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    TMOT: Now You're Smarter Than Ron Paul?

    Submitted by ralph hornsby on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 14:49
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    As usual, TMOT has the best perspective of things.



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    Ron Paul has never changed on Illegal Immigration

    the ONLY person that is changed is Romney by using Rubio

    We will not vote for Mittens under NO circumstances

    When R'Money's true side is revealed fingers are going to be pointed at those that endorsed him

    In many peoples mind Its no one by Paul.. we will not get behind Romney
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    GOP Delegates Revolt Against Romney & RNC

    Submitted by Ben Parish on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 16:14
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    SANTA ANA, Calif. (CN) - In a revolt against Romney, 123 would-be convention delegates claim the Republican National Committee has used violence, intimidation and ballot stuffing to deter them from voting for the candidate of their choice on every ballot at the national convention, including the first.

    All 123 named plaintiffs are from states in the 9th Circuit. They sued the Republican National Committee, its Chairman Reince Priebus, and every state party chairman in the 9th Circuit.

    "Plaintiffs are delegates elected to nominate the Republican nominee for president of the United States at a national convention to be held commencing the week of August 27, 2012, in Tampa, Florida," the complaint states.

    "Names [sic - recte: Named] plaintiffs and plaintiffs identified as Does 1 through 1,000 are residents of the United States, including all states within the jurisdiction of the 9th Circuit Federal Court who are duly elected delegates, alternate delegates, delegates elected by being denied certification due to their refusal to surrender their voting rights to vote in accordance with the free exercise of their conscience and not be bound to the nominee of defendant's choice."

    The Republican rebels say they want to be "unbound to vote their conscience free from any intimidation from any person or entity."

    The complaint continues: "Plaintiffs come to Federal Court to seek the guidance of the court regarding the federal question as to whether plaintiffs are free to vote their conscience on the first and all ballots at the federal election known as the Republican National Convention, or whether plaintiffs are bound to vote for a particular candidate as instructed by defendants' state party bylaws, or state laws, or the preference of political operatives seeking affidavits of loyalty to a particular candidate under penalty of perjury."

    Citing 42 U.S.C., the plaintiffs claim it is illegal to try to force people to vote for a specific candidate: "'No person, whether acting under the color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of president.'" (Continued: Courthouse News)

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    Is a GOP Goon Squad Intimidating Ron Paul Delegates into Voting Romney at Convention?

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    Wed., Jun. 13 2012 at 12:39 PM

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    The Republican National Committee (RNC) is using violence, intimidation and ballot stuffing to deter 123 would-be convention delegates from voting for Ron Paul at the Aug. 27 convention in Tampa, Florida. So claims a civil rights lawsuit filed at the Ronald Reagan Courthouse in Santa Ana against the RNC, its chairman Reince Priebus and various state GOP chairmen. Among the complaints is uniformed GOP goon squads are hassling Paul delegates.

    Brought by lawyers from Richard Gilbert & Marlowe, which represents the Texas congressman, the suit seeks to "unbound" Paul delegates "to vote their conscience free from any intimidation from any person or entity." The plaintiff delegates and defendant party chairmen come from states in the 9th Circuit federal court, which are Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon and Washington. Downtown Santa Ana's Reagan building is a 9th Circuit courthouse.

    The plaintiffs describe the suit in the following video:

    Is a GOP Goon Squad Intimidating Ron Paul Delegates into Voting Romney at Convention? By Matt Coker Wed., Jun. 13 2012 at 12:39 PM Comments (10) Categories: Court, Elections, Politics  ron-paul-150.jpg The Republican National Committee (RNC) is using violence, intimidation and ballot stuffing to deter 123 would-be convention delegates from voting for Ron Paul at the Aug. 27 convention in Tampa, Florida. So claims a civil rights lawsuit filed at the Ronald Reagan Courthouse in Santa Ana against the RNC, its chairman Reince Priebus and various state GOP chairmen. Among the complaints is uniformed GOP goon squads are hassling Paul delegates.  Brought by lawyers from Richard Gilbert & Marlowe, which represents the Texas congressman, the suit seeks to "unbound" Paul delegates "to vote their conscience free from any intimidation from any person or entity." The plaintiff delegates and defendant party chairmen come from states in the 9th Circuit federal court, which are Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon and Washington. Downtown Santa Ana's Reagan building is a 9th Circuit courthouse. The plaintiffs describe the suit in the following video:



    "Plaintiffs come to Federal Court," states the complaint, "to seek the guidance of the court regarding the federal question as to whether plaintiffs are free to vote their conscience on the first and all ballots at the federal election known as the Republican National Convention, or whether plaintiffs are bound to vote for a particular candidate as instructed by defendants' state party bylaws, or state laws, or the preference of political operatives seeking affidavits of loyalty to a particular candidate under penalty of perjury."

