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    Top German diplomat: 'We no longer recognize our America'

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    MUNICH — Germany's foreign minister slammed the "America first" approach of President Donald Trump's administration Saturday, saying that close U.S. ties with a strong European Union are as much in Washington's interest as they are in Europe's.

    German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel told world leaders and defence officials at the Munich Security Conference that with the United States no longer the only indisputable superpower, it makes sense for Washington to count on traditional partners in Europe for help.

    At the same time, Gabriel said, it is also clear that European nations need the U.S. if they want to "shape the future and not just endure."

    "Our strength in Europe is not sufficient for this. Neither the EU nor the U.S. can go it alone. We have to count on our friends and our partners," he said.

    Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, met one-on-one with Gabriel after his speech. McMaster reassured the forum that the United States still is strongly committed to its traditional alliances, but emphasized that "we must all share responsibility."

    "International peace and prosperity depends on all nations," McMaster said. "For this reason, President Trump has called for stronger alliances and partnerships based on shared values, shared interests, shared responsibilities and shared burdens."

    Trump has pushed strongly for more NATO nations to live up to commitments to spend at least 2 per cent of their gross domestic product on defence spending.

    Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, whose country is one of the five NATO members that does meet the target, said discussing a common European defence policy with other nations is complicated when they are not playing by the same rules.

    He said it's not appropriate to "have those free riders who live under pax Americana but pretend to be self-sufficient in the context of security."

    "I feel very much pro-European. I would like that we live under pax Europa, but this is not the case. It was not the case for 70 years and it is not the case today," Morawiecki said.

    He added that, following Russian aggression in recent years against Georgia and Ukraine, Europe needs "more steel tanks and not only think tanks."

    No country in Europe has benefited as much from American help as Germany since World War II, Gabriel said. He said the country "eagerly learned" principles of democracy, multilateralism, international law and free trade from the relationship with the U.S.

    "Maybe this can explain why we Germans in particular are so perturbed when we look across the Atlantic — because we no longer recognize our America," he said. "Is it deeds, is it words, is it tweets we should look at to measure America?"

    He urged a return to greater joint co-operation , saying now is not the time for "just pursuing individual national interests."

    Gabriel suggested the U.S. was going in the opposite direction, drifting toward approaches taken from powers like China and Russia who are "constantly trying to test or undermine" the EU.

    "It is one thing from possible rivals or competitors, but from our friends and partners we expect that they will respect the unity of the EU," he said. "No one should try to divide the EU, not Russia, not China, but also not the United States."

    In a meeting on the sidelines of the conference Friday, U.S. Secretary of Defence James Mattis told French Defence Minister Florence Parly that a "strong Europe is a better security partner" but emphasized that EU defence initiatives should "complement, not compete with NATO," the U.S. Defence Department said.

    Parly said during an address at the conference Friday that worries about EU defence being in "opposition to NATO" were a "false debate".

    Gabriel said there was a need for European nations to work more effectively together so the EU has both the tools and a common strategy to effectively assert its interests globally. He said that while Europe can't rest simply on a military strategy, it also can't ignore military and defence spending.

    "As the only vegetarian, we would have a problem in the world of carnivores," he said.


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    'We no longer recognize our Germany'

    bunch of social democrats, we too don't recognize our Germany, full of dirty refugees.
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    No country in Europe has benefited as much from American help as Germany since World War II, Gabriel said. He said the country "eagerly learned" principles of democracy, multilateralism, international law and free trade from the relationship with the U.S.

    "Maybe this can explain why we Germans in particular are so perturbed when we look across the Atlantic — because we no longer recognize our America," he said. "Is it deeds, is it words, is it tweets we should look at to measure America?"

    He urged a return to greater joint co-operation , saying now is not the time for "just pursuing individual national interests."
    But obviously you have more to learn. So sit down, shut up, take care of your own country, and we'll show you and every other country in the EU and the world what needs to be done ... now. Our feud isn't with Germany, it's with globalism, which you have chosen to be a part of. It's your choice to be part of that, just as it's our choice not to be part of it. This is what freedom means.
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    Not only that...our ATM machine is OUT OF ORDER!

    PAY UP YOUR FAIR SHARE!!!
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    Yes, that's right! We're broke. These so-called adoring "friends" have bankrupted US and finally we have a President with the common sense, intelligence and loyalty to our citizens to tell them, NO MORE!!! Any "friend" who doesn't understand that, wasn't a friend to begin with and just another teat sucker on the gravy train. I really don't think this Foreign Minister represents the will of the people of Germany. He's an appointed Merkel hack pushing their one world order globalism. Disgusting.
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    In follow-up:

    Has Russia ever criticized US for our desire to protect our trade to save our industries and jobs? NEVER.

    Has Russia ever criticized US for withdrawing from the Paris Climate Accord to protect our own energy companies? NEVER.

    Has Russia ever criticized US for wanting to fix this outrageous excess immigration problem stealing jobs and resources from US? NEVER.

    Has Russia ever asked US for money to do anything? NEVER.

    Has Russia ever cheated US out of any money? NEVER.

    Russia declined financial aid from the United States after WWII. China took it, every country in Europe took it, Japan took it, Phillipines took it, etc., etc., but Russia declined the aid and rebuilt themselves, even though their country was the most devastated with the highest number of casualties of any country in WWII.

    Russians and Americans are very much alike, which is why our treasonous governments have worked so hard to keep us apart playing fake enemies and detente, just like what's going on now over phony Facebook ads. In my opinion, Trump is taking the correct stance not buying into the lies about Russia.
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