Thread: Illegal immigration population plunges, estimates show

Great news!

Now instead of a Gazillion Million Illegal Aliens,

we only have a Gazillion Illegal Aliens !

R/

Originally Posted by Skip

Great news!

Now instead of a Gazillion Million Illegal Aliens,

we only have a Gazillion Illegal Aliens !

R/

Exactly Skip!! and where the hell did they ever get the 12 million # touted for the last 10 years?

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

Originally Posted by Skip

Great news!

Now instead of a Gazillion Million Illegal Aliens,

we only have a Gazillion Illegal Aliens !

R/

Exactly Skip!! and where the hell did they ever get the 12 million # touted for the last 10 years?

The 12 million number comes from the Pew Hispanic Center which Bear Stearns proved was totally inaccurate and understated. Their model is designed to show how few there are, not how many there are.

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

Originally Posted by Skip

Great news!

Now instead of a Gazillion Million Illegal Aliens,

we only have a Gazillion Illegal Aliens !

R/

Exactly Skip!! and where the hell did they ever get the 12 million # touted for the last 10 years?

The 12 million number comes from the Pew Hispanic Center which Bear Stearns proved was totally inaccurate and understated. Their model is designed to show how few there are, not how many there are.

inaccurate : is an understatement

Added because a number of other sources beside Gilchrist are quoted.

Drop in Illegal Immigration Numbers Inflames Activists

Updated: 14 minutes ago

Carl Franzen Contributor

(Feb. 12) -- The population of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has fallen by 1 million in the past two years due to a combination of the recession and increased law enforcement, according to the latest estimate by the Department of Homeland Security. While activists largely agree that the influx of illegal immigrants is at a welcome ebb, some vehemently contest the accuracy of the agency's figures and remain bitterly divided on what impact they should have on the country's immigration policy going forward.

"I strongly disagree with the number of immigrants they say are living here," said Jim Gilchrist, president and founder of the Minuteman Project, a volunteer group of about 1,000 civilians who monitor the northern and southern borders of the continental U.S. for illegal crossings, which they then report to Border Patrol. "There's no credible way to way to tag and count them, and very few will admit to their illegal status, so it's all just a guesstimate at best."

To counter the Homeland Security estimate of 10.8 million illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. as of 2009, Gilchrist offered AOL News his own "guesstimate" of 30 million, which he said was based on older projections put forth by Time magazine and now-defunct banking firm Bear Stearns.

An activist on the opposite side of the immigration debate also questions official government counts.

"There are lots of scholars who do work on immigration, and nobody can give accurate figures," Kat Rodriguez, spokeswoman for immigrants advocacy group Coalicion de Derechos Humanos, told the Christian Science Monitor.

News media frequently confuse the number of illegal immigrants with the number of "apprehensions," a mistaken assumption since one person can be apprehended over and over again on different occasions, said Rodriguez, whose organization seeks to reduce what it sees as suffering among immigrants caused by the militarization of the border region.

Still others, including Shuya Ohno, a spokesperson for the National Immigration Forum -- the self-described "leading immigrant advocacy organization in the country" -- accepted the Homeland Security estimate at face value.

"The DHS figures are the most accurate," Ohno said in an interview with AOL News. "Most rational and apolitical academics put the number between 10 (million)and 12 million."

The full statistical methodology used to reach the estimates is described in the the latest Homeland Security report, which can be downloaded as a PDF from the agency's Web site.

No matter their opinion on the precise figures, activists largely agreed with Homeland Security that the rate of new illegal immigrants entering the country had slowed considerably following the economic meltdown in 2008.

"The reason for the decline is simple: fewer jobs," said Daily Finance's Jonathan Berr.

More contentious is the assertion by Homeland Security and other groups that the decline has as much to do with a corresponding increase in immigration law-enforcement resources made during the tail-end of the Bush administration.

As the Washington Times wrote: "After the last effort to pass an immigration bill failed in mid-2007, the Bush administration announced it would step up enforcement, including high-profile raids and granting powers to enforce immigration laws to some state and local police departments."

