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“We have to talk about the violence and who the perpetrators are,” Sheriff Clarke said, arguing that many young black males have “no care whatsoever for their fellow man.”

He argued that the media need to “confront this ugly truth, and talk about it.”

David Clarke, black Milwaukee sheriff: ‘I’m living testament’ America not racist

It's not racism. It's not because they're black, it's not because they're male either. It's because they live in poor violent communities. Violence breeds violence. Everyone knows that. So, you have to figure out how to break it up, bust, disperse it, change it and stop it. These communities have to be busted up. They have to be redeveloped and gentrified.

Originally Posted by Judy

That's not strange when it's in all black communities. It makes sense that the crime in all black communities is committed by blacks on blacks in their communities. There just seems to be a higher rate of crime in these communities and that's probably because of the high poverty due to lack of jobs in expensive areas to live. Ghettos in inner cities are violent places. Always have been.

"Idleness leads to wickedness."

Trump seems to understand this and has for a long time. That's why he wants to redevelop these areas, break 'em up, bring in industry and businesses, create good jobs and turn them into prosperous and safe areas.

Originally Posted by Judy

It's not racism. It's not because they're black, it's not because they're male either. It's because they live in poor violent communities. Violence breeds violence. Everyone knows that. So, you have to figure out how to break it up, bust, disperse it, change it and stop it. These communities have to be busted up. They have to be redeveloped and gentrified.

This is twice where you have rather pointedly suggested that these impoverished black communities need to be torn down like condemned buildings. And it would appear that you are talking about actual communities rather than neighborhoods, communities being relationships between people and a neighborhood being something of a material territory and its building, infrastructure, etc.

Could you expand on that a little, maybe clarify it? When you talk about gentrification, this always means the displacement of the original inhabitants to be replaced by more affluent occupants not of the original "community".

Perhaps besides the point, but Barak Obama did not originate from, nor did he ever grow up in a "black community". His African father was never even a US citizen.

Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson

02/26/2017, 01:14pm

CPD Supt. Eddie Johnson still waiting on state crime bill

Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson says he was promised a state crime bill would be introduced in January. | Sun-Times file photo


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Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson has been vocal, especially in recent weeks, about his frustration with state lawmakers not passing legislation to stiffen penalties for “repeat gun offenders.”

Johnson hinted at a cause of some of that frustration during a news conference Friday to announce dozens of arrests in overnight raids.

“They promised me that we would have something done in January. We’re at the end of February,” Johnson said.

He went on to mention that state Rep. Elgie Sims Jr. and state Sen. Kwame Raoul, both Chicago Democrats, “are crafting the language for a bill, and I know that they are supportive of CPD.”

“I’m just counting on them to push it along because we need that,” Johnson said.

Chicago Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said Johnson “was told in his conversations to expect a draft to be introduced in January,” though he didn’t say who offered assurances to Johnson about the time frame.

Sims told the Chicago Sun-Times “there were some discussions about hopefully some developments” on a piece of legislation by January, but “I don’t know about ‘promised.’”

Sims, Raoul, state Sen. Tony Munoz, D-Chicago, and state Rep. Mike Zalewski, D-Riverside, have been working on legislation to curb the city’s shootings since the fall of 2016.

No date has been set for any legislation to be introduced, Sims said.


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“Everybody’s trying to do what’s in the best interest of having a package that makes communities safe,” Sims said. “The legislative session is just starting.”

The four lawmakers are taking the long view on any legislation and not looking for a quick fix, he said.

“We’re making sure [the legislation] is not just about incarcerating individuals but also about improving public safety,” Sims said.

“The goal is not just to pass something. You want to pass something that is good for public safety.”

In an emailed statement Saturday, spokesman Matt McGrath said Mayor Rahm Emanuel felt positive about the work being done in Springfield.

“The mayor has made no secret of the fact that he believes tougher sentences for gun crimes are an essential component of our comprehensive approach to public safety, and we’re optimistic about progress in Springfield,” McGrath said.