    The Paul delegates cite federal law that reads: "No person, whether acting under the color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of president."

    Republican Party bylaws also indicate delegates are free to vote for whichever candidate they want. Yet, according to the suit, Paul delegates have been harassed in nearly every state for failing to support Mitt Romney.

    "This harassment included the use of violence, intimidating demands that delegates sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial penalties and fines if the delegate fails to vote as instructed by defendants rather than vote the delegate's conscience," states the complaint.

    The Paul backers even claim RNC goon squads--in the form of thugs dressed in dark security guard clothing--have been employed to intimidate them.

    And despite what you may have read, heard or seen from the media, the Paul delegates claim Romney does not yet have the GOP nomination sewn up.

    "Governor Romney does not have 1,144 delegates, the minimum number of delegates required to win the nomination, and no candidate can be assured that they are the nominee until the delegates vote because the delegates have a statutory and constitutional right to vote their conscience," reads the complaint.

    To get closer to their desired outcome, the GOP brass has "fixed" elections, "stuffed ballots" and "changed ballot results" to favor Romney, "including programming a voting machine in Arizona to count Ron Paul votes as Governor Romney votes," the complaint alleges.

    It is further claimed delegates who do not sign loyalty affidavits to Romney "are told they may not serve as delegates, even though they were duly elected," claims the suit, which singles out Priebus for orchestrating the intimidation.

    Besides allowing the delegates to vote for the candidate of their choice, the lawsuit seeks recounts of suspect ballots and the reinstatement of Paul delegates who lost their seats at the convention because they refused to sign loyalty affidavits.

    The RNC and Paul campaign, which previously advised its delegates to lay low before the convention, are so far maintaining stony silence on the complaint.

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    Marco Rubio Walking the Amnesty Tightrope?

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    Rubio's DREAM Act Gamble; Just in Time For The 2012 Election.


    Sen. Marco Rubio prepares to unleash his own DREAM Act, but will help or hurt the GOP with Latino Voters?

    By Lauren Fox

    June 12, 2012

    GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney isn't the only member of the GOP out to get the Republicans a slice of the growing Latino voter pie. [Marco Rubio All the Buzz Online.]


    Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, rumored to be on Romney's short list for vice president, isn't waiting for the VEEP nod to start shaping a pro-immigration image for his party.

    Rubio is throwing his political weight into fighting the stereotype that Republicans in Congress are on the wrong side of the immigration. [Schlesinger: Mitt Romney's Campaign Pivots.]


    "It is a really tough line because Republicans are not necessarily used to courting [Latinos]," says Audrey Singer, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. "The policies that are favored by the party run against a lot of the issues Latinos care about, immigration being one of them."

    But Rubio will have his name on two immigration bills this year — just in time for the 2012 election.

    "It is for certain that any positions Rubio or any other politician takes right now are taken with the presidential election in mind," says Christopher Deering, a professor of political science at George Washington University. "He's an idiot if he is not."

    The junior senator from Florida co-sponsored the START 2.0 Act, legislation that would offer immigrants with advanced degrees in Science, Technology, Engineering or Mathematics a path to citizenship in May. And he is expected to introduce his own version of the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act DREAM Act in upcoming weeks.

    While the exact language of the legislation is still veiled in secrecy, the bill will be a much more limited approach to immigration reform and would allow students pursuing higher education or military service temporary legal residency. [See a collection of political cartoons on immigration.]

    Unlike Sen. Richard Durbin's DREAM Act, Rubio's won't offer immigrants a path to citizenship.

    "This idea that he is working on would be narrow in its scope," says Rubio spokesman Alex Conant. "It is not the comprehensive approach to fixing a broken immigration system. This is very targeted to young people who are in a situation by no fault of their own."