Since the election of President Barack Obama, an additional $30 million has been designated toward increasing security on the U.S. southwestern border, and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has emphatically asserted that the new administration has taken a different tack than its predecessor, narrowing the focus of joint law enforcement efforts on apprehending "dangerous criminal aliens" as opposed to pursuing those who have committed minor offenses.

The new approach has disappointed both border-control and amnesty-minded groups.

"At a time when enforcement was beginning to pay dividends, the Obama administration has curtailed many aspects of enforcement -- particularly in the workplace," Ira Mehlman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform told the Christian Science Monitor. FAIR is a nonprofit citizens' organization that seeks to "improve border security, to stop illegal immigration, and to promote immigration levels consistent with the national interest."

On the contrary, assert some advocates, Obama has taken a stricter and less humane stance on immigration than his predecessor.

"As a Latina, I am fed up with President Obama's lack of leadership on immigration reform," Ana Perez wrote in The Progressive magazine. "More immigrants have been deported in Obama's first year than in the last year of the Bush administration. Obama and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano have found a behind-the-scenes strategy to get rid of immigrants. They have the immigration agency comb through local jails and place deportation holds on anyone suspected of being undocumented."

Still, one thing all activists maintain is that the decrease in the population of unauthorized residents affords the country the best opportunity to correct massive problems with U.S. immigration policy. It might be the last chance to do so before a resurgent economy again raises the incentive for people to immigrate illegally en masse.

"What this affords us is a great opportunity to fix the immigration system now," Ohno told AOL News. "Illegal crossing of the border is at its lowest point in 40 years. Just like we wouldn't want to fix a bridge during rush hour, we should take the same consideration with the country's immigration system."

He and his organization, the National Immigration Forum, support a "common sense" approach to allow immigrants who are currently classified as illegal to come forward, pay a fine and get to the back of the line for citizenship requests without fear of being deported.

"I'm saying let's force the debate on this issue and solve the problem," said Minuteman President Gilchrist. "Let's bring left, right and the political center together to make sure immigration is a process that occurs lawfully, according to our Founding Fathers. My main concern is that we might have another million illegal aliens who will come here shortly and stay, and not respect our rule of laws."

Gilchrist wants immigration laws currently on the books to be enforced emphatically, which he believes would require the repatriation of millions of illegal immigrants currently in the U.S.

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/d ... s/19355942

It really doesn't matter how many ILLEGALS you all think there are here mostly all of them are hidden in the shadows so they can't be counted...

Do you think they jump out and say hey count me? The mind set and plan of these people is the same as it always has been take over our country any way they can.

You can all disagree on how many till the cows home but they are here in the millions and are Government wants them here...and will hide any fact of the number from the public.


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June 05, 2009
Mexico’s Take Over Of California: Complete By 2014?

By Joe Guzzardi

In March, April and May, I wrote a series of columns about the sorry condition of California’s GOP (here, here and here). I also handicapped the party’s dismal prospects for winning any of the three most critical elections—either of the two U.S. Senate seats currently held by Democrats Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein or the 2010 governor’s race to replace termed-out Republican incumbent Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Although Boxer will also run in 2010 for re-election, California is in such dire straits that all eyes will be on the governor’s contest. That shapes up as a probable match between Republican political novice Meg Whitman versus either of two Democratic veterans, Feinstein or the omnipresent former governor and current Attorney General Jerry Brown.

But since early spring when I gave my first assessment, California’s political sands have shifted. And with the change, a Republican has suddenly vaulted into the forefront of the state’s politics.

In fact, although it’s way early, I make State Senator Abel Maldonado the odds-on pick in 2014 to become California’s governor.

For immigration reform patriots, that’s much more bad news than it is good news. While Maldonado is indeed a Republican—technically—he points to his migrant farm worker parents as the reason for his fierce illegal immigration advocacy.

How a relatively obscure state representative from Santa Maria will become California’s first Hispanic governor since Romualdo Pacheco, Jr., in 1875 is an interesting tale. [Senator Abel Maldonado Has Made A Name for Himself, by Steve Chawkins and Patrick McGreevy, Los Angeles Times, February 22, 2009]

Maldonado will pull it off with a combination of luck and skill.

