Thread: Someone is Lying About the Pope’s Meeting with Kim Davis

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Someone is Lying About the Pope’s Meeting with Kim Davis

by Austin Ruse2 Oct 2015

Papal spokesman Father Thomas Rosica flatly denies Kim Davis met privately with Pope Francis when he visited Washington, D.C. which stands in flat contradiction to Davis’s claims.

In Roscia’s telling Davis was part of a large number of people as part of “the farewell greeting as the Pope was leaving the Nunciature in Washington” prior to his departure for New York City.

Rosica said the Vatican ambassador to the United States, “…invited a number of guests, his own choice, to greet the Pope, very brief greetings, and in the Pope’s characteristic kindness and hospitality he shook people’s hands and gave them Rosaries. In terms of why this person was invited, you’d have to ask the Nuncio.”

This stands diametrically opposed to the claims of Kim Davis that she met privately with the Pope and that no one else, besides a handful of Vatican personnel, was present. As proof of her version of events, Davis’s lawyer Mathew Staver points to the fact that the Vatican sent a security detail to pick her up at her hotel and deliver her to the Vatican Embassy.

Anyone remotely familiar with what Rosica describes as no more than a Papal meet and greet knows the Vatican does not send a car and driver, let alone a security detail.

Staver was with Davis when Vatican security picked them up. He said the detail were not Americans, that “they spoke Italian and when they spoke English it was heavily accented.”

Staver also told Breitbart News that he did not see a large group of people at the Nunciature that day, though the building is large and the larger group could have been somewhere else.

With such a stark contrast between Father Rosica’s telling and Kim Davis’s, it is clear someone is lying about her meeting with the Pope.

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So now the challenge is determining who lied:

a. Pope
b. Liberty Lawyer, Mathew Staver
c. Kim and Joe Davis

Suggestion: Follow-the money.

Advice to Huckabee and Cruz ..... run, run fast, don't look back, run as hard as you can until you're as far away from Kim Davis as you can get. You have both tarnished your campaigns by associating with a nut job. It doesn't matter what your personal views on marriage are, what matters is when you make the untenable decision while in races to become President of the United States to support defiance of a US Supreme Court Ruling that does nothing except protect the right of gay couples to seek and receive equal protection under the law.

God Above Government is the law of the land in .... Iraq and Afghanistan, where the highest law of the land is the Koran under their Constitutions, not the United States. The First Amendment guarantees you the freedom to worship and practice your religion as you see fit, whatever it may be. It does not guarantee you the right to use that freedom to harm or discriminate against others or exploit our government to invoke your beliefs on others.

Originally Posted by Judy

So now the challenge is determining who lied:

a. Pope
b. Liberty Lawyer, Mathew Staver
c. Kim and Joe Davis

Suggestion: Follow-the money.

Advice to Huckabee and Cruz ..... run, run fast, don't look back, run as hard as you can until you're as far away from Kim Davis as you can get. You have both tarnished your campaigns by associating with a nut job. It doesn't matter what your personal views on marriage are, what matters is when you make the untenable decision while in races to become President of the United States to support defiance of a US Supreme Court Ruling that does nothing except protect the right of gay couples to seek and receive equal protection under the law.

God Above Government is the law of the land in .... Iraq and Afghanistan, where the highest law of the land is the Koran under their Constitutions, not the United States. The First Amendment guarantees you the freedom to worship and practice your religion as you see fit, whatever it may be. It does not guarantee you the right to use that freedom to harm or discriminate against others or exploit our government to invoke your beliefs on others.

To my knowledge the Pope himself hasn't said anything. Spokespersons tend to cover for their bosses all the time. I think it is very possible that the Pope's spokesperson is just covering to keep the Pope out of this so-called hot-button issue. Actually, I think it is very feasible that the Pope was limited by the Obama administration on what he could say and do while he was here. Yep, I'm saying it ....... I think one of the conditions of the Pope's visit was to not stir up any controversy that would prove contrary to the Obama administration's agenda.

