Thread: Undocumented immigrant accused of shooting a gun says he has same Second Amendment ri

Originally Posted by Judy

What exactly in "MW's WORLD" is the difference between an illegal alien who sneaks into our country with a gun or without one?

I can see that. An unarmed illegal alien is not as great a threat as an armed illegal alien.

An armed illegal alien crossing the border is illegally transporting arms across the border in addition to illegally crossing the border.

"Judy's World" is a one world order. She doesn't believe in the right of any country to limit the rights of anybody entering their country. No more borders!

Originally Posted by Judy

They have protections as people. They do not have protections as citizens, because they aren't citizens. They do not have protections as immigrants because they aren't immigrants. They do not have nonimmigrant protections such as visa holders, because they are not visa holders who agree to forfeit their right to firearms among other things in exchange for access to work in our country. Do they have rights as people in the United States? Certainly, why wouldn't they? According to federal law, being in the country illegally is a misdemeanor. According to federal law and courts, they can't be detained after so many days without a bond. According to federal law and courts, they can't be deported without a judicial hearing. According to federal policy, their children born here are US citizens. According to the US Supreme Court, they are entitled to public education. According to the federal government, they have the right to protest in our streets, public buildings, and other public areas. According to the federal law, illegal aliens are required to register with Selective Service for military conscription which generally involves bearing a firearm. According to federal government policy, illegal aliens are serving in the US military and usually bearing a firearm.

How can you make the children of illegal aliens born in the US without the right to keep and bear a firearm to protect them or yourself?

How can you make illegal aliens register for a potential draft or allow them to join the US military without the right to bear a firearm to fight a war?

What the federal government has done all these years is violate the US Constitution. It picks and chooses what rights it wants to hand out to whom, and that is wrong, that is unconstitutional.

What too many Americans have found acceptable is creating a second class group of persons living and operating in the country illegally with the rights you don't mind them having versus the ones you do. Well, as long as you allow them to be here, they have all the Constitutional protections of any person in the United States. If you don't want that, you better get on board with mass deportations and the toughest border security this world has ever seen. Otherwise, you're doomed.

Not every person that gets their foot in country is entitled to the same rights as legal citizens and this seems to be the logic of the open borders crowd to justify the flooding of the country with foreign nationals.

There is an abundance of reasons to restrict foreign nationals to bear arms in the country as it stands currently, it is against Federal law. Illegals plug up the court system with their billionaire backed lawyers chinking away at existing law to get far more than they are entitled to. Let him do his 10 years and send him back where he came from.

Being a citizen means something and the illegal aliens are cheapening that every day

Originally Posted by jtdc

I can see that. An unarmed illegal alien is not as great a threat as an armed illegal alien.

An armed illegal alien crossing the border is illegally transporting arms across the border in addition to illegally crossing the border.

"Judy's World" is a one world order. She doesn't believe in the right of any country to limit the rights of anybody entering their country. No more borders!

LOL!! Funny!! I always know when I won the argument when you LIE about Judy's World. Shame on you!

Originally Posted by Judy

LOL!! Funny!! I always know when I won the argument when you LIE about Judy's World.

Which part was I incorrect about?

Originally Posted by Newmexican

Not every person that gets their foot in country is entitled to the same rights as legal citizens and this seems to be the logic of the open borders crowd to justify the flooding of the country with foreign nationals.

There is an abundance of reasons to restrict foreign nationals to bear arms in the country as it stands currently, it is against Federal law. Illegals plug up the court system with their billionaire backed lawyers chinking away at existing law to get far more than they are entitled to. Let him do his 10 years and send him back where he came from.

Being a citizen means something and the illegal aliens are cheapening that every day

Illegal aliens aren't entitled to anything in our country, that's why they should be deported immediately, within 48 hours of an arrest, along with every illegal alien member including minor children even those born in the USA in their household, family, residence, work place, gang, church, school, business, neighborhood, along with every illegal alien those people are associated with in any way, shape or form in their city, county and state, until one day we wake up and ask "where are all the illegal aliens?", because there will no longer be any illegal aliens in the United States, because they were all rapidly arrested and deported, quickly and quietly.