    The cost of the program, as well as the number of young immigrants it would affect, are still unknown, but the legislation is making headway on an issue few Republicans have brought to the forefront.
    Durbin, for one, has indicated a desire to reach across the aisle to his Republican colleague to find a bipartisan solution.

    While Singer says the plan is a far cry from the more sweeping legislation that has failed in the past or comprehensive immigration ref promised by President Barack Obama during the 2008 campaign, she says Rubio's moves could help to soften Latino Voters' perceptions of the GOP.

    "Hispanic voters are paying attention to the kinds of things that are eye catching, this Dream Act or other forms of legalization are just that," Singer says. "It is hard to imagine that people can really get behind [Rubio's DREAM Act], but when you have been waiting so long even a diminished version seems positive."

    But others warn Rubio's immigration legislation might turn off the Latino voters it was intended to woo or is too little too late.

    "I don't think this will have any impact on the presidential election," Deering said."Republicans are on the wrong side on the immigration issue and Democrats are on the right side. They have tried to soften their immigration positions and have done so somewhat, but those are very nuanced distinctions... They are tip-toeing away from pretty strong positions."

    A Latino Decisions poll reveals that while nearly half of the Hispanics polled support Rubio's proposal as a positive step forward, Latino voters still prefer Durbin's version of the DREAM Act.

    However, Rubio isn't working alone. Off the hill, and in districts across the country, the National Republican Congressional Committee is engaged in some of the party's largest Hispanic outreach efforts.

    Spokeswoman Andrea Bozek says the NRCC has 25 Republican Latino candidates running from Texas to Florida as well as strategic outreach programs to get out the vote in Latino communities.

    "By and large Hispanics care about jobs and the economy first and foremost. With unemployment among Hispanics at 11 percent, they are going to look at the Democrats' job-destroying policies that have made the economy worse and hold them accountable in November."

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    A Vice President Rubio Would Help a President Romney Immigrate to Washington

    Florida Senator Marco Rubio should be selected to be Mitt Romney’s Vice President on his Presidential ticket this Fall. Turning around the failing economy and increasing jobs will remain a priority for the country throughout the election season, but comprehensive immigration reform is also an important priority among Hispanics and non-Hispanics alike. Marco Rubio has the fiscal conservative bona fides to support the Romney economic plan but more importantly he brings unparalleled expertise and credibility on immigration reform expanding Republican appeal to voters unhappy with the Obama Administration’s neglect on this issue.

    Senator Rubio has already outlined many principles of a forthcoming comprehensive approach to reforming immigration that deserves both a fair hearing in the Hispanic community but also in the halls of Congress. Importantly, Democrats have crafted legislation on immigration (the “DREAM Act”) that remains extremely popular with Hispanics garnering upwards of 90% support–a support level Republicans must conceded warrants serious evaluation in any attempts at comprehensive reform.

    Mitt Romney has demonstrated openness to a diverse set of opinions on this topic through his recently announced “Juntos con Romney” team comprising many DREAM Act supporters including a bill co-sponsor. “Juntos con Romney” is charged with attracting crucial Hispanic voters who are expected to possibly determine the outcome in closely contested states like Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada and New Mexico.

    At the same time, Governor Romney supports secure borders and Federal enforcement of the borders–positions extremely popular with non-Hispanics. A Romney Administration can also be expected to fill the void of Federal neglect on enforcement and not outsource border security to private citizens.
    With Marco Rubio on the ticket, comprehensive immigration reform can be expected to be a priority in a Romney Administration where everyone is invited to the table and everyone’s voice will be heard on an issue important to all Americans.

    The Obama Administration fears both Rubio and his efforts at immigration reform evidenced by White House attempts to dissuade reform activists from even sitting down with Rubio – how’s that for open dialogue? At the same time, Obama friendly media outlets have run incredibly dishonest hit pieces on the popular Senator to little effect. Clearly Mr. Rubio is on to something that scares this White House – something Mitt Romney should capitalize on.


    Republicans have made mistakes on immigration in the past. Mitt Romney has made mistakes on immigration in the past. But it is time for Republicans to reach out to the Hispanic community, include them in formulating immigration policy, and heal old wounds because Hispanics simply want what all Americans want — an opportunity at the American Dream.

    There are scant few dissenting voices that immigration reform is needed and with Marco Rubio as Vice President, a Romney Presidency won’t talk big about immigration and then ignore it until it is time for re-election.