Originally Posted by MW

To my knowledge the Pope himself hasn't said anything. Spokespersons tend to cover for their bosses all the time. I think it is very possible that the Pope's spokesperson is just covering to keep the Pope out of this so-called hot-button issue. Actually, I think it is very feasible that the Pope was limited by the Obama administration on what he could say and do while he was here. Yep, I'm saying it ....... I think one of the conditions of the Pope's visit was to not stir up any controversy that would prove contrary to the Obama administration's agenda.

Why would the Pope meet with Kim Davis? I can see her lawyer arranging through the Vatican Ambassador for her to be in a meet and greet line but I can't see him meeting with Kim Davis. He doesn't even agree with her position.

http://time.com/3975630/pope-francis-lgbt-issues/

The Pope Francis Statement That Changed the Church on LGBT Issues

Christopher J. Hale @chrisjollyhale

July 28, 2015
Pope Francis greets the attendees of a conference as part of the II Meeting of People's Movements in Santa Cruz, Bolivia, on on July 9, 2015.
Amanecer Tedesqui/CON—Getty Images Pope Francis greets the attendees of a conference as part of the II Meeting of People's Movements in Santa Cruz, Bolivia, on on July 9, 2015.

Christopher Hale is executive director at Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good and the co-founder of Millennial.
Over the last two years, the Catholic Church has become more open to welcoming the LGBT community

“If someone is gay and searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” Two years ago Tuesday, Pope Francis uttered these words, sending shockwaves throughout the Catholic Church and the world. His position stood in contrast to that of his predecessors: Months earlier, Pope Benedict XVI suggested that gay marriage was a threat to global peace.

Under the leadership of Pope Francis, the Catholic Church is evolving on LGBT issues. As theologian David Cloutier has noted, the process isn’t political—it’s spiritual. The church is beginning to discern more deeply the full measure of God’s presence in LGBT individuals and, yes, couples, too. There have been five notable moments in this evolution.

1. Pope Francis said that God doesn’t condemn LGBT individuals — Sept. 30, 2013

In an interview with America Magazine, Pope Francis revealed his pastoral approach toward the LGBT community:

A person once asked me, in a provocative manner, if I approved of homosexuality. I replied with another question: ‘Tell me: when God looks at a gay person, does he endorse the existence of this person with love, or reject and condemn this person?’ We must always consider the person. Here we enter into the mystery of the human being.

2. Pope Francis suggested the church could be open to civil unions — March 5, 2014

Francis said in an interview that the church could be open to same-sex civil unions, a view he had first voiced as archbishop of Buenos Aires. The pope reiterated the church’s teaching that a “marriage is between a man and a woman” but argued that on civil unions, “we have to look at different cases and evaluate them in their variety.”

3. The Francis effect goes global — Summer of 2014

The summer of 2014 was a remarkable period during which a number of high-ranking Catholic prelates signaled that Pope Francis’s more open posture had permeated throughout the Catholic world. In May, a top-ranking Italian bishop said that the church should listen to same-sex marriage arguments. A few weeks later, Brazilian Cardinal Cláudio Hummes, said he “didn’t know” whether Jesus would oppose gay marriage. In early September, New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan approved the St. Patrick Day Parade Committee’s decision to allow a gay group to march in the 2015 parade under their own banner. (Twenty-one years earlier, one of Dolan’s predecessors, Cardinal John O’Connor, said that to allow a gay group to march would be a slander to the Apostles’ Creed.)

4. The Synod on the Family’s interim report affirmed the “gifts and qualities” of LGBT individuals — October 2014

The bishops gathered for Pope Francis’s Synod on the Family in October 2014 issued a report suggesting that the church should create a more inclusive space for LGBT Catholics. In the document, they said that the LGBT community has “gifts and qualities to offer to the Christian community,” and they asked, “Are we capable of welcoming these people, guaranteeing to them a fraternal space in our communities?” Though this language was rejected in the final draft, it sparked a conversation that the church could formally change its stance toward the LGBT community when the bishops meet again this October.

5. The pope began a series of meetings and dialogues with LGBT individuals and activists — 2015

Throughout the first months of 2015, Pope Francis had several encounters with LGBT individuals and groups, including a transgender man from Spain who was excluded from his parish community, and gay and transgender prisoners in Naples. The Vatican also gave the VIP treatment to a pro-LGBT American Catholic group visiting Rome and the pope met with a gay Paraguayan activist during his recent trip to South America.

