Thread: Full Amnesty for all illegals

The Democrats are going to pass amnesty just as soon as they take over.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2448-1240r.htm

The Washington Times
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Congress open to passing bill on immigration
By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published December 4, 2006
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Congress will approve an immigration bill that will grant citizenship rights to most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens in the U.S. after Democrats take control next month, predict both sides on Capitol Hill.
While Republicans have been largely splintered on the issue of immigration reform, Democrats have been fairly unified behind the principle that the illegals currently in the country should get citizenship rights without having to first leave the country.
"Years of dawdling have worsened our border security and made it harder to fix this broken system," said Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who will lead the Judiciary Committee next year. "We should not let partisan politics and intolerance continue to delay and derail effective reform."
Democrats in both chambers say they will start with some form of legislation first drafted by Sens. John McCain, Arizona Republican, and Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, which was the basis for the bill that was approved earlier this year by the Senate.
"This past May, the Senate Judiciary Committee reported and then the Senate passed bipartisan versions of comprehensive immigration reform to bring people out of the shadows while strengthening our borders," Mr. Leahy said. "I look forward to building on that work next year and making progress on a bipartisan effort that improves security, supports our economy and respects the dignity of all people."
House Republicans and many outside Congress derided that bill as "amnesty" for allowing illegals to remain in the U.S. and eventually become citizens. Democrats say it's not amnesty because aliens must pay a fine and wait years before becoming citizens.
"The Senate bill is pure amnesty," said Rep. Jack Kingston, Georgia Republican. "Dress it up any way you want, it's still amnesty. It lets people pay their way out of sneaking into the country illegally."
With President Bush as an ally in the White House, he worries, Democrats will proceed next year with legislation to ultimately make citizens out of most of the illegals now in the country. And Republicans, still reeling from deep losses in the November elections, will give up the fight.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, said he expects an immigration-reform bill that doesn't deport illegal aliens to be the only significant legislation to come out of the new Democratic Congress and win Mr. Bush's approval.
"The only real legislation that can be expected from Congress is amnesty," he said. "If they come up with a plan and the president is behind it, it will pick up a lot of our own members."
Republicans also expressed little confidence that their leadership team is committed to blocking amnesty.
The group Americans for Better Immigration, which supports tougher immigration policies, has given Republican leaders mixed grades on the issue. But on the issue of amnesty, the grades have been much worse.
Rep. John A. Boehner of Ohio, the House Republican leader, has a "D"; Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri, the House Republican whip, scores a "C+." Incoming House Republican Conference Chairman Adam H. Putnam of Florida, who has co-sponsored legislation that many view as amnesty, scores an "F-" from the group on the issue.
Still, Mr. Boehner and Mr. Blunt can claim credit for thwarting the Senate immigration bill earlier this year. But now the only hope, Republicans say, is that some of the conservative Democrats who beat Republican incumbents this year will side with conservatives in the House to block anything that smells like amnesty.
Rep. Tom Tancredo, the Colorado Republican and a leading critic of amnesty, was initially dejected by November's elections, fearing that Democrats would ram through immigration reform. But a recent congressional trip with conservative-leaning "Blue Dog" Democrats changed his mind.
They don't want to touch the issue, he said, after seeing fissures already develop among Democrats' base voters on the issue. Illegal-alien advocacy groups think the Senate bill is too harsh on illegal aliens because it imposes fines on all and excludes others with criminal records. Those groups also insist future workers have a direct path to citizenship -- a requirement that labor unions fiercely oppose.
"I think it's going to be much more difficult for them to do than I had thought the day after the election," Mr. Tancredo said.
Most likely, he said, Democrats will succeed at undoing plans to build 700 miles of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border.
"The thing that's in the greatest jeopardy right now is the fence, because they do have the appropriations process and that's probably the one they can stop," Mr. Tancredo said.
•Stephen Dinan contributed to this report.




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God help us.

We gotta get on the phones again.

The Democrats are going to pass amnesty just as soon as they take over.

They are going to have to satisfy a large majority of irate citizens and La Raza Bush in order to do this without throwing Hillary to the curb for 2008. America wants sound solutions not what we got in 1986. We have not forgotten.


http://www.cis.org/articles/2000/ins1986amnesty.html

Contact: Steven A. Camarota
(202) 466-8185
sac@cis.org

New INS Report:
1986 Amnesty Increased Illegal Immigration

WASHINGTON (Oct. 12, 2000) — The report on America's illegal immigration crisis by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), released today on Capitol Hill, highlights the profound unintended consequences of illegal-alien amnesties, just as Congress is considering another such amnesty. The report also makes clear, contrary to the conventional wisdom, that legal and illegal immigration are so intimately connected as to be two sides of the same coin. (Download the report at http://wwwa.house.gov/lamarsmith/INSreport.pdf.)

