Thread: Illegal immigrants not U.S. health care burden: study

Talk about 'asshat' research! Not one piece of empiracle data, no cost studies, no statistics, no checking of hospital and commuity health care clinic costs, no checking with medical experts and health care experts. But what we do have is phone calls to illegal aliens who answer some questions and we are supposed to believe from their (honest?) answers that illegal aliens are not a health care cost burden to the U.S? ARE YOU FREAKIN' KIDDIN' ME?!!!?

Illegal immigrants not U.S. health care burden: study

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illegal Latino immigrants do not cause a drag on the U.S. health care system as some critics have contended and in fact get less care than Latinos in the country legally, researchers said on Monday.

Such immigrants tend not to have a regular doctor or other health-care provider yet do not visit emergency rooms -- often a last resort in such cases -- with any more frequency than Latinos born in the United States, according to the report from the University of California's School of Public Health.

The finding from Alexander Ortega and colleagues at the school was based on a 2003 telephone survey of thousands of California residents, including 1,317 undocumented Mexicans, 2,851 citizens with Mexican immigrant parents, 271 undocumented Latinos from countries other than Mexico and 852 non-Mexican Latinos born in the United States.

About 8.4 million of the 10.3 million illegal aliens in the United States are Latino, of which 5.9 million are from Mexico, the report said.

"One recurrent theme in the debate over immigration has been the use of public services, including health care," Ortega's team wrote in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

"Proponents of restrictive policies have argued that immigrants overuse services, placing an unreasonable burden on the public. Despite a scarcity of well-designed research ... use of resources continues to be a part of the public debate," they said.

The researchers said illegal Mexican immigrants had 1.6 fewer visits to doctors over the course of a year than people born in the country to Mexican immigrants. Other undocumented Latinos had 2.1 fewer physician visits than their U.S.-born counterparts, they said.

"Low rates of use of health-care services by Mexican immigrants and similar trends among other Latinos do not support public concern about immigrants' overuse of the health care system," the researchers wrote.

"Undocumented individuals demonstrate less use of health care than U.S.-born citizens and have more negative experiences with the health care that they have received," they said.

(Reporting by Michael Conlon; Editing by Maggie Fox and Bill Trott)
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/wned/ ... ID=1188895

obviously the idiot nut job that wrote this trash has nerver visted an emergency room. out here, i've been told when the illegals come into the er for colds, minor cuts, pregnancy etc the hospital doesnt ask for insurance or even address because they are given misinforation. the last time i visted the er out here only a small handfull of non staff spoke english.

Originally Posted by Lone_Patriot

obviously the idiot nut job that wrote this trash has nerver visted an emergency room. out here, i've been told when the illegals come into the er for colds, minor cuts, pregnancy etc the hospital doesnt ask for insurance or even address because they are given misinforation. the last time i visted the er out here only a small handfull of non staff spoke english.

Notice they carefully state doctors visits and totally omit ER's:

The researchers said illegal Mexican immigrants had 1.6 fewer visits to doctors over the course of a year than people born in the country to Mexican immigrants. Other undocumented Latinos had 2.1 fewer physician visits than their U.S.-born counterparts, they said.

Also they omit the number of births in US hospitals:

Hispanic births booming in U.S.: 60% of new Latino citizens last

Chicago Sun-Times, May 10, 2006 by Haya El Nasser

Hispanics remain the United States' fastest-growing minority group, but most of their population increase comes from births here rather than immigration, according to Census Bureau estimates released Tuesday.

As debate over immigration policy is roiling the nation, government numbers show that 60 percent of the 1.3 million new Hispanics in 2005 are citizens because they were born here.
"When all the attention is on immigration, natural increase is what's driving the population change," says Roberto Suro, director of the Pew Hispanic Center.

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A third of the nation's 296.4 million people are considered minorities. Hispanics are the largest minority group at 42.7 million, up 3.3 percent from mid-2004 to mid-2005. The Census counts all residents and makes no distinction between those here legally and illegally. The Pew Hispanic Center estimates that up to 12 million U.S. residents are illegal, most of them Hispanic.

"Obviously, a very large share of U.S. population growth and of Hispanic growth is driven by illegal immigration," says Steven Camarota, research director at the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates stricter immigration controls.

MEDIAN AGE IS 27

In effect, the data show that even if immigration came to a standstill, the Hispanic population boom would not end for at least another generation.

"Illegal immigration has long-term consequences," Camarota says. "What this shows is that they have hundreds of thousands of children born here."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_q ... _n16355295

Based on a telephone survey?! Zeezil is right, throw this "study" in the trash. First of all, there is a high probability that there are millions of more illegals in the US than 10.3 million. And here is just one story that shows illegal immigration has So Cal's health care system on the brink of collapse, even moreso in 2007 than a couple of years ago. Al Rantel discussed this in detail recently with a rep from the region's hospital association. If we do not secure our southern border and continue to not enforce the law, this crisis will spread to even more areas than now. To deny this is to deny reality:

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L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants
Friday, March 18, 2005

Overburdened by the uninsured and overwhelmed by illegal immigration (search), public health care in Los Angeles is on life support.