    As for concerns over Rubio’s friendship with Congressional Representative David Rivera, if Barack Obama can be easily elected President while his long-time chief fundraiser is getting sentenced to prison, I think the chances of a Romney candidacy will be unchanged if his Vice President happens to have a personal friend with an ethical challenge or two.

    Senator Rubio has unquestioned credentials as a fiscal conservative, support of Tea Party activists evidenced by repeatedly winning Vice President straw polls at Conservative Political Action Conferences (CPAC) and is a living embodiment of the American Dream as the son of immigrants rising to the highest political offices in the country.

    With Marco Rubio on the Presidential ticket and DREAM Act supporters comprising the leadership of “Juntos con Romney”, it is undeniable that a Romney Administration’s reform of immigration will be comprehensive in its approach, respectful in its application and inclusive of Hispanic community concerns.
    That is what all Hispanics want. That is what all Americans want. And that is the promise of a Mitt Romney-Marco Rubio Administration. ©
    – “Keith Backer”

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    Guest Post: Do The Parasitic Elite Pay Any Taxes?


    Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/13/2012 13:23 -0400

    Submitted by Charles Hugh Smith from Of Two Minds

    Do the Parasitic Elite Pay Any Taxes?

    The parasitic financial Elite don't do any "work" in the sense of something beneficial for society, as no voluntary payment for their services exists.

    If a parasite's entire income is leeched from the productive, then isn't their entire income a tax on those creating value? In this sense, the share of the parasite's income which is carved off by the Central State as tax revenues is a secondary tax: the parasite's entire income is a tax on the economy.

    This distinction between legitimate wealth derived from value creation (think Steve Jobs/computer industry) and parasitic wealth skimmed from the productive (think Mitt Romney/investment banker) is the heart of Correspondent James B.'s insightful inquiry into the question: can the parasitic Elite be said to pay taxes at all, given that their income is itself a tax on legitimate wealth creation?

    I'd like to add something to your recent essay Income Tax Solution: Apply Social Security Taxes to the Super-Wealthy. (June 1, 2012)

    I'm a former banking executive and I've had the opportunity to figure things out from the inside. (Emphasis added: CHS)

    In the article it mentions the disparity between what the rich pay in terms of percentage of earnings for income tax compared to the middle class.

    However, a substantial portion of the rich earn their income by co-opting the income of the middle class via money-printing / income suppression. They can do this by being in the loop for the "money printing" machine as the Fed manages the economy to benefit the connected Elite.

    I think it's underappreciated that the banking system and the financial system has been perpetually bailed out on a moment-by-moment basis by printing money to cover duration mismatch while the Fed has replaced transaction balances with credit - thus enforcing a spread for the benefit of the connected financial Elite, corporate CEOs, etc. This has been going on for decades with periodic accelerations of the bailout process due to mismatched duration excess (i.e. the Austrian Economics Business Cycle).

    The middle class (the workers) put value into the currency by producing, while the money-printers take that value out (by dilution, and by lobbying with the value they've stolen). It is an organized, structured system of theft, and that includes VISA, etc. which are cash substitutes because cash has been replaced with credit transactions. No amount of taxes are ever "paid" by those rich, as all their income is stolen.

    For example, quite a number of top banker CEOs have not paid any taxes in the economic sense, they are not productive (they are destructive), and that is true even if their 1040 says they pay "60%". Someone else (a producer) paid their taxes ... Money really is a "veil" in this case. It diverts from the truth.

    Unfortunately, the legitimate rich are really hurt by this process, as they impart tremendous value and have that value taxed away. They are, in a sense, the justification for hitting the lower and middle classes, and they suffer particularly for it.

    In my view, we should make all cuts and adjustments from the top down, starting with those institutions that destroy value (pretty easy, just let the market work and let the organizations fail), as that is where the problem lies, and there can be no recovery as the poor simply do not impart enough impact in this parasitic process to make the difference. In fact, many poor simply want a job, and jobs are hard to find as the impediments to working rise higher and higher with the necessity of rationing the spoils in a crony capitalist system.

    A recent Levy research article noted the total support by the Fed for the banking system was 29 trillion dollars. While that is not direct cash infusion (with FNMA / FHLMC / FHA, and other back door programs) - there is simply no group in the U.S. with as much influence and welfare.