The report represents a genuine effort by the INS to examine this complex problem. The new estimates are the best to date and provide valuable new information for policymakers and the public. Among the findings, and their implications:

Amnesties clearly do not solve the problem of illegal immigration. About 2.7 million people received lawful permanent residence ("green cards") in the late 1980s and early 1990s as a result of the amnesties contained in the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986. But these new INS figures show that by the beginning of 1997 those former illegal aliens had been entirely replaced by new illegal aliens, and that the unauthorized population again stood at more than 5 million, just as before the amnesty.

In fact, the new INS estimates show that the 1986 amnesty almost certainly increased illegal immigration, as the relatives of newly legalized illegals came to the United States to join their family members. The flow of illegals grew dramatically during the years of the amnesty to more than 800,000 a year, before dropping back down to around 500,000 a year.

While it might be supposed that the increase in illegal immigration was caused only by the Special Agricultural Worker (SAW) provisions of the 1986 amnesty, the INS report indicates that this was not the case. Figures in the report itself show that illegal immigration surged more dramatically from countries other than Mexico. Since the vast majority of those amnestied under SAW were from Mexico, the increase should have been mostly Mexican if the SAW provision had been responsible for the surge.

Overall, the estimates show that nearly 500,000 illegal aliens settled here each year in the mid-1990s. This total number of new illegal settlers is offset by about 145,000 illegals who returned home on their own each year, 40,000 deportations, 20,000 deaths, and around 150,000 illegals receiving green cards as part of the normal "legal" immigration process.

The report clearly demonstrates that legal and illegal immigration are intimately linked, and not separate phenomena, as is commonly supposed. Between 1987 and 1996, the report states that 1.3 million green cards were given out to illegal aliens as part of the normal "legal" immigration process (189,000 in 1996 alone) — separate from the 2.7 million illegals who received legal status under the 1986 IRCA amnesty.

The 1.3 million green cards given out to illegals between 1987 and 1996 dwarf immigration enforcement efforts. According to the new estimates, only 335,000 illegals were deported or required to leave the country by the INS during the same period.

"The fact that these new INS figures show that the last amnesty actually attracted more illegal immigration should give serious pause to those now advocating another amnesty," said Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies. "With the government estimating that nearly half a million illegal aliens settle permanently in the United States each year, the new estimates indicate that we have not yet regained control over our nation's borders."

These numbers suggest that Congress's focus on border enforcement as almost the sole means of controlling illegal immigration is inadequate. Illegal immigration can be controlled only with a strategy that combines border enforcement with efforts to turn off the magnets that attract illegal aliens in the first place — jobs and green cards. Thus, the missing elements of our illegal immigration policy are muscular enforcement of the prohibition on hiring illegal workers and deep, permanent cuts in legal immigration.

# # #

The Center for Immigration Studies is a non-profit, non-partisan think tank which examines and critiques the impact of immigration on the United States.

O. I predicted that on another forum just before the midtern elections.

What will happen is that the Democratic Congress will pass amnesty this time, it was stalled in the House previously by a Republican majority, and Bush will sign it with a big smile. Is it right ? No, because the majority of Americans oppose amnesty. Do I think it's right ? Some illegals have been here for years and they should at least be given the opportunity to become legal residents.

Just my 2 cents

Originally Posted by michelle

O. I predicted that on another forum just before the midtern elections.

What will happen is that the Democratic Congress will pass amnesty this time, it was stalled in the House previously by a Republican majority, and Bush will sign it with a big smile. Is it right ? No, because the majority of Americans oppose amnesty. Do I think it's right ? Some illegals have been here for years and they should at least be given the opportunity to become legal residents.

Just my 2 cents

Time to take your 2 cents back to Holland, Michele. You're not an American by your own admission, especially having dual citizenship.
You can help the EU watered down countries to further their own destructive loose migration ideas that are damaging all of europe.

In America, a criminal is a criminal.........The longer one is here ILLEGALLY, the longer one is a CRIMINAL. The longer one is here Illegally, the more chance that he/she has committed document fraud and certainly has used false documents of one kind or another. And especially has Driven unlawfully.

No deals for CRIMINALS.

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Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Originally Posted by michelle

O. I predicted that on another forum just before the midtern elections.

What will happen is that the Democratic Congress will pass amnesty this time, it was stalled in the House previously by a Republican majority, and Bush will sign it with a big smile. Is it right ? No, because the majority of Americans oppose amnesty. Do I think it's right ? Some illegals have been here for years and they should at least be given the opportunity to become legal residents.

Just my 2 cents

Time to take your 2 cents back to Holland, Michele. You're not an American by your own admission, especially having dual citizenship.
You can help the EU watered down countries to further their own destructive loose migration ideas that are damaging all of europe.

In America, a criminal is a criminal.........The longer one is here ILLEGALLY, the longer one is a CRIMINAL. The longer one is here Illegally, the more chance that he/she has committed document fraud and certainly has used false documents of one kind or another. And especially has Driven unlawfully.

No deals for CRIMINALS.

