Thread: Undocumented housekeeper at Trump golf course says she does not regret going public

Originally Posted by MW

Actually we don't really know if she conned anyone. Perhaps those employing her knew the truth and knew her documents were fraudulent, but they hired her anyway with the assumption they could use the false documents to say they were deceived if caught in the act.

Remember, 99% of Trump's businesses don't use E-verify even though he has claimed otherwise.

Why would they want to hire her if she's an illegal alien? She's housekeeping and is paid $13 am hour, the same as they pay all their housekeeping staff which is a lot more than other employers in the area. What benefit is she to them as an illegal alien? None. There is no business reason for them to hire illegal aliens.

Originally Posted by Judy

Why would they want to hire her if she's an illegal alien? She's housekeeping and is paid $13 am hour, the same as they pay all their housekeeping staff which is a lot more than other employers in the area. What benefit is she to them as an illegal alien? None. There is no business reason for them to hire illegal aliens.

Maybe I missed it, where in the article did it say she made $13 an hour? Furthermore, how do you know what all the other employers are paying their housekeepers? Remember, she is an illegal alien, not an H-2B visa worker. Yes, there are plenty of reasons employers hire illegal aliens (of course you know that). How do you know she is not making less than the H-2B foreign worker employees? How do you know they don't take advantage of her by making demands of her that they don't make of legal employees? All you seem to be doing is speculating because you have no proof to substantiate your comments.

By law there is a set wage Trump must pay his legal foreign workers, but that doesn't apply to an illegal. All he's required to pay her is minimum wage.

It's already an established fact that Trump's businesses like to keep down labor cost by taking advantage of the H2B visa program. We'll, hiring an illegals will keep the labor cost even lower.

Originally Posted by MW

Maybe I missed it, where in the article did it say she made $13 an hour? Furthermore, how do you know what all the other employers are paying their housekeepers? Remember, she is an illegal alien, not an H-2B visa worker. Yes, there are plenty of reasons employers hire illegal aliens (of course you know that). How do you know she is not making less than the H-2B foreign worker employees? How do you know they don't take advantage of her by making demands of her that they don't make of legal employees? All you seem to be doing is speculating because you have no proof to substantiate your comments.

By law there is a set wage Trump must pay his legal foreign workers, but that doesn't apply to an illegal. All he's required to pay her is minimum wage.

It's already an established fact that Trump's businesses like to keep down labor cost by taking advantage of the H2B visa program. We'll, hiring an illegals will keep the labor cost even lower.

It's in one of the articles that she was earning $13 an hour. She stated she made more at the golf club than at the hotel where she worked which is why she transferred to golf club when she saw the ad or heard about the job. In that article she said she was hired at $10 an hour 5 years ago. She's raised her salary almost 30% in 5 years, she's hardly an abused employee. No, Trump doesn't use the H2B program to keep down labor costs, the H2B program isn't about the rate of pay, it's about the availability of workers at certain times of the year at these resort areas. A full time housekeeper position isn't eligible for H2B.

If you're worried about wages, you need to look at all the Americans earning minimum wage doing much harder work than Morales cleaning a toilet and ironing some boxers at a fancy golf club resort to look for the impact of illegal immigration on American wages. It's not a worker who presents herself as a legal green card worker. Employers are forbidden from discriminating against a green card worker and an American citizen. Unfortunately they both have to be given the same opportunity to be hired. It's why Trump is so adamant about reducing the green card admissions and ending chain migration and why he wants to convert it to a merit-based system at much lower numbers with no chance for welfare or hauling your whole family tribe into the United States.

Originally Posted by Judy

It's in one of the articles that she was earning $13 an hour. She stated she made more at the golf club than at the hotel where she worked which is why she transferred to golf club when she saw the ad or heard about the job. In that article she said she was hired at $10 an hour 5 years ago. She's raised her salary almost 30% in 5 years, she's hardly an abused employee. No, Trump doesn't use the H2B program to keep down labor costs, the H2B program isn't about the rate of pay, it's about the availability of workers at certain times of the year at these resort areas. A full time housekeeper position isn't eligible for H2B.