    In other words, the connected insider Elite pay nothing at all in taxes - and in fact they don't do any "work" in the sense of something beneficial for society as no voluntary payment for their services exists.
    Thank you, James.

    That last line is profound: investment bankers like Mitt Romney don't solicit voluntary payments for buying companies and reshuffling the assets to skim their parasitic siphoning of the wealth created by others.

    If we understand the difference between parasitic wealth and real value/wealth creation, we can properly align the tax structure to reality: the tax on authentic wealth creation should be low, to encourage wealth creation and the employment (broad-based wealth creation) generated by legitimate value creation.

    We must also understand that the Central State now protects and enables parasitic skimming as the primary function of the nation's financial system. Thus the entire financial system is parasitic on the wealth of the nation.

    Financial parasitic incomes should be taxed at 99%. If Mitt Romney reshuffles assets created by others and skims $100 million, 99% of that parasitic wealth should be returned to the nation via taxes. The parasite still gets to keep $1 million, more than enough to live well but not enough to buy the presidency, the Congress and the regulatory machinery of the Central State.

    All those who claim the Mitt Romney/investment bankers are "creating wealth" are either terribly confused about value creation and capitalism, or they are lackeys/ apologists of the parasitic Elite.

    If we cannot grasp the difference between parasitic wealth and legitimate value/wealth creation, then we are well and truly lost.

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    Concentrate People! Forget Rand And Focus On The Montana, Iowa & Virginia State Conventions On Saturday June 16th

    Submitted by sovereignjanice on Wed, 06/13/2012 - 19:31
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    Please, everyone, shut up about Rand. Whether your focus is about Ron getting the nomination or having the numbers to change the platform or something else at the convention, WE NEED DELEGATES TO DO THAT!

    My state had a primary so I don't have much to suggest about caucus state conventions. Other than SHOW UP!! Only 5 Ron Paul people in my county showed up to my state convention and we had contact info of over 10 Paul supporters. That can't happen to you guys.

    Email everyone you have contact info for and remind them to show. Call everyone you have phone numbers for and remind them to show. Email and call everyone you have email addresses and phone numbers for and offer them a ride to go!!!

    These last few days we need to blitz everyone. NO excuses.

    The MONTANA GOP has put out a tentative schedule for the State Convention:


    http://mtgop.org/images/convo2012/public%20agenda%20-%20rev%...


    Per this schedule, the Montana State Convention actually begins Thursday with registration at Noon. There will then be Platform committee meetings all afternoon.

    Registration resumes Friday morning for the "Delegate" and "Platform" Conventions, and ends at 10:00am. Therefore, if our delegates are not present and registered by Friday at 10:00am, they will not be able to participate in selecting the Tampa delegates, or in adopting the platform!

    Delegate selection will take place Friday afternoon, and the Platform will be dealt with Saturday morning. The only thing on the schedule for Saturday afternoon is a "Young Republican Meeting." The Convention is set to end Saturday at 5:00pm.

    Liberty delegates, please show up early Friday morning at the latest! If you arrive after that, you will miss the most important parts of the process! Thank you!

    IOWA:
    "Saturday 16 June 2012: The Iowa State Republican Convention officially convenes. 25 of 28 National Convention delegates are selected.

    The delegates to the Iowa State Republican Convention gather: at this time, the delegates to the State Convention from each county making up a given congressional district meet in separate Congressional District Caucuses to choose the state's district delegates to the Republican National Convention.

    Each of Iowa's 4 congressional districts are assigned 3 National Convention delegates. Thus, a total of 12 district delegates will be chosen by these Congressional District Caucuses. These 12 delegates to the Republican National Convention will be allocated to the presidential contenders in such a way as determined by each Congressional District Caucus.

    The State Convention chooses the remaining 13 at-large of Iowa's delegates (10 base at-large delegates plus 3 bonus delegates) to the Republican National Convention.

    There is no formal system of allocating these 13 at-large National Convention delegates to presidential contenders. These delegates will be allocated according to the vote of the Iowa State Convention as a whole.

    In addition, 3 party leaders, the National Committeeman, the National Committeewoman, and the chairman of the Iowa's Republican Party, will attend the convention as unpledged delegates by virtue of their position."

    Iowa Democratic Delegation 2012

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