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Right on 2nd! Their logic never ceases to amaze me. The longer they have been here illegally(breaking the law), the more right they have to become citizens? HUH?!

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

In America, a criminal is a criminal.........The longer one is here ILLEGALLY, the longer one is a CRIMINAL. The longer one is here Illegally, the more chance that he/she has committed document fraud and certainly has used false documents of one kind or another. And especially has Driven unlawfully.

No deals for CRIMINALS.

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We don't have time to waste. We need to pour the pressure on now!

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Originally Posted by michelle

O. I predicted that on another forum just before the midtern elections.

Time to take your 2 cents back to Holland, Michele. You're not an American by your own admission, especially having dual citizenship.
You can help the EU watered down countries to further their own destructive loose migration ideas that are damaging all of europe.

In America, a criminal is a criminal.........The longer one is here ILLEGALLY, the longer one is a CRIMINAL. The longer one is here Illegally, the more chance that he/she has committed document fraud and certainly has used false documents of one kind or another. And especially has Driven unlawfully.

No deals for CRIMINALS.

Carrying 2 passports, one of them American, makes me just as American as you are. The other passport makes me just as Dutch as Nicholas or the queen.

Illegals broke the law and break the law every by just being here. I'm fully aware of that. Illegals that have been here for years, have been criminals for years. But they probably have kids that go to school, have build a totally new life and have just become a part of this country. I've been here for 7 years legally, carry a US passport, but I've no right to tell an illegal to go home who has been here longer than me. That's just not right. America is also a land of compassion.

Originally Posted by michelle

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Originally Posted by michelle

O. I predicted that on another forum just before the midtern elections.

Time to take your 2 cents back to Holland, Michele. You're not an American by your own admission, especially having dual citizenship.
You can help the EU watered down countries to further their own destructive loose migration ideas that are damaging all of europe.

In America, a criminal is a criminal.........The longer one is here ILLEGALLY, the longer one is a CRIMINAL. The longer one is here Illegally, the more chance that he/she has committed document fraud and certainly has used false documents of one kind or another. And especially has Driven unlawfully.

No deals for CRIMINALS.

Carrying 2 passports, one of them American, makes me just as American as you are. The other passport makes me just as Dutch as Nicholas or the queen.

Illegals broke the law and break the law every by just being here. I'm fully aware of that. Illegals that have been here for years, have been criminals for years. But they probably have kids that go to school, have build a totally new life and have just become a part of this country. I've been here for 7 years legally, carry a US passport, but I've no right to tell an illegal to go home who has been here longer than me. That's just not right. America is also a land of compassion.

So a serial killer who gets away with killing long enough should be let off the hook because he managed to have kids between the first murder and the last? That's your logic taken to its extreme.

Originally Posted by michelle

Originally Posted by 2ndamendsis

Originally Posted by michelle

O. I predicted that on another forum just before the midtern elections.

Time to take your 2 cents back to Holland, Michele. You're not an American by your own admission, especially having dual citizenship.
You can help the EU watered down countries to further their own destructive loose migration ideas that are damaging all of europe.

In America, a criminal is a criminal.........The longer one is here ILLEGALLY, the longer one is a CRIMINAL. The longer one is here Illegally, the more chance that he/she has committed document fraud and certainly has used false documents of one kind or another. And especially has Driven unlawfully.

No deals for CRIMINALS.

Carrying 2 passports, one of them American, makes me just as American as you are. The other passport makes me just as Dutch as Nicholas or the queen.

Illegals broke the law and break the law every by just being here. I'm fully aware of that. Illegals that have been here for years, have been criminals for years. But they probably have kids that go to school, have build a totally new life and have just become a part of this country. I've been here for 7 years legally, carry a US passport, but I've no right to tell an illegal to go home who has been here longer than me. That's just not right. America is also a land of compassion.

You just stated in another post that florida was your 'homeland' and in the same sentance said that you were going 'home' {Holland} because you don't fit in here.

I'm Italian, however I am an AMERICAN first and always. You aren't an American in heart and hopefully, we'll eventually end all dual citizenship as it's an oxymoron and doesn't benefit our nation.

Now you're simply not making sense, Michele.

We all have perfect right to tell every ILLEGAL ALIEN, not immigrant, to get their backsides the hell back to their nation of origin. They were not invited and are not welcome.

However, should YOU prefer to pay out of your pocket or your parent's pockets, for their medical, social services and education.......have at it.
Hell, adopt an ILLEGAL.

You're a socialist which is communism with a pretty name and, instead of adding something of value to this debate, you're now saying silly, childish rhetoric.

No more time for you. You disappoint me as I did think that you were a bit quicker than you've proven to be. It would serve you well, instead of complaining and moaning about wanting to go back to Holland, to learn about history and make your time productive. You seem not to have a grasp and would prefer America to make the same mistakes as Europe.
Sweety, we've long thrown the european yoke away. Perhaps you should open your mind and do the same.
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