Thread: Borwn Berets Racist? DD Racist? No way.

By 1970, the Brown Berets had developed a 13-point program" and concentrated its organizing in the barrios and colonias. The Berets' "f*** the marrano" (pig) politics attracted the most oppressed sectors of the Mexicano community, and the groups Soon grew into a national organization with 90 chapters and over 5,000 members, making it the largest Chicano Mexicano liberation-oriented organization that has ever existed. The Berets published a national newspaper called La Causa, which supported student walkouts throughout southern California and elsewhere. The Berets were instrumental in organizing the Chicano Moratorium march; one of the dead was a 16-year old Brown Beret named Lynn Ward.

In 1971, the Brown Berets organized a "Marcha de La Reconquista" as a way of raising awareness. In Riverside, Calif., the Berets shot down a police helicopter. Hundreds of demonstrations were organized, from California to Texas by the Brown Berets, many leading to clashes with local cops, resulting in deaths and injuries of many of its members.

-- excerpt from Revolutionary Barrio Organizing Confronts Cops, Electoral Politics, Racism, by Ernesto Aguilar dated Friday, 10 December 2004

I have no problem with the fight of the 60's and 70's. Being white back then was all one had to be to not get hosed or beat down by the cops. The Brown berets stood their ground against local racist groups as well. Today I know they are using tactics of the past. They would better serve their cause by not falling into the leftist counter productive crap. I say that proudly. I have told Brown Beret organizers this myself.

Today is a new tactical era and marches and violence and hate talk helps nothing. From either side. So as you point your finger remember the three pointing back at you. I have seen and heard what they are saying and doing and it is as I said, this is the battle I am fighting in my community.

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by ceyaotl

Originally Posted by Scubayons

Let me guess ceyaotl.
You are also a member of LuLac

As a matter of fact I am a Council President. I do not however agree with all LULAC speaks out on. I am not very well liked by those that do not like my anti-left stances. I don't really care. I made President for my ability to organize.

Does that mean that we should have forgiven the well-organized officers of the Nazi SS?

In my book, if you are an officer of an organization then you should be held accountable for the stances and policies of that organization.

This ain't Nazi Germany. In America we are able to join organizations and be apart of political parties. Just because we are members of those entities does not mean we have to fall in lock step with them. In every party there are hardliners and moderates. So use some common sense ok? BYW Your book sucks.

I mean the fact that you have a person here talking about the United States should be secure yet uses the name Dixie is really the troublesome part of your website.

Yea, troublesome for you and every other troll that will come my way.

Sorry, don't have time for your post because I didn't get past your race bating.

BTT you can ask my friends that come from Asia, the Middle East, Israel, Germany, black communities... Don't for get the gay friends and relatives. Oh, what about my former Hispanic boyfriends. How about my Hispanic in-laws. I'm sure all of the above will stand behind me on a personal level. Your accusations are laughable and accentuates your disdain for my American pride. At least I realize American isn't a race.

Also, Dixie was chose for a personal reason and has nothing to do with racism.

Here is some advise, don't make accusations about your opponents unless you can substantiate them with facts. It only makes you look bad.

Try to have a good life going down the wrong path on the immigration issue.

Dixie

Well, I accidentally scrubbed out troll boys post. I was going to quote him but I edited him instead. Too Bad! It was a nice personal attack!

Originally Posted by marineinspector

I've got a feeling that Joseph won't be back.

What ever gave you that idea? Should I be afraid of something?

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by ceyaotl

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

You were DOA ceyaotl, you started pushing your Ethnic agenda right from the get-go, adio's

You were DOA with your anti-ethnic agenda. I am proud to be Chicano and I do not dispute that and I am also proud to be an American as I have said you can not separate the two. So, having said that what do you think I am doing? Do you think I am here to disagree or do think I am here to give a different perspective as to what it is I am fighting at my level and to bridge a better understand as to what is out here and what Pro-American Latinos are doing.

You and some others here seem to be resentful of the Fact that I am Chicano and Proud. I am American and Proud. It is not my fault that my culture has been very prevalent in my life and has been passed on to me by my parents, it just is. We are closer to the situation as well. We have family in Mexico and we have ties to that country that will probably never be broken. That does not mean that we do not want to Leftist Politics to spill over to our country and that does not mean that we do not want to see the Pro-Che crap and the Leftist fools running around talking about revolution. In that aspect I am a Revolutionary as I am causing change that is not common to my surroundings. I am placing my life in dangers as I am defamed and slandered as a traitor to my race. Do I care? Hell no, I am here to support this country and I am here to be pro-American. I do not want to see people raising Mexican Flags over government bldgs. I do not want to see Che's image on a Cuban flag at a march in my home town. I am doing all I can to fight my good fight and your inability to see the Chicano side of my fight is your own problem. I am fighting to win back the hearts and minds of a people that have been lead astray by groups that I compare to Hamas and the PLO.


