth, not only to meet requirements of the law, but to protect the child later in life.”


There also have been conflicting reports from Obama family members about which Hawaii hospital was his birth location, and neither has been able to provide any documentation confirming it.


There also have been discrepancies reported in the image of Obama’s birth certificate that the White House purported was “proof positive” of a Hawaiian birth, including an out-of-sequence number.


Further, research has revealed that on his INS paperwork filled out the same month Barack Obama Jr. was born, Barack Obama, Sr. incorrectly lists his wife’s name as “Ann S. Dunham” instead of “Stanley Ann Dunham,” and he neglected to mention that he had any children.


Obama Sr. also listed his address at 1482 Alencastre St. in Honolulu, a bachelor apartment he never shared with his wife or child.


And passport documents released for Barack Obama Jr.’s mother by the State Department on July 29, 2010, did not include any birth certificate documentation for him, despite one hand-written memo to the file claiming he was born in Honolulu.

Arpaio investigation: Obama might be Kenyan

Originally Posted by florgal

Now Arpaio’s team... has reported that it checked to determine whether a young mother arrived in the United States from Kenya in the days after Obama’s reported Aug. 4, 1961, birth date.

The investigation report said that the records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service cards, which were filled out by passengers of that era arriving on international flights originating outside of the United States, cannot be found.

The investigation sought the records from part of the month of August 1961, and took a researcher to the National Archives in Washington, D.C., where other records of that time and from that time frame are stored.

It is the records from the week of Obama’s birth that cannot be tracked, investigators confirm.

The Arpaio report said the hunt for airline passenger flight manifests for 1961 for foreign flights landing in Honolulu was an attempt to see if Obama’s mother returned at that time.

“The idea was that if Barack Obama had been born in Kenya, or any other location outside the United States, there should be a passenger record of the airline flight on which she, a new mother, returned to Hawaii with her newly born infant son,” the report said.

But “to date, investigators have not been able to locate the relevant airline passenger flight manifests for 1961.”

What was found were records of cards the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service required all passengers – including both U.S. citizens and foreign citizens – to fill out and file with passport control when arriving in Honolulu from a foreign city of origin.

The report said, “Microfilm records of INS cards for passengers arriving in New York on foreign files in 1961 have been found in the National Archives only recently; consequently these records have not yet been examined. Microfilm records of INS cards for passengers arriving in Honolulu on foreign files originating around the Pacific rim in 1961 have been examined at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.”

The microfilms that were found for the time period include “NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 184, INA records from July 28, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961″ and “NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 185, INA records from Aug. 8, 1961 through Aug. 12, 1961.”

However, “Remarkably, all INS records for the week of Obama’s birth, Aug. 1 – Aug. 7, 1961, were missing from the end of Reel 184 and were not discovered anywhere on Reel 185, or any other microfilm reel in the record group,” the report said.

“The National Archives confirmed in a letter written on National Archives stationary that the INS records for foreign flights arriving in Hawaii during the week of Obama’s birth were missing, not only on the microfilm reels examined, but also in the primary database itself,” the report said.

“That Ann Dunham as an 18-year-old took an infant baby to Seattle by herself to rent an apartment and begin night courses would make more sense if the baby had been born in Kenya earlier than Aug. 4, 1961, the date of birth consistently advanced in the official Obama nativity story.”

The Cold Case Posse dismissed so-called evidence of two newspaper announcements in Honolulu citing Obama’s birth, explaining that those same announcements also listed foreign infants as Hawaii-born, as well as listing 3-year-olds as newborns.

Obama Sr. also listed his address at 1482 Alencastre St. in Honolulu, a bachelor apartment he never shared with his wife or child.

As has been discussed on this thread, Anna Obama steered clear of Obama Sr. after giving birth to Barack II, purportedly on Aug. 4, 1961. (However, that may be only Virginia Sunahara's birth date, if those were her missing Hawaiian birth documents, bearing Hawaii Dept. of Health file number 151 61 10641, which were digitally edited to become Hawaiian birth documents for Barack Obama II.)

Anna Obama set up housekeeping in Seattle (on Capitol Hill, at 516 13th Avenue E, Apt. 2,) on Aug. 17, 1961, began extension (night) classes at the Univ. of Washington on Aug. 19th, and did not return to Hawaii until June of 1962, after Obama Sr. had left Hawaii and moved to Cambridge, Mass., to attend Harvard.

IF she indeed had her baby at Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, at 7:24 pm on Aug. 4, 1961, then she probably would not have taken the baby from the hospital before the morning of Aug. 7th. She could not have reached the U.S. before midnight that night, and perhaps not before midnight the next night. Unless she rushed the baby out of the hospital at 7 am on Aug. 6th, only 36 hours after being born, or unless the birth date is incorrect, the missing records of foreign-originating flight arrivals in Honolulu between Aug. 1st and Aug. 7th, 1961, are irrelevant.