Sixty percent of the county's uninsured patients are not U.S. citizens. More than half are here illegally. About 2 million undocumented aliens in Los Angeles County alone are crowding emergency rooms because they can't afford to see a doctor.

According to the State Association of Hospitals (search), California's public health system is "on the brink of collapse." In Los Angeles County, patients can wait four days for a hospital bed and up to two years for gallbladder surgery.

"The hospitals are closing because of the totality of the uninsured," said Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, director of the Los Angeles County Health Department (search). "If you're legally a resident in California and you're poor, you have a right to basic services."

But some critics say the taxpayers can't be the HMO (search) to the world. Last year, Los Angeles County spent $340 million to treat the uninsured; that's roughly $1,000 for every taxpayer.

"We're citizens here. Why should somebody from another country that's here illegally get anything that we can't get? I mean that's dumb, that's not right," said Don Schenck, whose son, Bill, is mentally disabled.

Though the Schencks are uninsured, and considered poor by county standards, his father had to find a way to pay for his Bill's care while thousands of others, in the country illegally, get it for free.

"It makes you feel pretty bad when you're born in that country and you're handicapped and you've got a learning disability and you can't get medical," Schenck said.

Mike Antonovich, the Los Angeles County supervisor, said the system has been "basically bankrupted."

The Department of Health has a $1.2 billion deficit. Caring for illegals is siphoning money from other services and forcing clinics, trauma centers and emergency rooms to close, he said.

"We cannot afford to have a open-door policy to encourage illegals to continue to come here and receive all the medical care, because it's too expensive," he said.

Immigrants like Yolanda Hernandez, however, argue that if there were cheap insurance plans available to her community, people would buy them.

"[Americans] have enough money to pay for insurance," she said. "They make good money and are educated. Unfortunately, we are not."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150750,00.html

Social Security receives less from legal Latinos citizens and immigrants than it pays out to them, they have lower skills and pay on average than the general population. Illegal alien Latinos have even lower skills and pay. If the US public health system tracks along the Social Security situation then this claim in favor of the illegals does not mean much. Americans citizens have obligations to their fellow citizens and to the law abiding immigrants. That should not extend to illegal aliens. What matters is not how big the defecit illegals cause is, they should not be subsidized.

This article was just fired out across the nation on the Reuters wire service!

Reuters and AP regularly block stories of interest to our cause.

Now they are putting propaganda like this out far and wide. There is a strong chance that this story will appear in hundreds of newspapers across America over the next few days!

W

1. This is not about how many times illegal aliens visit the hospital or Docs office compared to Americans. It is about the fact they go and usually never pay!

2. Where is the counter source in this article? There is no balance in this article and the flimsy claims of this one group are offered without anyone from the other side of the issue.

The old guard communists of the former USSR would approve of this style of 'reporting'

W

Unlike the weak "study" by UC School of Public Health, FAIR has analyzed this issue adequately:

Illegal Immigration and Public Health

Excerpt:

Immigrants are often uninsured and underinsured. Forty-three percent of noncitizens under 65 have no health insurance. That means there are 9.4 million uninsured immigrants, a majority of whom are in the country illegally, constituting 15 percent of the total uninsured in the nation in the mid-1990s.6 The cost of the medical care of these uninsured immigrants is passed onto the taxpayer, and strains the financial stability of the health care community.

Another problem is immigrants’ use of hospital and emergency services rather than preventative medical care. For example, utilization rate of hospitals and clinics by illegal aliens (29 percent) is more than twice the rate of the overall U.S. population (11 percent).

As a result, the costs of medical care for immigrants are staggering. The estimated cost of unreimbursed medical care in 2004 in California was about $1.4 billion per year. In Texas, the estimated cost was about $.85 billion, and in Arizona the comparable estimate was $.4 billion per year.

One of the frequent costs to U.S. taxpayers is delivery of babies to illegal alien mothers. A California study put the number of these anchor baby deliveries in the state in 1994 at 74,987, at a cost of $215 million. At that time, those births constituted 36 percent of all Medi-Cal births, and they have grown now to substantially more than half or the annual Medi-Cal budget. In 2003, 70 percent of the 2,300 babies born in San Joaquin General Hospital’s maternity ward were anchor babies. Medical in 2003 had 760,000 illegal alien beneficiaries, up from 2002, when there were 470,000.

The propaganda machine is running at full tilt - isn't it?

The finding from Alexander Ortega and colleagues at the school was based on a 2003 telephone survey of thousands of California residents, including 1,317 undocumented Mexicans, 2,851 citizens with Mexican immigrant parents, 271 undocumented Latinos from countries other than Mexico and 852 non-Mexican Latinos born in the United States.

This so-called telephone survey was done in 2003--4 years ago. It took them 4 years to write the article slanted in their way.

It takes a long time to bring the past up to the present.
Franklin D. Roosev