Thread: McCain or Obama?

May I also add that it does not matter to me who you are voting for as long as in your heart of hearts you truly think that it is the best choice. One that represents your values not the lessor of two evils, or because you are playing a numbers game and are voting against someone else, but vote for the person you think will do the best job in you estimation based on your values and how that candidate honestly represents them.

That is the only way to go, if we play the lesser of two evils game, we are playing their game and WE WILL LOSE EVERYTIME

I don't profess to be a political guru but I am intelligent enough to know that every good game plan must include a defensive strategy, as well as an offensive one.

Originally Posted by Dianer

God doesn't require his people to vote for the lesser of two evils but to do what is right. We need to vote for who we believe is on the right side of our Country and let God do the rest, it's called faith.
For me it's Chuck Baldwin, Ron Paul approves and I trust Dr. Paul, he has been right about everything.

Bingo! I always believed this country was and will always be in God's hands....not those of one man. Vote for who you think will be the best man for the job.

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From what I read of these responses Obama is right on...there are a lot of angry people out there.....

However, the system is what it is like it or not.

Chuck Baldwin probably would make a fine president but simple logic has it the he cannot win. Ross Perothad the chance and he blew it.

Sorry but look at it this way. If Obama?Biden lose they go back to the senate. McCain ditto. Sarah? She gets a $10 million payout from Playboy.....seriously goes back to her job as governor of Alaska...and we carry on as usual.

Please do vote and maybe only because we do have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and I think it is a good simple gesture to vote for that reason alone even if it is for Baldwin.

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Hang in there.

I appreciate reading how you, and everyone else feels about the election. This is a big one this time. It will change our world.

About McCain v. Obama...........There will very likely end up being 60 Democrats in the Senate.......As I understand it, the problem with that is, right now there are four aged Supreme Court Justices who will be replaced, probably fairly soon. The Democrats will then have the majority.

So if some of those elderly Justices should die, if Obama is the president, he will pick their replacements. There will not be enough Republicans in the Senate to protest his choices. For a time then, our Supreme Court will be in Obama's hands..........I for one, refuse to give our Supreme Court over to the likes of Hussein Obama.

Also, if Obama becomes the next President, we are basically looking at national health care no matter how Obama tries to spin it. I don't want national health care! It will totally destroy our medical system.

Last but not least, our country will be border-less.

McCain is bad, but Obama is deadly. IMO

Just a few reasons not to vote for Amnesty John:

-Mass amnesty is very personal to McCain, and should he be elected, he would likely make it one of the highest priorities of his administration. He would happily work with liberals, and use the bully pulpit against rank and file Republicans -- all the while praised by the MSM (praise which is like oxygen to McCain).

-If McCain is elected, it will prove to him that he doesn't really need conservatives to win (just like in the open primaries), and we could expect him to forget his CPAC talking points, and revert to working with the liberals such as Russ Feingold and Joe Lieberman. (We have already seen him backing off his "secure the border first" rhetoric.)

-Recently floated Andrew Cuomo (son of Mario and former HUD secretary under Clinton), yes Andrew Cuomo, as someone who should head the SEC -- in the name of "bipartisanship." Would McCain use the same type of faulty reasoning and decision making in picking judges -- one of the major reasons why reluctant conservatives are told to vote for him over Obama?

And for more on the real McCain record, read this from conservative talk radio host Mark Levin:

National Review Online
January 11, 2008
The Real McCain Record
Obstacles in the way of conservative support.
By Mark R. Levin

There’s a reason some of John McCain's conservative supporters avoid discussing his record. They want to talk about his personal story, his position on the surge, his supposed electability. But whenever the rest of his career comes up, the knee-jerk reply is to characterize the inquiries as attacks.

The McCain domestic record is a disaster. To say he fought spending, most particularly earmarks, is to nibble around the edges and miss the heart of the matter. For starters, consider:

*McCain-Feingold — the most brazen frontal assault on political speech since Buckley v. Valeo.

*McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.

*McCain-Lieberman — the most onerous and intrusive attack on American industry — through reporting, regulating, and taxing authority of greenhouse gases — in American history.

*McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar since the tobacco settlement, under the rubric of a patients’ bill of rights.

*McCain-Reimportation of Drugs — a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development, not to mention consumer safety (hey Rudy, pay attention, see link).

And McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts was largely based on socialist, class-warfare rhetoric — tax cuts for the rich, not for the middle class. The public record is full of these statements. Today, he recalls only his insistence on accompanying spending cuts.

As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.

McCain also led the Gang of 14, which prevented the Republican leadership in the Senate from mounting a rule change that would have ended the systematic use (actual and threatened) of the filibuster to prevent majority approval of judicial nominees.

And then there’s the McCain defense record.

His supporters point to essentially one policy strength, McCain’s early support for a surge and counterinsurgency. It has now evolved into McCain taking credit for forcing the president to adopt General David Petreaus’s strategy. Where’s the evidence to support such a claim?

Moreover, Iraq is an important battle in our war against the Islamo-fascist threat. But the war is a global war, and it most certainly includes the continental United States, which, after all, was struck on 9/11. How does McCain fare in that regard?

McCain-ACLU — the unprecedented granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (terrorists).

McCain has repeatedly called for the immediate closing of Guantanamo Bay and the introduction of al-Qaeda terrorists into our own prisons — despite the legal rights they would immediately gain and the burdens of managing such a dangerous population.

While McCain proudly and repeatedly points to his battles with Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who had to rebuild the U.S. military and fight a complex war, where was McCain in the lead-up to the war — when the military was being dangerously downsized by the Clinton administration and McCain’s friend, former Secretary of Defense Bill Cohen? Where was McCain when the CIA was in desperate need of attention? Also, McCain was apparently in the dark about al-Qaeda like most of Washington, despite a decade of warnings.

My fingers are crossed that at the next debate, either Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney will find a way to address McCain’s record. (Mike Huckabee won’t, as he is apparently in the tank for him.)

— Mark R. Levin served as chief of staff to Attorney General Edwin Meese in the Reagan administration, and he is a nationally syndicated radio talk show host.

http://article.nationalreview.com/print ... ZiOGNhOGQ=

Originally Posted by Dianer

God doesn't require his people to vote for the lesser of two evils but to do what is right. We need to vote for who we believe is on the right side of our Country and let God do the rest, it's called faith.
For me it's Chuck Baldwin, Ron Paul approves and I trust Dr. Paul, he has been right about everything.

Thats right Dianer. I AM VOTING FOR CHUCK BALDWIN!

Alan Keyes is on the ballot in Colorado and he's getting my vote. If you want to slow down the freight train to socialistic Globalism we're on, concentrate on Congress in '08.

Goodoledays.....there is so much anger, in this forum, and in the country, that people are voting on emotion and not on reason.

As much as I did not like Al Gore, John Kerry or even Billary, I would feel better with any of them rather than OBAMA. The guy is down right scary.

How can you win an election based on two words? Hope and change? Hope and change. Know what the Germans were told in Hitler's Germany? "The fuher will give you work and bread and this is all that you need know...for now".

I am not saying Obama will be a Hitler BY ANY MEANS but I see people falling for a character who is promising so much with little substance. The anger for McCain in this forum over scamnesty I understand but who is TANCREDO, SENSENBRENNER, HUNTER etc supporting? Obama? Baldwin? NOPE! McCain! The Congressional heros of this forum support McCain....reluctantly but they do!

I cannot believe that my country America, will reject a war hero for a self appointed socialist leftist activist who could be a Muslim, Communist etc?? A US Naval Academy graduate with a father and grandfather who served this country and not just south Chicago. Do we know Obama? How is Obama anymore qualified than Sarah Palin? One could arque that Biden has more skills than Obama which is why Obama picked him they say.

Hate McCain if you must but you know McCain and why give Obama a pass over two words Hope and Change? Maybe the masses are asses as they say?


I see where Palin, and I hope McCain, are starting to bring up Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers and the things I mention above and I hope people will vote on reason instead of fear, anger, and insecurity.

Immigration? Since everybody seems to think amnesty is inevitable, maybe you had better think of what kind of amnesty you want to see? Who would secure the border FINALLY while giving amnesty? Obama or McCain? Would anti-illegal HOUSE Republicans, at least get a meeting with Republican McCain? And Obama Democrat?

Think! Don't feel think! Baldwin cannot win nor can Bob Barr. It is what it is folks.

I am glad that you get it Goodoledays