If Anna Obama flew into Honolulu from Seattle and returned, that would explain the absence of her name in the INA records for Honolulu. If private airlines did not transport babies until 1972, as Joseph Farah once suggested, that would uncrate a fine kettle of fish... that would also make it implausible, even well nigh impossible, for Anna Obama to have given birth in Honolulu 15 days before starting night school in Seattle (of which there IS a valid record), with her baby in the care of a babysitter, her neighbor, Mary Toutonghi.

But in reality, private airlines did transport babies, even newborns,
at least as far back as 50 years ago (1962).

Originally Posted by The U.S. Dept. of State

A Consular Report of Birth Abroad, Form FS-240,
is official evidence of U.S. citizenship issued to a
person under the age of 18 who was born abroad to
U.S. citizen parent(s) and acquired citizenship at birth.

U.S. Citizen Children | Embassy of the United States London, UK

After giving birth in Kenya, Anna Obama would have attempted to get a Consular Report of Birth Abroad and failed, because the baby did not acquire U.S. citizenship at birth, because his mother, the U.S. citizen parent, was not yet 19 years old, the age required at that time by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (INA 1952). Without an FS-240, she would have been stopped cold from flying the baby into the United States, apart from getting the baby a British Protected Citizen (Kenya) passport, which would have taken more time and would have created a foreign identity. Anna and her parents probably did not want that, given that only a day or two later, they registered the baby in Honolulu instead.

But bringing contraband into the U.S. by car would have been no problem for the 18 year old former Mercer Island, Wash., communist revolutionary. It would have been no problem for her to travel with her undocumented newborn from Mombasa to Nairobi in Kenya, a British Protectorate, to London or Glasgow, to St. John's, Newfoundland, to Toronto, to Vancouver, with intermediate stops where scheduled - all without having to present a passport. From Vancouver, it would have been no problem for her to smuggle her baby into the U.S.. She would have known whom to call for a ride, and exactly where and how to cross into the U.S. without having to present immigration papers for her newborn.

On the other hand, just for conjecture's sake: if she had not left Hawaii, and if she had given birth (hypothetically) in a Honolulu hospital... The 400 sq. ft. guest house in the back yard at 6085 Kalaniana'ole Hwy. would have been barely large enough for Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, and far too small to accommodate a pregnant daughter who was not going to school, while also keeping Obama Sr. away. Living in Hawaii for those six months and having the baby in Honolulu would have occasioned Obama Sr. making contact with Anna, which would not have fit into her life's path of divorcing him quickly, quietly, and without contest, cohabitation, or custody.

The above is almost entirely speculation, but if anyone has a better explanation of how Anna Obama could have shunned Obama Sr. from February to August and kept him from establishing the father-son relationship with his newborn, first-born son, I'd love to hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/v/U5ut6yPrObw

The Battle of Athens, Tennessee, August 1-2, 1946,

where returning WWII veterans, armed and willing to do battle,
recovered the ballot boxes from the corrupt local "government",
so-called, illegally installed by fraudulent elections and enabled by
an unconcerned U.S. Dept. of Justice, which looked the other way.

Originally Posted by steve m at orlytaitzesq.com

James, complacency like your comment and fear to fight for what’s right is exactly what got us in this situation in the first place! There ARE honest Congressmen and some have strayed terribly but there will be those who will correct their course.

Steve M, James is neither complacent nor afraid to fight, but he has been through the "exercise of Congress" - writing, faxing, calling, perhaps visiting in person, maybe demonstrating at the Congress person's branch office... all for what? To get in return a franked envelope with the Congressional Research Service cover-up letter inside?

Steve M, I agree with you that we need to keep our heads up and our arms from sagging and run right at 'em. I also agree with James that we need to seek out other avenues for redress of grievances besides those that are sealed off: the Dept. of Justice, the U.S. Attorneys and Inspectors General, the federal courts, and the U.S. Congress.

For example, Sheriff Joe should be encouraged to pressure the Arizona Attorney General to take the Cold Case Posse findings to the U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of the State of Arizona.

For example, when Mr. Obama goes to a state to campaign, the state Adjutant General should bring the National Guard to meet him at the airport, and deny him entry into the state until he presents proof that he is actually a U.S. citizen.

For example, when any Congresscritter dares to return home to campaign, the hall should be filled with camera-toting patriots, carrying signs and banners demanding that he or she honor his or her oath to support and defend the Constitution of the U.S., Art. ii, § 1, ¶ 5, the natural born Citizen clause.

But if the door is shut, locked, barred, and barricaded, find the service entrance, the underground parking elevator, a window, a skylight, an exhaust fan... or try somewhere else!

MinuteMan, you logic (in answer to FlorGal) seems pure to me. Because we are dealing with what is now a professional fraudster who has unlimited resources with which he can use to cover his crimes, we may never know for certain.

Juan