Thread: Tea Party Activists beware: fairtax con artists are back!

Please note that Americans For Fair Taxation, which is part of fairtax org., is attempting to seduce and co-opt the tea party movement with an organized march on Washington to demand tax reform. But the problem is, they are promoting a calculated and despotic form of tax reform called the fairtax which was designed by a well funded group of Washington insiders and would, if adopted, tighten the iron fist of Washington’s progressives around the necks of America’s businesses and working people.

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The FairTax repeals all INCOME-BASED taxes and replaces them with a national retail sales tax on new products and services used for non-business purposes. It does NOT repeal nor did it ever claim to repeal "excise taxes".

The FairTax repeals all tax code and laws pertaining to federal taxation on income specifically, income tax, employer and employee social security and medicare taxes, interest tax, dividend tax, capital gains tax, gift tax and estate taxes on all businesses and individuals. The FairTax also provides for the repeal of the 16th Amendment within 7 years of passage under a sunset provision. There is already legislation introduced in the Congress to repeal the 16th Amendment as soon as the FairTax legislation passes.

Yes, the FairTax is a retail sales tax on all new products, not used just new, and all services sold for money, not charity given out for free or work you do yourself for yourself or for others for free. Yes, if you own a business and mow lawns or landscape property for money to a consumer, not for another business because that is exempt, then yes, you must collect a FairTax on that service like every other retail service-provider and once a month, file your state sales tax report, show your gross receipts, the taxes you collected, keep a fee for the service you are providing, and send the balance of the FairTaxes you collected, less your fee, to the states who then review and forward the money less the state fee for collecting the FairTaxes in a state report to the feds.

Yes, the FairTax has a Rebate System that exempts all spending for essentials and the necessities of life for US citizens and legal residents, calculated on the size of the household, number of adults and children up to a total of 6, and prebates the amount of FairTax needed to pay the FairTaxes on spending up to the family consumption allowance. This exempts all spending up to the poverty line for everyone who is a US citizen and Legal Resident so no American pays any FairTax until AFTER they've paid their basic bills, like rent, bought their groceries, cough syrup and diapers and paid their utility bills or anything else they feel they need to survive ... up to the poverty line. After that, they pay FairTaxes without offset or reimbursement at their whim or will based on what and when they purchase a new product or service. And this isn't available to just a "majority of America's families", johnwk, it's available to EVERY American Family based on US citizenship or legal residency who chooses to sign up for it. But, there is no "dependency" on a government check involved! It's just the best method to exempt all free will purchases and services up to the poverty line, which shouldn't be taxed.

I know from previous debates with you that you want to have the 50 states in cohoots with the federal government on all federal taxation. Well, no thank you. I want my financial relationship with the US government to be a direct relationship, not mired down in the whim or will of state legislatures who have chosen to collect BOTH income, sales and even property taxes to fund government operations. NO THANK YOU, SIR!

Once we get the FairTax through on the federal level, then we'll be moving to convert ALL 50 states to State FairTaxes as well and eliminate all income and property-based taxes in the United States. In fact, the only tax more evil than an income-based tax IS the property tax. The only fair tax is the sales tax on consumption above the poverty line which is why the FairTax is called the FairTax in the first place.

The people who support the FairTax want renewed liberty for the individual, restored privacy for both individuals and businesses, transparent voluntary taxation for all complete with equal treatment under the law, and no paperwork unless by choice you're a retail collector in which case ye shall be paid for your little 1 line of 1 page of your state sales tax report that shows only your gross receipts of which 23% of those, less your fee for the service which is 1/4 of 1% of your collections, or $200 a month, whichever is greater, not to exceed 25% of your collections, is forwarded to the state and then on to the feds.

The FairTax is the perfect constitutional solution to unconstitutional mandated income taxation.

I would personally like to see excise taxes removed from the scene as well, but that's up to different legislation and doesn't have anything to do with the FairTax that only repeals INCOME-BASED taxation. If you want to repeal excise taxes, have at it. Write a bill and get it introduced into the Congress. I'm sick and tired of paying $10 a carton in federal excise taxes on cigarettes to fund SCHIP. But that's a totally different tax issue and has absolutely nothing to do with eliminating federal income-based taxation in the US and replacing it with a national retail sales tax on the final consumption of new products and services.

Also, the FairTax rate of 23% includes 14.91% ear-marked for general revenue and 8.09% ear-marked for social security and medicare.

And if your "baby-sitter" can't count the money she/he earned including the 23% for the FairTax, deduct 23% from it, deduct his/her collector's fee from that and send it into the state once a month, instead of filing a federal income tax return, then you might want to reconsider who is looking after your children.