We have to GO NUCLEAR, with a RAPID CHAIN REACTION DEPORTATION PLAN.

Wasting years on prosecuting an illegal alien over a gun possession charge only to cost taxpayers millions of dollars in the process makes absolutely no sense to me at all, and worse, this illegal alien is empowered due only to the fact that he hasn't already been deported to place himself in the center of the stage to debate and defend the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. How truly pathetic is that?!

Originally Posted by jtdc

Which part was I incorrect about?

The part I highlighted in bold for you. Judy's World is not "new world order", you LIED. Judy's World is not for "no borders", you LIED. I (she) do not believe that countries do not have the right to limit the rights of people entering their country, you LIED.

The other part of your post shows you support gun control. I don't. I support the 2nd Amendment in its plain meaning of the words, as written in plain English that means exactly what it says, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". I realize a lot of citizens of the United States like you don't, a lot of citizens of the United States are afraid of people with guns, so there is vast disagreement in our country about the 2nd Amendment, and those citizens who oppose the 2nd Amendment and support gun control have already cost many American citizens their civil rights, liberty, and even their lives over it.

Judy wrote (excerpt):

Wasting years on prosecuting an illegal alien over a gun possession charge only to cost taxpayers millions of dollars in the process makes absolutely no sense to me at all, and worse, this illegal alien is empowered due only to the fact that he hasn't already been deported to place himself in the center of the stage to debate and defend the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. How truly pathetic is that?!

So now the real truth reveals itself. The 2nd Amendment argument you're making really isn't the problem for you, it's the fact that a felony criminal is being prosecuted. So by your logic we should just close our eyes and ignore the "rule of law" when an illegal alien commits a crime? Whatever happened to nobody is above the law?

Deportation is not a punishment for a criminal act!

Originally Posted by Judy

The part I highlighted in bold for you. Judy's World is not "new world order", you LIED.

It looks like the truth to me.

Originally Posted by Judy

Judy's World is not for "no borders", you LIED.

Like a revolving door!

Originally Posted by Judy

I (she) do not believe that countries do not have the right to limit the rights of people entering their country, you LIED.

Unless they want to carry a gun!

Originally Posted by Judy

The other part of your post shows you support gun control.

To some extent!

Originally Posted by Judy

I support the 2nd Amendment in its plain meaning of the words, as written in plain English that means exactly what it says, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

As you ignore the rest of the Amendment and the reason it was created.

Judy wrote (excerpt):

Illegal aliens aren't entitled to anything in our country,

Okay, make up your dang mind!

Are illegals entitled to the protections guaranteed under the 2nd Amendment or aren't they? At times it seems you forget your own position during continued debate.

Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote (excerpt):



So now the real truth reveals itself. The 2nd Amendment argument you're making really isn't the problem for you, it's the fact that a felony criminal is being prosecuted. So by your logic we should just close our eyes and ignore the "rule of law" when an illegal alien commits a crime? Whatever happened to nobody is above the law?

Deportation is not a punishment for a criminal act!

We are not the world's policeman. These people are not our problem, because they are not our responsibility. It's not the responsibility of the people of the United States to prosecute other country's bad citizens, lock them up and pay for it

It is our responsibility to get them out of our country, turn them over to their governments, and keep them out of here. That is our job, our responsibility, and that is all.

I don't want them protesting in our streets and government facilities under the First Amendment, I don't want them possessing guns under the Second Amendment, I don't want them clogging our courts and jails under the 4th and 6th Amendments, I don't want them breeding citizens on our soil under the 14th Amendment. I want them all out of here on the fastest date possible and kept out of the United States, by all means necessary, whatever it takes. And that is all I want.