Collectively these events signal a church that is more open to welcoming the LGBT community and the diverse realities of the modern family than it was two years ago. After the Supreme Court’s ruling in support of same-sex marriage last month, Blase Cupich, Pope Francis’s handpicked archbishop of Chicago, said the church’s respect for LGBT individuals “must be real, not rhetorical, and ever reflective of the Church’s commitment to accompanying all people.” Such language would have been rare two years ago. Today it’s expected. Thank God.

http://time.com/3975630/pope-francis-lgbt-issues/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2...isrc=obnetwork

Fox News on Kim Davis’ Lawyer: “Stunningly Obtuse,” “Ridiculously Stupid”

By Mark Joseph Stern
Sept. 8 2015 12:33 PM

VIDEO IN LINK

Anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis has been given plenty of dubious legal advice by her attorneys, the anti-gay fringe group Liberty Counsel. It was no surprise, then, to see Liberty Counsel founder and chairman Mathew Staver claim that “it’s really questionable” whether the Supreme Court has “any constitutional authority” to strike down same-sex marriage bans. What was surprising, however, was that Fox News host Gregg Jarrett actually criticized Staver, calling his statement “stunningly obtuse.” His guest, criminal defense attorney Sharon Liko, chimed in to note that Jarrett hadn’t quite captured the inanity of Staver’s assertion: It was, in fact, “ridiculously stupid.”

What we’re seeing here is the right’s continued realization that Davis is an absolutely atrocious mascot for the cause of religious liberty. Davis herself is an unsympathetic, martyrdom-seeking lawbreaker; her attorneys are questioning the constitutional authority of the very institution they are asking for help. That is not a winning strategy—but then, the Liberty Counsel has always seemed less concerned with winning Davis’ case than with maximizing its own fame and fortune. When even Fox News balks, it’s time to pull back on the SCOTUS-bashing.

Judy wrote:

Why would the Pope meet with Kim Davis? I can see her lawyer arranging through the Vatican Ambassador for her to be in a meet and greet line but I can't see him meeting with Kim Davis. He doesn't even agree with her position.

So are you saying the Pope supports homosexual marriage or are you saying he doesn't support a person standing by their religious convictions? Well, I think the Pope does support her position whether he admits it publicly or not.

CNN Exclusive: Pope held private meeting with same-sex couple in U.S.

By Daniel Burke, CNN Religion Editor
Updated 8:38 AM ET, Sat October 3, 2015

(CNN)The day before Pope Francis met anti-gay county clerk Kim Davis in Washington last week, he held a private meeting with a longtime friend from Argentina who has been in a same-sex relationship for 19 years.

Yayo Grassi, an openly gay man, brought his partner, Iwan Bagus, as well several other friends to the Vatican Embassy on September 23 for a brief visit with the Pope. A video of the meeting shows Grassi and Francis greeting each other with a warm hug.

In an exclusive interview with CNN, Grassi said the visit was arranged personally with the Pope via email in the weeks ahead of Francis' highly anticipated visit to the United States.



"Three weeks before the trip, he called me on the phone and said he would love to give me a hug," Grassi said.

The meeting between the Pope and gay couple adds another intriguing twist to the strange aftermath of Francis' first-ever trip to the United States. Since news broke on Tuesday of Francis' meeting with Davis, conservatives have cheered the seemingly implicit endorsement, while liberals have questioned how much the Pope knew about her case. Davis spent six days in a Kentucky jail last month for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
The two encounters -- one with an openly gay couple and one with a government official who ardently opposes homosexuality -- have left the Vatican scrambling to issue statements that seek to de-politicize the Pope's meetings and agenda.

On Friday afternoon, Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said that Grassi had asked to present his friends to Francis in Washington.

"As noted in the past, the Pope, as pastor, has maintained many personal relationships with people in a spirit of kindness, welcome and dialogue," Lombardi said.

