Thread: "Anglo" Muslim sues Ventura Sheriff over Hijab Removal

Originally Posted by Beezer

Medical care is not a right?

GOOD...then why are OUR taxpayer dollars funding medical care for lazy breeders who don't work and have no insurance and illegal aliens who do not belong in our country? It should not be a right to provide it for any of them unless life or death situation.

They have NO RIGHT to our medical care then. Any taxpayer funded "business" including our own Federal and State Government offices should have mandatory E-verify and valid Government Issued ID card to ensure there is no fraud and they have NO right to free medical care.

These hospitals and Doctors offices ARE funded with OUR taxpayer money. And WE foot the bill and pay the high premiums for those who have NO RIGHT to medical care.

A Driver's License issued to an ILLEGAL ALIEN who has no right to be in this country, no right to drive on our roads and the State has NO right to issue those government licenses should not be acceptable as a form of ID.

Correct, medical care is a business service, that someone has to pay for, you or someone on your behalf, whether that's your chosen insurance company you pay to pay for you, a retirement program you pay into that is part of your employer contract or Medicare, a benefit program an employer pays for as a company employee benefit in lieu of wages, a poverty program funded by the government, a gift from a charity, or a service you pay for privately yourself or with the help of friends or family. It's a business service and always has been.

We have 12 states and DC who issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens. The other 38 states don't. Republicans and other common sense Americans who live in those 12 states and DC need to work hard to repeal those stupid laws to stop that absurd practice.

Originally Posted by Judy

So, what is the "new problem" again? Telephones, airplanes, computers and citizens moving from place to place to find work are "new problems"?

Yes! You must be a hermit! We have lawsuits about tapping phones and other communication devices. That problem didn't exist back when the country began. You had to be within earshot to eavesdrop!

Airplanes? Back then it took weeks to cross the Atlantic for an invasion or for spies to communicated with the homeland. And look at how we have to have security for airplanes.

Computers? They had nothing like that that could hack polling places or FALSIFY IDENTITIES!

Originally Posted by Judy

American citizens who wish to vote are required to register to vote in 49 states, North Dakota is the only state that doesn't require voter registration, but still requires through other means, verification that you are a US citizen, 18 years of age, and a resident of North Dakota to vote.

You mean just anybody can't just walk in and vote? And here you said it is a right!

Originally Posted by Judy

The purpose of voter registration proves who you are as well as other processes of verification for new voters like those used in North Dakota.

And photo ID is just another method to accomplish that!

Originally Posted by Judy

As to when our republic was born and internet wasn't available to "massively misinform people", internet wasn't needed to do that.

The only way then was word of mouth!

Originally Posted by Judy

Finally, voting is in fact a right of US citizens 18 years or older protected by the US Constitution.

Another circle argument we already discussed. You just are determined to repeat what isn't true! The Constitution allows the "privilege" with exceptions. The fact alone that those under 18 can't vote demonstrates that it is not a universal right, as is the right to live. And until Amended, the Constitution did not allow Blacks to vote, and that was 93 years after this country was founded. And woman didn't get the privilege to vote until 1920. So those were added privileges.

But all this evades the fact that the Constitution provided the privilege to vote only to U.S. citizens. And everything you have provided here shows the right of states to verify identify. Photo ID is just one method!

Originally Posted by Judy

and no state or Congress can change that.

Even by Amendment?

LOL!!

A right guaranteed by the Constitution is not a privilege, it's a right.

Even by Amendment?

Correct. It requires 38 states, not one, to Amend the US Constitution. It requires 2/3 vote in both chambers of Congress to propose the Amendment to the states.

I'm sorry you have such a fear of your telephone, computer and airplanes. My suggestion is get rid of your cell phone, use a land-line, dump your personal computer and use the free ones at the library, and stop flying. Take personal responsibility for your own issues and stop making your fears someone else's problem.

You mean just anybody can't just walk in and vote? And here you said it is a right!

Under the US Constitution it is a right of US citizens 18 years and older. You didn't know that??!!!!

And photo ID is just another method to accomplish that!

LOL!! That's why "Voter Registrars" accept them as one means to register you to vote if the history of your license tracks back to a birth certificate. Geez. You are still confusing yourself. GET HELP!!!

Originally Posted by Judy

A right guaranteed by the Constitution is not a privilege, it's a right.

A "conditional right", a privilege! If some of the Founders had their way there would be no Amendment process, and therefore, you and Blacks would still not be able to vote. So it wasn't a "right" for everybody, only the "privileged"! And they still had to prove that they were who they said they were!

Originally Posted by jtdc

A "conditional right", a privilege! If some of the Founders had their way there would be no Amendment process, and therefore, you and Blacks would still not be able to vote. So it wasn't a "right" for everybody, only the "privileged"! And they still had to prove that they were who they said they were!

It's not a "conditional right". It's a guaranteed constitutional right of adult US citizens. Who else matters? Who else's rights are you concerned with?

Geez, you're quickly working your way into the "human rights" crowd. STOP IT!! GET HELP!!

Originally Posted by Judy

It's not a "conditional right". It's a guaranteed constitutional right of adult US citizens.

Unless they have been convicted of a felony. SO IT IS NOT AN "INALIENABLE RIGHT!"

Originally Posted by jtdc

Unless they have been convicted of a felony. SO IT IS NOT AN "INALIENABLE RIGHT!"

Oh geez. The Constitution allows at the discretion of the states, the exclusion of those committing insurrection or rebellion, "or crime". Some states do, some states don't.

There is no such thing as "iinalienable right" in the US Constitution. The term doesn't exist in that document anywhere, not once. Maybe you ought to read the Constitution before you embark on these ridiculous discussions of a document you obviously aren't even familiar with.

Originally Posted by Judy

Oh geez. The Constitution allows at the discretion of the states, the exclusion of those committing insurrection or rebellion, "or crime". Some states do, some states don't.

So it is not an unalienable right! The word unalienable is in the Declaration Of Independence, which preceded the Constitution. And that document didn't even mention voting!

Now you want to argue the meaning of words? Inalienable or unalienable means something that can't be taken away. The "right to vote" doesn't meet that definition!

Originally Posted by Judy

There is no such thing as "iinalienable right" in the US Constitution.

The words are interchangeable, except for your spelling!

Originally Posted by Judy

Maybe you ought to read Constitutiont before you embark on these ridiculous discussions of a document you obviously aren't even familiar with.

At least I can spell "constitution" and "inalienable"! So you're not so smart after all!

You argue that voting is not an "inalienable right" or as you correct yourself, "unalienable right". I never said it was, no one in the history of our country to my knowledge ever said it was, the Constitution never said it was either one, so you're arguing with yourself again.

GET HELP!!!

At least I can spell "constitution" and "inalienable"! So you're not so smart after all!

That's what this is all about, you're trying to prove you're smarter than me?!!!

Well, good luck with that!

Originally Posted by Judy

Finally, voting is in fact a right of US citizens 18 years or older protected by the US Constitution. That's why the US Constitution has been amended 3 times to protect the right of blacks, women and 18 year old citizens to vote and no state or Congress can change that.

Who is taking their "right" to vote away? They already do vote.

Are they turned away at the voting booths?