Pass the FairTax, Stop the Tyranny, Save America!

www.fairtax.org

I sure hope the Tea Party Movement sees the wisdom of the FairTax and all it means to restoring liberty and prosperity to our beautiful country for our wonderful people while still providing the revenue needed to support our government, but in a manner controlled by "we the people".

Originally Posted by Judy

The FairTax repeals all INCOME-BASED taxes and replaces them with a national retail sales tax ...

That is not true Judy. There is nothing inTHE TEXT OF THE LEGISLATION withdrawing, or proposing to withdraw, the power of Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits and/or gains, as were imposed under the Corporate Excise Tax Act of 1909.

You really need to stop posting inaccurate information.


JWK

Unspinning the FairTax

May 31, 2007
We look at the numbers behind the numbers.

Summary

In our recent article on the second GOP debate, we called out Gov. Mike Huckabee as well as Reps. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter for their support of the FairTax. We wrote that the bipartisan Advisory Panel on Tax Reform had “calculated that a sales tax would have to be set at 34 percent of retail sales prices to bring in the same revenue as the taxes it would replace, meaning that an automobile with a retail price of $10,000 would cost $13,400 including the new sales tax.â€

Originally Posted by Judy

I would personally like to see excise taxes removed from the scene as well, but that's up to different legislation...

Judy,

What constituional taxing power do you believe the alleged fairtax would be enacted under?


JWK

[quote="Shadow"]Unspinning the FairTax

May 31, 2007
We look at the numbers behind the numbers.

Summary

In our recent article on the second GOP debate, we called out Gov. Mike Huckabee as well as Reps. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter for their support of the FairTax. We wrote that the bipartisan Advisory Panel on Tax Reform had “calculated that a sales tax would have to be set at 34 percent of retail sales prices to bring in the same revenue as the taxes it would replace, meaning that an automobile with a retail price of $10,000 would cost $13,400 including the new sales tax.â€

Originally Posted by johnwk

Originally Posted by Judy

I would personally like to see excise taxes removed from the scene as well, but that's up to different legislation...

Judy,

What constituional taxing power do you believe the alleged fairtax would be enacted under?


JWK

Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 1 of the US Constitution, JWK.

Article I Section 8 Paragraph 1:

“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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The FairTax is a uniform indirect tax on consumption, new products and services sold for money to consumers at the final point of sale, the same type of indirect tax authorized by the US Constitution for duties, imposts and excises. The FairTax is also uniform throughout the United States. It is also uniform for every product and service sold throughout the United States. It is also uniform for every person or entity who sells the final products and services throughout the United States who are required to collect the tax. It is also uniform for every citizen and legal resident who is required to pay the FairTax on new goods and services they choose to purchase throughout the United States. It is also uniform for every non-resident who is required to pay the FairTax on goods and services they choose to purchase while in our country.

The FairTax is the single best wisest most perfect tax proposal that's ever been presented to the American People. If once Americans take the time to wade through the anti-FairTax lobby misinformation and instead study this simple legislation, they will see what is means to our country and our people, to restoring their liberty and promoting their prosperity, while funding a government that for the first time since our country was founded, "we the people" actually control, because for the first time in American History, "we the people" actually control the purse strings of the US government. Soon thereafter, we will control the purse strings of every one of our 50 States as well, when we demand they and all levels of government conform to State and Local FairTaxes to fund their operations.

For the first time in American History, under the FairTax, no American will EVER lose their home, their property, their job, their business, their reputation, their privacy or their freedom because of government-imposed mandated taxation enforced by the power of a police state.

www.fairtax.org

There is No Such Thing as a Fair Tax


http://www.fairtaxanswers.org/vance.html

more good reading on why not to agree with the so called fair tax.. what has your government done for you today or in the past other than figure out a way to make you pay more taxes?

Originally Posted by Shadow

There is No Such Thing as a Fair Tax


http://www.fairtaxanswers.org/vance.html

more good reading on why not to agree with the so called fair tax.. what has your government done for you today or in the past other than figure out a way to make you pay more taxes?

So what are you suggesting "Shadow"? No federal taxes at all? No US or State government at all?!! Or are you using an anti-FairTax lobby argument to keep the existing income-based tax system that's bankrupted our nation?

You're quoting a Jr. College visiting professor out of Pensacola, Florida, who is actually an accountant who benefits personally from the existing income-based tax system.

I don't know, are you imposing that we all must pay more taxes because our government wants more?

the fairtax isn't fair if it imposes more taxes on people, why do you think their pushing such a thing?

Your not the only one with an opinion. Why are you bashing everyone that's against it?