Earlier on Friday, the Vatican said that the meeting with Davis was not intended as a show of support for her cause and "the only real audience granted by the Pope at the nunciature (embassy) was with one of his former students and his family."

"That was me," Grassi said.

Grassi, who is 67, added that he is willing to talk about his private moment with the pontiff because he was upset about media coverage of the Pope's meeting with Davis.

"I want to show the truth of who Pope Francis is," he said.

Pope Francis taught Grassi in literature and psychology classes at Inmaculada Concepcion, a Catholic high school in Sante Fe, Argentina, from 1964-1965. Grassi, who said he is an atheist, moved to the United States in 1978 and runs a catering business in Washington.

Grassi said the Pope has long known that he is gay, but has never condemned his sexuality or his same-sex relationship. In the video, Francis says he recalls meeting Grassi's boyfriend in Rome.

"He has never been judgmental," Grassi said. "He has never said anything negative."

Grassi said that he asked for the meeting in Washington because the friends he brought along have been through difficult times and wanted to receive of a blessing from the pontiff.

At the end the meeting, the Pope hugs both Grassi and Bagus and kisses them on the cheek.

"Obviously he is the pastor of the church and he has to follow the church's teachings," Grassi added. "But as a human being he understands all kinds of situations, and he is open to all kinds of people, including those with different sexual characteristics."

While not changing church teaching, which considers same-sex relationships sinful, Pope Francis has often emphasized mercy over judgment. In 2013, for example, he famously said, "Who am I to judge" gay priests who seek to do God's will. He also reportedly met with a transgender man from Spain in January of this year.

Transgender man: I met with Pope Francis

At the same time, the Vatican has refused to recognize France's ambassador to the Holy See, Laurent Stefanini, who is openly gay. And Francis has show little inclination to adjust church doctrine on sexuality.

"It reminds us, again, that the Pope meets with all sorts of people on his trips and that such meetings are not an 'endorsement' of anything," said the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and editor at large at America magazine.

"In this case, for example, he is not endorsing same-sex marriage.

But if Mr. Grassi's account is accurate, then it makes me happy to know that the Pope keeps in contact with his old friends, both gay and straight. For friendship and welcome are at the heart of the Christian life."

This October, the Vatican will hold a major meeting, called a synod, to discuss how to minister to gays and lesbians, among other issues facing modern Catholics.

While Grassi describes his relationship to the Pope as very close, they haven't always agreed on same-sex rights.

During Argentina's heated debate over same-sex marriage in 2010, Grassi chastised the Pope for opposing gay rights. At one point, the future pontiff suggested that same-sex marriage is the work of the devil.

"You have been my guide, continuously moving my horizons—you have shaped the most progressive aspects of my worldview," Grassi wrote to the future Pope in an email, according to National Geographic magazine. "And to hear this from you is so disappointing."

Grassi told CNN that Francis -- then Cardinal Jorge Margio Bergoglio -- wrote back, saying that he was sorry to have upset his former student and promising that "homophobia" had no place in the Catholic Church.

Grassi said he believes the Pope was "misled" into meeting with Davis, who served six days in a Kentucky jail for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

Davis and her lawyers had portrayed the papal meeting as an endorsement of her cause.

"Just knowing that the pope is on track with what we're doing and agreeing, you know, it kind of validates everything," she told ABC.

But after several days of questions and culture-war sparring, the Vatican said that was not the case.

"The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects," Lombardi said in a statement issued Friday morning.

The question of who, exactly, set up the meeting between Davis and the Pope has been the subject of fervid media speculation this week.
Vatican officials have said that such an encounter could only have taken place with the planning and approval of the Holy See's nuncio -- or envoy -- to the United States, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/

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Originally Posted by MW

Judy wrote:



So are you saying the Pope supports homosexual marriage or are you saying he doesn't support a person standing by their religious convictions? Well, I think the Pope does support her position whether he admits it publicly or not.

I'm saying both. I believe he supports homosexual marriage and as a result of his view, I believe the Catholic Church will change its position. That's why I don't believe the Pope met with Kim Davis and her husband in the manner that she's claimed. The Pope would also not support or respect her failing to abide Constitutional Law in the United States. He would not support her denying a legal right to anyone. That is why I know she and her lawyer have lied.

