Thread: Tea Party Activists beware: fairtax con artists are back!

[quote="johnwk"]Judy, Judy, Judy,

You are not telling the whole truth. The family consumption allowance is an entitlement. Those who are already on the public dole would be entitled to the monthly entitlement check. Those who are eligible for the monthly entitlement check do not have to be productive citizens with a job and paying taxes to receive the monthly entitlement check, and, therefore, the alleged fair tax would create America’s largest entitlement program and would cost at least $600 billion per year!

What I support, unlike your progressive, big government taxing idea, is a return to our Constitution’s original tax plan which created the economic environment and political circumstances for America to become the economic marvel of the world! And, we could return to our Constitution’s original tax plan by adding 32 words to our Constitution which would encourage Congress to practice sound economic policies, extinguish deficits in a timely manner, and make Congress immediately accountable for reckless spending and borrowing with its apportioned tax to extinguish deficits in a timely manner. It only takes 32 words to accomplish all this, without another entitlement program, and without the 134 pages of legal nonsense as contained in your H.R. 25, the alleged fair tax. The 32 words are:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money

For an outline of our Constitution’s original tax plan CLICK HERE


JWK


[b][i]“…a national revenue must be obtained; but the system must be such a one, that, while it secures the object of revenue it shall not be oppressive to our constituents.â€

Judy my dear, why do you make things up and now attack the founding father’s original tax plan?

In addition, why do you continue flooding the thread with endless propaganda from fairtax org? That is no way to have a discussion unless you are trolling and trying to disrupt a thread.

As to your post, Judy, the truth is, the tax imposed under the alleged fair tax is a tax upon “property“, including the property which working people have in their labor.


`SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX.
`(a) In General- There is hereby imposed a tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services.


BARTER TRANSACTIONS- If gross payment for taxable property or services is made in other than money, then the person responsible for collecting and remitting the tax shall remit the tax to the sales tax administering authority in money as if gross payment had been made in money at the tax inclusive fair market value of the taxable property or services purchased.

Truth is, Judy dear, there is no freedom “At Lastâ€

[quote="johnwk"]Judy my dear, why do you make things up and now attack the founding father’s original tax plan?

In addition, why do you continue flooding the thread with endless propaganda from fairtax org? That is no way to have a discussion unless you are trolling and trying to disrupt a thread.

As to your post, Judy, the truth is, the tax imposed under the alleged fair tax is a tax upon “property“, including the property which working people have in their labor.


`SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX.
`(a) In General- There is hereby imposed a tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services.


BARTER TRANSACTIONS- If gross payment for taxable property or services is made in other than money, then the person responsible for collecting and remitting the tax shall remit the tax to the sales tax administering authority in money as if gross payment had been made in money at the tax inclusive fair market value of the taxable property or services purchased.

Truth is, Judy dear, there is no freedom “At Lastâ€

[quote="Judy"][quote="johnwk"]Judy my dear, why do you make things up and now attack the founding father’s original tax plan?

In addition, why do you continue flooding the thread with endless propaganda from fairtax org? That is no way to have a discussion unless you are trolling and trying to disrupt a thread.

As to your post, Judy, the truth is, the tax imposed under the alleged fair tax is a tax upon “property“, including the property which working people have in their labor.


`SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX.
`(a) In General- There is hereby imposed a tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services.


BARTER TRANSACTIONS- If gross payment for taxable property or services is made in other than money, then the person responsible for collecting and remitting the tax shall remit the tax to the sales tax administering authority in money as if gross payment had been made in money at the tax inclusive fair market value of the taxable property or services purchased.

Truth is, Judy dear, there is no freedom “At Lastâ€

[quote="johnwk"][quote="Judy"][quote="johnwk"]Judy my dear, why do you make things up and now attack the founding father’s original tax plan?

In addition, why do you continue flooding the thread with endless propaganda from fairtax org? That is no way to have a discussion unless you are trolling and trying to disrupt a thread.

As to your post, Judy, the truth is, the tax imposed under the alleged fair tax is a tax upon “property“, including the property which working people have in their labor.


`SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX.
`(a) In General- There is hereby imposed a tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services.


BARTER TRANSACTIONS- If gross payment for taxable property or services is made in other than money, then the person responsible for collecting and remitting the tax shall remit the tax to the sales tax administering authority in money as if gross payment had been made in money at the tax inclusive fair market value of the taxable property or services purchased.

Truth is, Judy dear, there is no freedom “At Lastâ€

[quote="Judy"][quote="johnwk"][quote="Judy"][quote="johnwk"]Judy my dear, why do you make things up and now attack the founding father’s original tax plan?

In addition, why do you continue flooding the thread with endless propaganda from fairtax org? That is no way to have a discussion unless you are trolling and trying to disrupt a thread.

As to your post, Judy, the truth is, the tax imposed under the alleged fair tax is a tax upon “property“, including the property which working people have in their labor.


`SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX.
`(a) In General- There is hereby imposed a tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services.


BARTER TRANSACTIONS- If gross payment for taxable property or services is made in other than money, then the person responsible for collecting and remitting the tax shall remit the tax to the sales tax administering authority in money as if gross payment had been made in money at the tax inclusive fair market value of the taxable property or services purchased.

Truth is, Judy dear, there is no freedom “At Lastâ€

[quote="johnwk"][quote="Judy"][quote="johnwk"][quote="Judy"][quote="johnwk"]Judy my dear, why do you make things up and now attack the founding father’s original tax plan?

In addition, why do you continue flooding the thread with endless propaganda from fairtax org? That is no way to have a discussion unless you are trolling and trying to disrupt a thread.

As to your post, Judy, the truth is, the tax imposed under the alleged fair tax is a tax upon “property“, including the property which working people have in their labor.


`SEC. 101. IMPOSITION OF SALES TAX.
`(a) In General- There is hereby imposed a tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services.


BARTER TRANSACTIONS- If gross payment for taxable property or services is made in other than money, then the person responsible for collecting and remitting the tax shall remit the tax to the sales tax administering authority in money as if gross payment had been made in money at the tax inclusive fair market value of the taxable property or services purchased.

Truth is, Judy dear, there is no freedom “At Lastâ€

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, I would certainly hope they know that I support the FairTax. But the FairTax only reaches to the sale transaction when you pay the FairTax before you own it at the time of purchase. Thereafter, when it becomes your property ......

Tell us Judy, who originally owns the taxable property? Does the government own the property in question?


JWK

Originally Posted by johnwk

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, I would certainly hope they know that I support the FairTax. But the FairTax only reaches to the sale transaction when you pay the FairTax before you own it at the time of purchase. Thereafter, when it becomes your property ......

Tell us Judy, who originally owns the taxable property? Does the government own the property in question?


JWK

Well that will depend. If the seller of the new product is a private business, then no, the seller owns it, tax-free. If the seller is the government, then yes, the government will own it, also tax-free. If the US government sells 30 F-16s to Pakistan, then the US government charges Pakistan a 23% FairTax. If the government sells parts to a Pakistani manufacturer of the F-16s, then there is no FairTax charge. If the government sells stamps and services and boxes and envelopes and pass port photos and etc., etc., etc. at the post office to consumers, then it charges FairTax. If however a business buys stamps or mail services, then that is a business to business transaction and there is no FairTax charge on those purchases.

www.fairtax.org

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by johnwk

Tell us Judy, who originally owns the taxable property? Does the government own the property in question?


JWK

Well that will depend.

Judy my dear,

The local handyman who sells the property he has in his labor owns that property. Not the government. The local cabinet maker who builds a new kitchen cabinet owns that property. Not the government. Our founding fathers specifically declared in our Constitution that direct taxes are required to be apportioned! Taxes which reached the people’s property, whether real or personal, were considered by our founding fathers as being direct taxes, while a tax on the manufacture or use of a particular piece of property was considered to be indirect and required uniformity among the states if laid by Congress. See the Hylton Case cited in the Pollock decision.

The alleged fair tax, as the progressive “income taxationâ€