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    Rick Santorum carries the torch against legal immigration

    Rick Santorum carries the torch against legal immigration

    08/20/15 02:24 PM—UPDATED 08/20/15 05:14 PM



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    By Amanda Sakuma
    Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum on Thursday credited himself with being the first presidential candidate to take a hard-line stance to limit legal immigration – even before Donald Trump entered the 2016 race and shoved the rest of the GOP field further to the right.
    “Until this summer, I was the only candidate who had a message focused on helping American workers by putting common sense limits on this surge of immigrants,” Santorum said during a speech at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. “This is not anti-immigrant, this is pro-worker, especially for those who are most affected by waves of new workers – recent immigrants, minorities and younger workers.”

    Indeed, for a time Santorum was the lone voice among the GOP presidential hopefuls pressing to reduce legal immigration by as much as 25%. But when Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker announced that he too wanted to rethink the aboveboard process for new immigrants – a flip from previously supporting an expansion to legal immigration – his move marked a turning point in the Republican presidential race in widening the gap from candidates willing to take a more welcoming tact toward immigrants. That divide was blown wide open once Trump entered the race, sending candidates scrambling as they watched the celebrity real estate mogul gain remarkable momentum by firing up the far-right flank of the base.

    The current immigration debate is even a departure from the hard-line ”self-deportation” platform that Mitt Romney took during the 2012 presidential election. The position ended up working against Republicans during the last presidential cycle, with Romney losing 73% of the Latino vote to President Obama for supporting a policy designed to make life so inhospitable toward undocumented immigrants that they would want to leave. Party elites later determined that Republicans must make inroads with Latino voters.
    But a glance at Santorum’s policy proposals Thursday shows making those inroads would be an uphill battle.

    Santorum proposes overhauling the H1-B visa program, limiting the number of high-skilled workers allowed into the U.S. He said he would suspend border-crossing cards if Mexico does not cooperate with tough enforcement, which could have a stiff economic impact on the communities at the border. Santorum supports eliminating birthright citizenship as an “incentive” for illegal immigration, a near-impossible political feat that would require a constitutional amendment.

    “I think we need to eliminate those types of incentives that encourage people to come to this country illegally,” Santorum said. “But there are many things we need to do ahead of that. It wouldn’t be my priority.”

    Santorum also perpetuated a common misconception that undocumented immigrants are stealing jobs from Americans. “These immigrants are largely unskilled and low-skilled labor competing for the same job that 74% of Americans who do not have a college degree are looking for,” he said. But experts havedebunked the myth time after time, showing that employment is not a zero-sum game and that immigrant workers don’t compete with, but rather complement, the skills of U.S.-born workers.

    While addressing the enforcement mechanisms to limit the number of people entering the country illegally in the future, Santorum shied away from addressing what he would do for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. It has been a major sticking point dividing the GOP presidential candidates, ranging from Trump’s plan to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who supports a legal status for certain immigrants.

    Santorum blamed Obama’s executive actions on immigration for causing the surge of unaccompanied minors that overwhelmed federal resources at the border last summer. He vowed to end those programs, which are currently tied up in federal court and would offer a temporary legal status to as many as 4 million undocumented immigrants.

    He condemned Democrats for characterizing the Republican debate around immigration as “xenophobic football” and suggested Democrats had an ulterior motive to supporting a pathway to citizenship.

    “Democrats like Hillary Clinton say they are for the American worker, yet they demand amnesty and huge increases in the number of immigrants for one overriding reason: votes, which of course, leads to political power,” Santorum said.






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    While addressing the enforcement mechanisms to limit the number of people entering the country illegally in the future, Santorum shied away from addressing what he would do for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the U.S. It has been a major sticking point dividing the GOP presidential candidates, ranging from Trump’s plan to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who supports a legal status for certain immigrants.
    This is why Santorum's message falls apart.

    And then you have this statement:

    “I think we need to eliminate those types of incentives that encourage people to come to this country illegally,” Santorum said. “But there are many things we need to do ahead of that. It wouldn’t be my priority.


    So sum it up. He has no commitment to deport and remove illegal aliens. Removing incentives that lure illegal aliens into the country is not his priority. These are the most important immediate steps to solving this problem which is get them out and keep them out. This is why his message while perhaps first on the campaign circuit, doesn't stick and why no one is buying it.

    Meanwhile, Trump is out there saying "get them the hell out of here", build a wall, remove the tax credit and welfare incentives, freeze green cards and pause immigration. Santorum only wants to reduce legal immigration by 25% when we need a full-blown 10 Year Moratorium.

    So Santorium is not really carrying the torch at all, Trump is. Trump's the one who has put his ventures at risk for telling the truth about illegal immigration. He's personally vested in this cause now and wants and will work to achieve the goal he put his own company at risk to achieve for US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judy View Post
    This is why Santorum's message falls apart.

    And then you have this statement:





    So sum it up. He has no commitment to deport and remove illegal aliens. Removing incentives that lure illegal aliens into the country is not his priority. These are the most important immediate steps to solving this problem which is get them out and keep them out. This is why his message while perhaps first on the campaign circuit, doesn't stick and why no one is buying it.