Get off you high horse and remember I need no ones approval to run my war on Anti-Americanism Amigo.

I have no problem with any person clinging to his heritage. I think that the problem that most of us have is with illegal immigrants coming here and demanding that we spend tax dollars to accommodate their culture and language, particularly when that culture includes a lack of respect for the rule of law.

I understand that point. I really understand. I wish we could not have the 12 milliohm people problem but the idea that we are going to ship out 12 million people is crazy. Totally crazy. As you all know there are little Americans attached to them now and they deserve to be in America with their family. I do agree that English should be learned taught and spoken in our main stream society. The fix is to set up initiatives at grassroots levels that teach it and support it. That is one thing LULAC and others can do to help the situation. Rather than supporting more Anti-Border security marches. These are the Ideas I am pushing at the National level for LULAC.

ce ya otl,

You never did post a link to the locked threads.

We don't allow race baiting or personal attacks here.

The issue here is illegal immigration. Not if one particular group of people has more of a right or not to be here. You are either legal or illegal plain and simple.

No one is suggesting that 12 million people be deported in mass. ALIPAC's position is:

1. Secure Our Borders.
2. Crack down on employers that intentionally hire illegals.
3. Remove incentives and rewards to illegals such as licenses, welfare, and other taxpayer benefits.
4. Enforce our existing laws and deport illegal aliens when convicted of crimes or detected during routine law enforcement activities.

Originally Posted by ceyaotl

Mexican American.

And therein lies the problem, you consider yourself Mexican before American.

As I said earlier in this thread, there is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, but you can't put it before being an American.

I’m an American of Irish and English heritage. Out of the three, nothing is more important then being an American.

That's not the case with you.

Originally Posted by ceyaotl

By 1970, the Brown Berets had developed a 13-point program" and concentrated its organizing in the barrios and colonias. The Berets' "f*** the marrano" (pig) politics attracted the most oppressed sectors of the Mexicano community, and the groups Soon grew into a national organization with 90 chapters and over 5,000 members, making it the largest Chicano Mexicano liberation-oriented organization that has ever existed. The Berets published a national newspaper called La Causa, which supported student walkouts throughout southern California and elsewhere. The Berets were instrumental in organizing the Chicano Moratorium march; one of the dead was a 16-year old Brown Beret named Lynn Ward.

In 1971, the Brown Berets organized a "Marcha de La Reconquista" as a way of raising awareness. In Riverside, Calif., the Berets shot down a police helicopter. Hundreds of demonstrations were organized, from California to Texas by the Brown Berets, many leading to clashes with local cops, resulting in deaths and injuries of many of its members.

-- excerpt from Revolutionary Barrio Organizing Confronts Cops, Electoral Politics, Racism, by Ernesto Aguilar dated Friday, 10 December 2004

I have no problem with the fight of the 60's and 70's. Being white back then was all one had to be to not get hosed or beat down by the cops. The Brown berets stood their ground against local racist groups as well. Today I know they are using tactics of the past. They would better serve their cause by not falling into the leftist counter productive crap. I say that proudly. I have told Brown Beret organizers this myself.

Today is a new tactical era and marches and violence and hate talk helps nothing. From either side. So as you point your finger remember the three pointing back at you. I have seen and heard what they are saying and doing and it is as I said, this is the battle I am fighting in my community.

There are no fingers pointing at me, my little brown friend, unless you are being racist and condemning me because of my imagined race. Is that what you are saying? What is it you believe that I have done that would earn finger-pointing in my direction? Unless I am mistaken, I don't believe that you know me from Adam's housecat.

Now, it appears that you are excusing the radical tactics of the Brown Berets, your only objection being that they did not necessarily achieve the desired result. I would say that the expression of such a sentiment pretty much earns whatever derision had been previously tossed in your direction in this discussion, so thanks for clarifying.

Lastly, you seem to indicate that white people have never been the victims of overzealous police enforcement, at least back in the era of the '60s and 70s you are addressing. Wouldn't the students at Kent State have been surprised to hear that?