If you're worried about wages, you need to look at all the Americans earning minimum wage doing much harder work than Morales cleaning a toilet and ironing some boxers at a fancy golf club resort to look for the impact of illegal immigration on American wages. It's not a worker who presents herself as a legal green card worker. Employers are forbidden from discriminating against a green card worker and an American citizen. Unfortunately they both have to be given the same opportunity to be hired. It's why Trump is so adamant about reducing the green card admissions and ending chain migration and why he wants to convert it to a merit-based system at much lower numbers with no chance for welfare or hauling your whole family tribe into the United States.

Of course H2B is about lower wages! Without the available cheaper labor, wages would increase. There is no evidence of a labor shortage, especially at the bottom end of the labor market. If there was, wages and benefits would be increasing noticeably and that's not happening and hasn't happened in decades.

I can't believe you've fell hook line and sinker for the myth being perpetrated by tourist and other seasonal businesses. This is all being done so greedy businesses can continue to reap the rewards of cheap labor. Yes, the H2B visa program is part of it. Oh, and you're wrong about housekeepers not being eligible for the H2B program. Skilled and non-skilled labor is eligible and that includes lifeguards, housekeepers, servers, cooks, etc. They're eligible in 10 month increments.

The increasing reliance on foreign workers (legal and illegal) has caused the social networks and recruitment practices once used to attract native-born Americans to atrophy, creating the impression there are no workers.

Originally Posted by MW

Of course H2B is about lower wages! Without the available cheaper labor, wages would increase. There is no evidence of a labor shortage, especially at the bottom end of the labor market. If there was, wages and benefits would be increasing noticeably and that's not happening and hasn't happened in decades.

I can't believe you've fell hook line and sinker for the myth being perpetrated by tourist and other seasonal businesses. This is all being done so greedy businesses can continue to reap the rewards of cheap labor. Yes, the H2B visa program is part of it. Oh, and you're wrong about housekeepers not being eligible for the H2B program. Skilled and non-skilled labor is eligible and that includes lifeguards, housekeepers, servers, cooks, etc. They're eligible in 10 month increments.

The increasing reliance on foreign workers (legal and illegal) has caused the social networks and recruitment practices once used to attract native-born Americans to atrophy, creating the impression there are no workers.

I've never had a problem with the H2B visa because it's specific industries for specific time periods during certain seasons, the same as I've never had a problem with the H2A agricultural visas. They come, they work, they leave, and the numbers are very small compared to other programs. I don't want to see increases in the numbers.

I have a problem with 30 million illegal aliens roaming the land, over 1 million new green cards annually, 700,000 student visas annually and 85,000 H1B visas a year, because of these huge numbers and because they come, they work/study, and almost never leave. Same with TPS and refugees. And now this asylum madness.

I didn't say housekeepers weren't eligible for H2Bs. I said plain as day, full-time housekeepers are not eligible for H2B visas.

Originally Posted by Judy

I've never had a problem with the H2B visa because it's specific industries for specific time periods during certain seasons, the same as I've never had a problem with the H2A agricultural visas. They come, they work, they leave, and the numbers are very small compared to other programs. I don't want to see increases in the numbers.

I have a problem with 30 million illegal aliens roaming the land, over 1 million new green cards annually, 700,000 student visas annually and 85,000 H1B visas a year, because of these huge numbers and because they come, they work/study, and almost never leave. Same with TPS and refugees. And now this asylum madness.

I didn't say housekeepers weren't eligible for H2Bs. I said plain as day, full-time housekeepers are not eligible for H2B visas.

Judy, you're absolutely right about the 30 million illegal aliens roaming the land; its these average, "non-criminal" illegals who are the ones who've taken over entire industries from American citizens. Drive by any residential construction site and its highly likely a foreign crew is doing the job. Builders are complicit in hiring them , and Americans cannot compete. They give 1099 forms to their employees and don't take taxes out. Their families collect taxpayer benefits, and their children fill our schools, requiring ESL services from the get -go. America needs relief from the millions and millions of "garden variety " illegal aliens in our communities, not just the "criminals"!