Specifically, this is how he’ll do it:

In a stroke of good fortune for Maldonado, Lt. Governor John Garamendi recently announced that he was abandoning his moribund gubernatorial effort to run instead for the congressional seat about to be vacated when Ellen Tauscher leaves for Washington DC to serve as Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. [Ellen Tauscher Is Off to the State Department for Sure, by Anne Schroeder Mullens, POLITICO.com, March 19, 2009]

That means Schwarzenegger must appoint Garamendi’s replacement. And, as it happens, Republican Schwarzenegger owes Republican Maldonado a favor.

During Schwarzenegger’s bitter dispute with the state legislature to close California’s $40 billion budget deficit (via higher taxes and more debt), Maldonado infuriated his conservative Republican colleagues when he sided with the governor.

But at the same time, Maldonado ingratiated himself, not only with Schwarzenegger, but also with California’s Democrats and independents eager to end the impasse.

Step one in Maldonado’s ascent, then, will take place in a few weeks when Schwarzenegger appoints him to replace Garamendi.

Suddenly, Maldonado will emerge from relative political obscurity to become a key player who, because of his Mexican immigrant background, will be hyped to the max by California’s adoring MainStream Media.

Step two will occur in November 2010 when either Feinstein or Brown easily defeat the Republican candidate—presumably Whitman.

By 2014—the next year the gubernatorial election rolls around—several things will have evolved, all of which play in Maldonado’s favor.

* California’s overall economic health will remain on life support—horrible news for an incumbent hoping for another term.

* Feinstein will be 81, Brown 76 but Maldonado only 47. In age-obsessed California that creates a huge edge for Maldonado. According to census data, in 2014 the average age of California’s Hispanics will be about 30. Ask yourself this simple question: will those young Hispanics vote for the fossilized white incumbent or the polished Maldonado who can appeal to their ethnic roots?

* California’s demographics will have shifted even more dramatically toward Hispanic domination. The state’s population will be about 40 percent Hispanic—the largest voting bloc.

* Add to Feinstein and Brown’s age and demographic negatives is that they have knocked around California politics for nearly four decades. If voters of all stripes aren’t sick of them by 2014, then I don’t know what.

Maldonado has been building toward his political ascendancy since 2000.

As a freshman state assemblyman he accepted an invitation from then-presidential candidate George W. Bush to give a Spanish-language speech to the Republican presidential convention aimed at wooing Hispanic voters. (Vainly, of course).

And in 2008, again addressing the Republican convention, Maldonado closed with these words (translated from Spanish):

“John McCain and my father would be good amigos. Ladies and gentlemen, que viva the immigrant story.â€

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

Originally Posted by Skip

Great news!

Now instead of a Gazillion Million Illegal Aliens,

we only have a Gazillion Illegal Aliens !

R/

Exactly Skip!! and where the hell did they ever get the 12 million # touted for the last 10 years?

The 12 million number comes from the Pew Hispanic Center which Bear Stearns proved was totally inaccurate and understated. Their model is designed to show how few there are, not how many there are.

inaccurate : is an understatement

In this case yes, but the Open Borders Traitors Lobby could claim it was inaccurate and over-stated and there aren't even that many now. OH WAIT! They just did. Now they're claiming "1 million have left" so there's 1 million less.

We got their # Judy, we are on too them

Their biggest mistake is taking us for stupid!

Originally Posted by SOSADFORUS

We got their # Judy, we are on too them

Their biggest mistake is taking us for stupid!

Right O! The only time you can fool an American is when we're not paying attention. But WAKE UP OPEN BORDERS TRAITORS LOBBY! Cuz we're paying attention now.

Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:38 am

Post subject: Illegals Are Leaving And We Are Helping Them Go!

Friends of ALIPAC,

For the second year in a row, both sides of the illegal immigration debate agree that the illegal alien population is falling rapidly in America. The pro-Amnesty U.S. Department of Homeland Security says it is true and so does the pro-immigration enforcement group we support, Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) . . .

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http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-188156.html