Johnson, however, preached urgency Friday, less than two weeks after the city saw three children — all 12 or younger — fatally shot within a matter of days on the South and West sides.

“To be a leader with any effective decision making, and you live in this city and you are responsible for these communities that are being ravaged by this gun violence, if you’re OK every day sitting by, watching these people die, and that’s OK with you, then good luck with that,” Johnson said. “But if you care at all, you should be helping the city do something about this violence.”

Sims said Johnson has been “very active” in the legislative drafting process.


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“The superintendent is particularly passionate about this subject,” Sims said. “He wants the community to be safe, and I share that concern.”

Munoz, Raoul and Zalewski could not be reached for comment.

Johnson said Friday that while long-term solutions such as mentoring and economic development are crucial in the effort to reduce shootings, the families of murder victims are more concerned with repeat gun offenders going in and out of custody.

“Right now, when I go into homes on the South and West sides of Chicago, those mothers aren’t asking me about long-term solutions, ‘What are you going to do about the economic development of this neighborhood?’ They don’t ask me about that,” Johnson said.

“They want to know, ‘How come that guy that killed my son is still out there? And you all know who it is, I know who it is. Why did you all lock him up, and now he’s right back out on the street?’

They want to know the answer to that.”

Seven people were fatally shot in Chicago Wednesday, making it the deadliest day of 2017 so far. A Sun-Times analysis of city crime data found it was the 21st time since 2001 that at least seven people were killed in a single day.

After Trump threatened in a Tweet last month to “send in the Feds!” 20 additional agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives were reassigned to Chicago.

Emanuel recently traveled to Washington, D.C., to meet with newly confirmed U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions and discuss “what might be done to combat the shootings and bring back proactive community policing,” according to a Justice Department spokesman.

“It’s amazing to me that we don’t get more help, but CPD will keep doing its part, and we’ll keep taking these bad guys off the streets,” Johnson said.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/cpd...te-crime-bill/

Originally Posted by pkskyali

This is twice where you have rather pointedly suggested that these impoverished black communities need to be torn down like condemned buildings. And it would appear that you are talking about actual communities rather than neighborhoods, communities being relationships between people and a neighborhood being something of a material territory and its building, infrastructure, etc.

Could you expand on that a little, maybe clarify it? When you talk about gentrification, this always means the displacement of the original inhabitants to be replaced by more affluent occupants not of the original "community".

Perhaps besides the point, but Barak Obama did not originate from, nor did he ever grow up in a "black community". His African father was never even a US citizen.

Well, yes, that is what I'm saying. You can't free them from the ghetto if you keep them pinned to it. They need to move on and up. Can they figure out a fit for themselves in the revitalized areas, I'm sure some can and will, perhaps a lot will, but many need to just pack up, go to another place and re-start their lives.

There's a whole big beautiful country out there for them, and if they've lived their whole lives stuck in a Chicago ghetto, it's time to leave the ghetto and begin anew on fresh ground with new faces, make new friends, get a good job, and find a nice place to live they can afford and join the human race. It's the same for all the inner city ghettos. They need to move on, away, out and up.

Most Americans have moved somewhere at least once or twice, to go to school, to go to work, to join the service, to take a better job, to be transferred by their employer to another job in another location. This is the real world, it's time they joined it.

Most gang members have a criminal record so they can't join the military and most companies won't hire them.
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That's not limited to gang members, JD2. That applies to the general population.

Since 2001, American law enforcement has arrested around 1.5 million Americans a year, just on non-violent drug charges, 80% or more for possession only, 40% of those for pot possession. Those are all felonies. Lives ruined by the War on Drugs. Can't work, can't get a job. Doesn't sound very "conservative" to me. 1.5 million Americans x 16 years = 24 million unemployable Americans. Congratulations!!

Time to end the spectacularly vile, costly and stupid ... War on Drugs.

If you'd concentrated those resources arresting illegal aliens, we wouldn't have one left to worry about.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Crim....AMZe4uG8.dpbs

Originally Posted by Judy

That's not limited to gang members, JD2. . .

I didn't say it did.

I didn't say you said it did!