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    Stop letting crazy people walk loose.

    Lock all of them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDoe2 View Post
    Stop letting crazy people walk loose.

    Lock all of them up.
    How about just locking the doors to the school during class time, something you actually have the authority to do. Stop making your own stupidity someone else's problem.
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    Then we have to lock up all of the drug addicts and alcoholics too

    because they always forget to shut the door and lock it.
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    Oh geez, you don't even know what type of door I'm talking about. No, these doors close and lock automatically. No one has to do anything except order and install the proper doors.

    Although we might need to lock up all the stupid people and idiots who haven't figured out how to use locked doors to secure their school facility yet. That might be a good start.
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    But we still need to lock up all of the drug addicts and alcoholics, for their own good.
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    We can't do that, there wouldn't be anyone left, but the crazy people.
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    Wrong.

    Many of us aren't drug users or alcoholics either.
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    I know, but "many" ain't enough because you've got all the stupid people, idiots and crazy people mixed in there. I'm not into you or anyone else thinking you're somehow more entitled to your freedoms than someone else for this reason or that reason. I'm into you're okay, I'm okay, everyone's free, go live it. You screw up and hurt someone, you'll pay for it. Doesn't matter to me if you were drunk, on drugs, crazy, reckless, stone-cold sober or just a cold-blooded killer. Our laws are structured to address all the different levels of motive and circumstance.

    If you really want to stop people from waltzing into public schools and shooting up the place, then lock the damn doors. Otherwise, just shut up and deal with the aftermath. This was a very preventable crime by simply locking the doors. He was even spotted walking to the building carrying the bag and calls were made. If the doors had been locked, he would have never gotten in and no one would have died.

    His mother had called police to meet with him 39 times between 2011 and 2016.

    The FBI had his name and YouTube threat months ago.

    Students knew.

    School administrators knew.

    Nothing worked.

    Human error and failure all the way down the line.

    Locked steel doors work when humans fail. It's why all the smart people have them to secure their facilities. It's time to pass a law that requires any public school that receives federal funding to have these doors and use them appropriately to secure their facilities during class-time.
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    Russian bots promote pro-gun messages after Florida school shooting

    By Gianluca Mezzofiore, CNN
    Updated 1:51 PM ET, Fri February 16, 2018

    (CNN) Russia-linked bots are promoting pro-gun messages on Twitter in an attempt to sow discord in the aftermath of the Florida school shooting, monitoring groups say.

    Hashtags, topics, and URLs related to the shooting overwhelmingly feature in the tweets pushed by these automated Twitter accounts in the past 48 hours, according to Hamilton 68, a tool launched by the Alliance for Securing Democracy to track what it describes as "Russian propaganda and disinformation efforts online."

    The Alliance is a group housed at The German Marshall Fund of the United States (GMF) think tank to "defend against, deter, and raise the costs on Russian and other actors' efforts to undermine democracy and democratic institutions," according to their mission statement.


    The group does not disclose which accounts it tracks and CNN has not independently verified its findings.


    Among the hashtags and topics related to the shooting are #falseflag, #fbi, #gunreformnow, #fbigate, #parklandschoolshooting, the name of the shooter -- Nikolas Cruz -- and Florida.


    Another bot-tracking website, Botcheck.me, reports that all but one of the top two-word phrases used in the past 24 hours by 1,500 political propaganda bots were connected to the shooting: "gun control," "Nikolas Cruz," "school shooting," "school shooter" and "fake news." The exception was "President Trump."

    Related: Hundreds of new Twitter accounts push #ReleaseTheMemo

    Hashtags calling for gun reform and gun control are also topping the list. Unlike Hamilton 68, which targets bots related to the Russian government, Botcheck.me tracks accounts that generally spread political propaganda.

    Cybersecurity and media experts are not surprised that trolls and bots are leveraging the Florida school shooting to cause divisions.


    "This pattern of divisive propaganda is becoming a staple in information warfare fueled by social media, but it isn't exactly new," Marco T. Bastos, researcher at City, University of London and co-author of a paper on a network of pro-Brexit bots, told CNN. "Similar campaigns can be traced to at least 2014."


    In 2014-15, a large number of accounts controlled by Russian quasi-state units were mostly focusing on reinforcing domestic opinions, according to Christo Grozev, senior researcher at New Bulgarian University's Risk Management Lab and an author at investigations website Bellingcat.


    Grozev has been tracking approximately 400 Twitter "troll" accounts that were disclosed as part of a Russian leak in 2014.


    The "identities" of the accounts have changed over time. Currently they contain a mix of French and Spanish/Catalan identities, suggesting they had been repurposed as needed, Grozev said.


    The reason why these accounts seize on shootings like the Parkland school one is not ideological, but to amplify "extreme and divisive causes" in a bid to create "a distracted and weakened US government," Grozev said.


    "Gun control is simply one of those causes," he said. "It is not in any way an ideological preference for Russia to have less gun control in the US. It is, however, the perfect divisive cause."


    If the intent is not ideological but to sow discord in American society, that could help explain why Russian-related bots are spreading hashtags calling for gun control laws and reforms.


    "Such hashtags serve mostly as bait: they serve to attract 'opposing view' readers, which results in explosive and discordant online mutual shouting -- in place of any reasonable debate, which would not be in the interest of Russia," Grozev said.

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    Seizing guns before someone can commit violence: Texas’ modification

    "In the Lone Star State, a person can’t posses a gun if they’ve been diagnosed as suffering from a psychiatric disorder, entered a plea of not guilty by insanity, require continuous medical treatment, or have been diagnosed within the last 5 years with being dependent to alcohol or a controlled substance."


    "Lawmakers in 18 other states, including Florida, have proposed similar measures."
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