In sum, you are all over the place. I suggest that the reason is that you are engaged in self-deception. Inside you beats the heart of a committed racist which is at odds with a head that tells you that you are fair-minded and righteous.

Originally Posted by ceyaotl

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by ceyaotl

Originally Posted by Scubayons

Let me guess ceyaotl.
You are also a member of LuLac

As a matter of fact I am a Council President. I do not however agree with all LULAC speaks out on. I am not very well liked by those that do not like my anti-left stances. I don't really care. I made President for my ability to organize.

Does that mean that we should have forgiven the well-organized officers of the Nazi SS?

In my book, if you are an officer of an organization then you should be held accountable for the stances and policies of that organization.

This ain't Nazi Germany. In America we are able to join organizations and be apart of political parties. Just because we are members of those entities does not mean we have to fall in lock step with them. In every party there are hardliners and moderates. So use some common sense ok? BYW Your book sucks.

My "book" sucks because it accurately depicts what you are about. You are just another lost idealogue whose little head cannot accept the fact of his own racism and hate. Everything you have posted here screams that you are a committed racist. It screams the fact more loudly than your silly rhetoric can scream otherwise. The fact is that you are an advocate for a people who have demonstrated their utter lack of regard for the laws of this country. You are an advocate for a foreign invasion, and so you are not an American at all, but merely a hostile who happens to have been born on American soil.

Originally Posted by ceyaotl

Originally Posted by CrocketsGhost

Originally Posted by ceyaotl

Originally Posted by Reciprocity

You were DOA ceyaotl, you started pushing your Ethnic agenda right from the get-go, adio's

You were DOA with your anti-ethnic agenda. I am proud to be Chicano and I do not dispute that and I am also proud to be an American as I have said you can not separate the two. So, having said that what do you think I am doing? Do you think I am here to disagree or do think I am here to give a different perspective as to what it is I am fighting at my level and to bridge a better understand as to what is out here and what Pro-American Latinos are doing.

You and some others here seem to be resentful of the Fact that I am Chicano and Proud. I am American and Proud. It is not my fault that my culture has been very prevalent in my life and has been passed on to me by my parents, it just is. We are closer to the situation as well. We have family in Mexico and we have ties to that country that will probably never be broken. That does not mean that we do not want to Leftist Politics to spill over to our country and that does not mean that we do not want to see the Pro-Che crap and the Leftist fools running around talking about revolution. In that aspect I am a Revolutionary as I am causing change that is not common to my surroundings. I am placing my life in dangers as I am defamed and slandered as a traitor to my race. Do I care? Hell no, I am here to support this country and I am here to be pro-American. I do not want to see people raising Mexican Flags over government bldgs. I do not want to see Che's image on a Cuban flag at a march in my home town. I am doing all I can to fight my good fight and your inability to see the Chicano side of my fight is your own problem. I am fighting to win back the hearts and minds of a people that have been lead astray by groups that I compare to Hamas and the PLO.


Get off you high horse and remember I need no ones approval to run my war on Anti-Americanism Amigo.

I have no problem with any person clinging to his heritage. I think that the problem that most of us have is with illegal immigrants coming here and demanding that we spend tax dollars to accommodate their culture and language, particularly when that culture includes a lack of respect for the rule of law.

I understand that point. I really understand. I wish we could not have the 12 milliohm people problem but the idea that we are going to ship out 12 million people is crazy. Totally crazy. As you all know there are little Americans attached to them now and they deserve to be in America with their family. I do agree that English should be learned taught and spoken in our main stream society. The fix is to set up initiatives at grassroots levels that teach it and support it. That is one thing LULAC and others can do to help the situation. Rather than supporting more Anti-Border security marches. These are the Ideas I am pushing at the National level for LULAC.

Your premise is false on at least two levels. First, children born to illegal aliens were NEVER meant to be granted automatic citizenship. If you don't believe that, why don't you research the debate leading to the passage of the operative clause in Amendment XIV instead of offering only your opinion? Besides, legislation will soon plug that glaring leak in the nation's security.

Next, it is not necessary to deport every illegal alien. There are ways to drive them to self-deport. All we need to do is to cut off the freebies and enforce the existing laws by severely prosecuting those who hire and abet illegal aliens. When the job opportunities dry up and there are no more ways to steal taxpayer benefits, the illegals will move on to greener pastures.