    Meanwhile, Trump is out there saying "get them the hell out of here", build a wall, remove the tax credit and welfare incentives, freeze green cards and pause immigration. Santorum only wants to reduce legal immigration by 25% when we need a full-blown 10 Year Moratorium.

    So Santorium is not really carrying the torch at all, Trump is. Trump's the one who has put his ventures at risk for telling the truth about illegal immigration. He's personally vested in this cause now and wants and will work to achieve the goal he put his own company at risk to achieve for US.
    Judy, every post doesn't have to be about Trump! Santorum has always been very strong on the immigration issue. It's funny how you never pick articles on Trump apart the way you do those on everyone else. Honestly, I'd support Santorum, Walker, or maybe even Trump (if he comes off that expedited return crap) before I would the liberal nominee. Whether you believe this or not, we don't have to put all our eggs in one basket this early in the game. What are you going to do if Trump falls apart, especially after you've hyped him so much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MW View Post
    Judy, every post doesn't have to be about Trump! Santorum has always been very strong on the immigration issue. It's funny how you never pick articles on Trump apart the way you do those on everyone else. Honestly, I'd support Santorum, Walker, or maybe even Trump (if he comes off that expedited return crap) before I would the liberal nominee. Whether you believe this or not, we don't have to put all our eggs in one basket this early in the game. What are you going to do if Trump falls apart, especially after you've hyped him so much?
    I haven't committed to vote for Trump. I'm Pro-Choice and support the FairTax, which Trump hasn't committed to as yet, and I don't yet know what Trump means by his Pro-Life stance. If it means he wants to use the power of the federal government or allow states to use theirs to force pregnant girls or women into childbirth against their will, then he won't get my vote. If it means this is his own personal view and he doesn't intend to use the powers of government against girls and women, and if he supports the FairTax, then he'll not only get my vote, I'll put a sign in my yard and ask everyone I can reach to do likewise.

    What are you going to do if Trump falls apart?

    What is every American going to do if Trump falls apart?

    As for me, I'll continue working to pass the FairTax which not only helps stop illegal aliens from staying and coming here, it also helps solve much of our free trade treason disaster which together creates jobs at higher wages for Americans, reduces poverty which reduces the cost and size of government, increases tax revenue collections due to the boom in the economy which eliminates deficit spending and reduces our national debt. One simple piece of legislation with 10 WINS. It's the single most important economic development legislation that's ever been presented to the American People, and it doesn't cost US a dime. It abolishes the $14 billion a year IRS and replaces it with a small staff to review 50 state monthly FairTax collection transmissions.

    I guess you'll vote for Walker or someone and work on another gimick in the income tax code to try to "tax the rich"? I've never understood why some Americans think rich people's money will do more for them in the hands of government thieves than in private investments that generate real businesses and good jobs.

    FairTax Act of 2015: HR 25 in the US House of Representatives and S 155 in the US Senate.
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    This is an interview with Rick Santorum on subjects being discussed within the article, plus other matters. The immigration discussion starts about 6:30.

    http://ak.podcast.foxnewsradio.com/t...EADE_AUG19.mp3
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeach View Post
    This is an interview with Rick Santorum on subjects being discussed within the article, plus other matters. The immigration discussion starts about 6:30.

    http://ak.podcast.foxnewsradio.com/t...EADE_AUG19.mp3
    Thank you GeorgiaPeach! That was a good interview, but again Santorum only said focus on sending the visa overstays back, why limit to bumping the ones who came here legally out first? Because he doesn't intend to do that. He intends to listen to each plea and extend their visas.

    I liked his statements on automatic birthright citizenship, I thought he answered that question really well. Santorum is a nice guy, but until he commits to deporting all illegal aliens and removing all the incentives, nothing much will happen. I just don't understand why he would limit or try to focus on removals of just the visa overstays unless he intends to extend the visas and by doing so reduce illegal immigration numbers artificially.

    Just my opinion.
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    Judy wrote:

    I guess you'll vote for Walker or someone and work on another gimick in the income tax code to try to "tax the rich"? I've never understood why some Americans think rich people's money will do more for them in the hands of government thieves than in private investments that generate real businesses and good jobs.
    Wow, you don't know me at all. I definitely don't support taxing any specific group of people more than another. I challenge you to show me where I've made such a declaration. Furthermore, your comment is contrary to the position you state on taxes because the fair tax benefits the wealthy at the expense of the middle class! You can tell me all you want on the prebate and this and that, but in the end it's the wealthy that benefit the most from the so-called fair tax plan. Truth be told, the plan isn't fair at all.

    Besides all that, taxes isn't my primary concern. Oh, and why aren't you hammering Trump on his position of increasing the taxes on the wealthy?
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    You don't support the income tax that taxes specific groups more than another? You oppose the FairTax that taxes everyone the same, you call that "unfair", you claim that "benefits the wealthy at the expense of the middle class". All the FairTax does is tax everyone the same, except illegal aliens who can't apply for the rebate where Americans and legal residents can.

    I hammer Trump to support the FairTax, all the time. If he supports keeping the income tax, then he's not my guy. I've made that abundantly clear, and I mean it. Ask Mitt Romney. If someone isn't smart enough to want to abolish the income tax and replace it with the FairTax, then they aren't smart enough to run our country. It's just that simple.
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