The Catholic Church is finally moving forward from its prior backwardness. It is finally counting the number of school closings, the number of gay priests, the numbers of dropping attendance, the declining revenues, sees that it is no longer in step with the faith of its people and recognizing the fact that is actually the primary source and cause of great harm throughout the world with many of its man-made doctrines.

When "standing by your religious convictions" means harming, hating or discriminating against someone else, there is absolutely nothing to "stand by" and thus nothing to "support".

Vatican fires senior priest after he comes out as gay

Flanked by his boyfriend, Polish priest Krzysztof Charamsa says he wanted to speak out against church "hypocrisy".

03 Oct 2015 14:18 GMT

Charamsa came out as gay on the eve of a major Vatican meeting to review Catholic teaching on the family [EPA]

The Vatican has fired a senior priest who publicly came out as gay on the eve of a major meeting of church leaders to discuss the Church's stance on social issues such as divorce and homosexuality.

In a statement on Saturday, a spokesman for Pope Francis said Polish priest Krzysztof Charamsa's action had been "very serious and irresponsible", and that he would be automatically kicked out of his post as a theologian in the Vatican.

Charamsa, a theologian, is a mid-level official in the Vatican bureaucracy's dealing with church doctrine.

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Related: Pope approves fast-tracked marriage annulments

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Flanked by his Spanish boyfriend and sporting his priest's collar, Charamsa told a news conference in Rome he had been compelled to speak out against the hypocrisy and paranoia that he says shapes the Church's attitude to sexual minorities.

While appearing resigned to the fact that his life as a priest is over, he said: "I'm out of the closet, and I'm very happy about that."

Visibly moved at times but always smiling, the 43-year-old added in Italian: "I want to be an advocate for all sexual minorities and their families who have suffered in silence."

In an indication that Charamsa had planned the move for some time, he presented a 10-point "liberation manifesto" against "institutionalised homophobia in the Church", which he said particularly oppressed the gay men who, according to him, make up the majority of priests.

He also revealed plans for a book about his 12 years at the heart of a Vatican bureaucracy, only just recovering from a scandal under previous Pope Benedict XVI over the influence of a "gay lobby" among senior clergy.

Atmosphere of homophobia
"I dedicate my coming out to all gay priests," Charamsa said. "I wish them happiness even if I know that most of them will not have the courage to make the gesture I have made today."

"To my Church, I want to say that I reject and I denounce the current atmosphere of exasperating homophobia. Open your eyes to the suffering of gay people, to their desire for love."

Analysis: Should the Vatican police themselves?

Charamsa, 43, timed his announcement for maximum media impact, coming as it did on the eve of a synod that is the second and final round of a review of Catholic teaching on the family.

Although the issue of homosexuality forms only a tiny part of the synod's agenda, it has dominated the run-up to the three-week meeting and become a lightning rod for a broader debate between reformists and conservatives in the Church.

It was the timing of Charamsa's action rather than the substance of what he said that infuriated his superiors.

In its statement, the Vatican said, "The decision to make such a pointed statement on the eve of the opening of the synod appears very serious and irresponsible, since it aims to subject the synod assembly to undue media pressure."

Catholic attitudes to sexuality were already making headlines this weekend after the Vatican confirmed that Francis had hugged an old gay friend and met his partner during his recent visit to the United States.

The highly symbolic gesture, indicative of Francis's personally tolerant attitude towards gays, came a day before he met prominent gay marriage opponent, Kim Davis - another private encounter that the Vatican said did not indicate support for her stance.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...130527272.html

Oh you bring up another great point about Priest celibacy/marriage.

http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/fait...y.php?id=59123

Pope Francis wants to change two major Catholic laws he sees as 'archaic'


By Abigail James (NEWS CONSORTIUM)

3/12/2015 (6 months ago)

Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)

The Pope's longtime 'best friend' claims the pontiff has plans of accepting married priests and divorcees.

