Thread: FairTax and Trade

Originally Posted by johnwk

Judy,

What you say above is not true. You are misrepresenting the alleged "fairtax".
Under the alleged "fairtax", a 23 percent tax is added to the cost of food, clothing, medical needs, etc., and everyone who purchases these products when they go to the store pay the tax, and that includes poor working people. To alleviate the devastating increase in the cost of the necessities of life for poor working people, which the alleged fairtax adds to these products, qualified families are entitled to a monthly government check which can be used to pay the outrageous 23 percent tax on a rationed supply of necessities. This of course not only creates a new entitlement, but also makes poor working folks dependent upon government for a monthly check which can be used to pay the outrageous 23 percent tax on a rationed supply of necessities.
Under our Constitution's original tax plan, the necessities of life were not intended to be taxed, nor was there any monthly government check sent to the poor to be used to purchase the necessities of life.
Tell us, Judy, under the alleged fairtax and its family consumption entitlement, how many more “poor working people” would have a vested interest in voting for progressives, socialists and communists during election time who would promise to work to increase the family consumption entitlement? Is this not how Fifth Column members of Congress stay in power in our nation’s poorest voting districts ____ by offering their constituency free government cheese?
Tell us Judy, why are you so eager to create another entitlement, which would help our Fifth Column members in Congress to remain in power by promising our nation’s poor during each election time to alter the fairtax and enlarge the family consumption entitlement?
JWK

There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country.

Originally Posted by Judy

Yes, people with the Rebate have the money in hand to pay the FairTax which means they pay no FairTax on their purchases up to the amount of the exemption which is the same for everyone who signs up for it. Sorry Johnwk, but I have no problem at all with this feature of the FairTax. None whatsoever.

If you had no problem then you would have answered my above questions concerning the consequences of creating a massive voting block dependent upon a monthly government check, which allows them to purchase a rationed supply of tax free necessities.

JWK



A nation of people made dependent upon government for their subsistence, is a nation doomed to being enslaved by the iron fist which feeds them.

Originally Posted by Judy

There are very few "embedded" federal taxes outside of federal income tax. Some tariffs, imposts and duties, and a few excise taxes, all very small potatoes in the scheme of federal revenues.

The last time I checked, there are over one hundred embedded federal taxes on a loaf of bread. And the same applies to almost all consumer products. Why are you making stuff up, Judy?


JWK

Why don't you post that link you checked, John? I'm sure people will be fascinated by the over 100 federal taxes they didn't know about.

Originally Posted by Judy

Why don't you post that link you checked, John? I'm sure people will be fascinated by the over 100 federal taxes they didn't know about.

See Reagan-a life in letters

Originally Posted by johnwk

See Reagan-a life in letters

You're kidding right?

So, you don't have a list of the over 100 federal taxes that you claim are in the price of a loaf of bread.

Are you familiar with the term "compounding"?

Originally Posted by Judy

Income tax returns aren't used to verify income for welfare, not even food stamps. Tax returns are a year old by the time they're filed and only apply to the previous year, not the present when you apply for welfare. Maybe you're confusing mortgage applications that usually ask for income tax returns, but they don't ask for those to verify income, they ask for them to verify tax compliance so the IRS won't steal the house after they put a mortgage on it for unpaid taxes.

Well not having been on them, your right , I don't know. But those programs are based on documented income. So you are saying they are strictly on their honor, which is why there is so much fraud. With what you say, I could be pulling down $100k per year, but if I show them a bank account with $100 per month income, I'm in!

Originally Posted by Judy

There are very few "embedded" federal taxes outside of federal income tax. Some tariffs, imposts and duties, and a few excise taxes, all very small potatoes in the scheme of federal revenues.

While I don't know about John's 100 taxes, I do know there are a few, not so insignificant taxes. Of course part of the costs of employees are the taxes. The employer pays an FICA tax on every employee, in addition to their own personal taxes. All the business taxes, whether state, local, or federal are embedded in the cost of the item. There are transportation taxes when the item is shipped, warehouse taxes, and of course the taxes a retailer has to pay. All these are embedded in the price. Then a sales tax, if any is added, based on that price which is a good part taxes.

Originally Posted by Judy

We're not talking about state, municipal or county taxes.

Of course that's your argument. But all of those embedded taxes add to the price upone which your FairTax will be based on.

Originally Posted by Judy

The federal government has no finger in those pies,

That what you claim!

Originally Posted by Judy

Americans know the difference between federal income tax, gas tax and state and local taxes.

Some do, but from what I see, the majority only see the sales tax which is listed on their receipt.

Originally Posted by Judy

In FACT, under the FairTax, it will all be on the same receipt when they make a purchase, federal, state and local sales tax, all broken down for them every time they buy something.

Wow! That will be as bad as my utility bill where half the items listed are various taxes added.

Originally Posted by Judy

I can see you're in love with your evil federal income tax.

You apparent haven't been reading what I write. I have no problem with the sales tax portion. It's the Rebate that I see as a major problem.

No, I don't like the system we have now. But it's not so much the taxing income, it's the pages and pages of special rates, special exemptions and so many complications that make the rules something that even IRS can't interpret. If we had a straight percentage on all income, that would be better, and just about equivalent to the flat sales tax portion of the so-called FairTax. But neither of those methods make any allowance for the poor. And that is the concern of the poor voters.

Originally Posted by Judy

You've lived blind-folded on that DemoQuack biotch for so long you're hooked on it harder than a Heroin Addict on Oxy. That's makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Now you are just being insulting!

Originally Posted by Judy

Originally Posted by johnwk

See Reagan-a life in letters

You're kidding right?

So, you don't have a list of the over 100 federal taxes that you claim are in the price of a loaf of bread.

So now you are even willing to throw Ronald Reagan under the bus in order to promote the socialist friendly, global government's alleged fairtax?


JWK



There is no better way to weaken, destroy and subjugate a prosperous and freedom loving country than by importing the world’s poverty stricken populations into that country.

Originally Posted by johnwk

Tell us, Judy, under the alleged fairtax and its family consumption entitlement, how many more “poor working people” would have a vested interest in voting for progressives, socialists and communists during election time who would promise to work to increase the family consumption entitlement?

John's major concern is buying votes!

Originally Posted by Judy

MW, you offend a lot of Republicans with your rude attacks on me and the FairTax. Personally, I don't think that's wise.

Welcome to the club, MW. She told me that I offend a lot of people here as well.

Ummmm, Ronald Reagan wasn't talking about 100 different federal taxes. He was talking about every tax in the country, paid by each and every grower, worker, supplier, vendor, manufacturer and seller in the supply chain of producing and selling a loaf of bread.

That's why I asked you the question if you knew what the word "compounding" means. The very problem that Reagan was highlighting is the compounding problem of mandated income taxes which the FairTax eliminates on the federal level.