In a private conversation with his longtime friend from Buenos Aires, Oscar Crespo, Pope Francis reportedly revealed his plans to change important "archaic" parts of the Catholic rules. Crespo claims the Pope intends to overturn the "centuries-old ban" on Catholic priests from getting married and to lift the banishment of divorcees from the Catholic church.
Pope Francis may have plans to do away with required priest celibacy.

Pope Francis may have plans to do away with required priest celibacy.
Highlights

By Abigail James (NEWS CONSORTIUM)

Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)

3/12/2015 (6 months ago)

Published in Living Faith

Keywords: Pope Francis, Catholic law, priest, celibacy, divorce, divorcee, married, adultery

LOS ANGELES, CA (Catholic Online) - As it stands now, Catholic priests take a vow of celibacy and cannot be married. The Catholic church simply does not accept divorce, and anyone divorced, who then remarries or starts a sexual relationship with a new person, is committing adultery under Catholic law.

"He said, these were his priorities as Pope. The first of all is to change the rules for divorced couples," claims Crespo on his conversation with Francis. "The second was to eliminate the law of celibacy. He said it was not part of the doctrine of the church. It was started more than 1,000 years ago by a pope, and he considers it archaic, an antiquity which needs to be reconsidered."

"He thinks God made everyone to live in family, including priests."

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Pope Francis and Oscar Crespo when the Pope was an archbishop

Crespo claims Pope Francis told him six years ago (pictured meeting here), when the Pope, real name Jorge Bergoglio, was archbishop of Buenos Aires, that the ban on priests getting married was not "doctrine."

According to devout Catholic and divorcee, Claudia Garcia Larumbe, she was divorced at the age of 31 and no longer allowed to participate in her Catholic church activities, such as Communion and confession, because she was now considered to be living in adultery.

Larumbe heard Crespo was going to visit the Pope and asked him to send a message to Francis. "I said I wanted to be part of the church, I wanted to be able to confess, but I wasn't able to because I had divorced. I just wanted some advice, but I never expected to get an answer back," expressed Larumbe to Daily Mail. "But when Oscar got back he called me and said he had spoken personally with the Pope and that he had given me permission himself. I was speechless and so emotional, I couldn't believe I'd got a message directly from the Pope."

Pope Francis has spoken out against a number of issues; this is not the first time information on the Pope's feelings toward Priest marriage and divorce have been recorded.

In May he is reported as saying celibacy is "a gift for the church, but since it is not a dogma, the door is always open," and that the issue of married priests is in his "diary."

Pope Francis and Oscar Crespo in High School

Pope Francis (second from the right in back row) and Oscar Crespo (third from left in front row) were secondary school classmates.

Crespo is considered the Pope's best friend and former secondary school classmate; the two men correspond often and Crespo made a special visit to Rome to see his friend in October.

Crespo claims the pontiff was "serious and passionate" as they discussed his "two main plans"

However Crespo points out Francis "does not intend to force through radical reforms at the expense of church unity." "Changes are made either with time or with blood, and I choose peace," Francis is quoted as saying, according to Crespo.

Pope Francis and longtime friend Oscar Crespo

Longtime friend, Oscar Crespo visited the Pope at the Vatican in October.

Although Pope Francis has previously expressed his sentiment on the mentioned topics, the conversations and details provided by his friend, Crespo were from a private conversation that should not be taken as any part of his teachings.

"The Synod on the Family is in course so the issue [of the divorced in new relationships] is being addressed. The Pope has already said what he has to say on the divorced - remarried at the Synod last October and the issue will be discussed again at this year's Synod," explained Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi. "We don't know what the Pope may have said as part of a private conversation. We only know what he says in public. Since such conversations do not form part of the Pope's public activities, no comments from the press office should be expected.

Such conversations should be seen in the context of personal pastoral relationships."

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The Pope has already initiated an initiative to let divorced Catholics back into the church who had been excommunicated. He'll be moving forward at some point with the correcting the truly unnatural requirement that Priests be celibate and never marry and with that will come gay marriage and probably some other important things as well, including changing the Church's objections to birth control.

The Church is undergoing a Renaissance under Pope Francis and this is a great thing for the Catholic Church and all the countries where the Catholic Church exerts so much political influence with very bad outcomes.