Thread: Barack Obama's citizenship questioned

Dr. D. Tokaji is a constitutional law expert, but he has prejudged 48 cases without considering the evidence, and he agrees with and defends the wrong-headed decisions which each judge has imposed.

Erroneous logic:

Originally Posted by D. Tokaji

Standing requirements and the political question doctrine make it unlikely that a federal court will reach the merits in cases of the type filed to date.

The most plausible is an action in state court challenging an allegedly ineligible candidate’s access to the ballot, which would not present the same justiciability obstacles.

But filing in state courts has not prevented the same procedural obstacle-obstructed results.

Erroneous expectations of justice:

Originally Posted by D. Tokaji

Congress could decide the eligibility of a presidential candidate through its constitutionally assigned role in counting Electoral College votes.

We saw how that went. Pres. of the Senate Dick Cheney did not call for, i.e., did not allow, any objections to the electoral ballots.

Originally Posted by D. Tokaji

The existence of these two alternative means to adjudicate a presidential candidate’s eligibility strengthens the arguments against the justiciability of the federal lawsuits filed to date.

We're still waiting.

Erroneous evidence, so-called:

Originally Posted by D. Tokaji

"Three cases have challenged McCain’s eligibility on the ground that he is ineligible due to his birth in the Panama Canal Zone."

Fact: John McCain was born to U.S. citizen parents on active duty at the U.S. Navy sub base at Coco Solo, which makes him a U.S. citizen at birth, ius sanguinis. However, the birth did not take place within U.S. jurisdiction, neither on base nor in the Panama Canal Zone, but in Colon Hospital in Colon, Republic of Panama. Birth outside U.S. jurisdiction, ius soli, did not affect his citizenship, but it did invalidate his claim to natural born citizenship (born on U.S. soil to parents who are citizens).

Erroneous decisions to date:

[quote="D. Tokaji"]The district court dismissed Hollander’s case, concluding that he presented only a “generalized interestâ€

Originally Posted by On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Keith Humphrey of Christian Exodus

There have been many interesting developments in 2009, as the United
States descends into a Fascist Dictatorship, people are waking up to
their duty to resist this burgeoning tyranny.

Mr. Humphrey,

I do not think the United States is becoming a dictatorship. The government appears to be taking the shape of a totalitarian oligarchy, consisting of the Constitutionally disqualified pseudo-president, with his pseudo-cabinet bureaucracy, and the filibuster-proof Democratic majority in the Senate. The judiciary is supposed to provide checks and balances to the excesses of the elected "royalty", but it has been neutered, de-fanged, and de-clawed by:

• 1. the imminent threat of a nationwide Watts II;
  2. public opinion manipulated or controlled by the downstream media; and
  3. targeted assassinations and family kidnappings by the Nation of Is|am, the Mafia and the Chicago mob, Latino gangs (MS-13, Latin Kings, los Zetas, 18th St., etc.), Hezbollah and other Is|amist terrorist sleeper cells widespread around the country, communist/ anarchist/ Marxist/ Maoist revolutionaries, and even the violent elements of the Teamsters and otherwise legitimate labor unions.

Relevant here are two forces that are not part of this totalitarian oligarchy:

• 1. the Lord God, and His Christ, and the Holy Spirit operating in the midst of the believing remnant, and
  2. the United States military.

It is my sanguine (howsoever pessimistic) opinion that the Lord will allow this anti-America, antichristian episode to run its course without intervention, to show even the kool-aid servers what they have wrought, and to give everyone a clear understanding of what it is that they must needs reject. I doubt that He will overturn the will of the majority and deliver us from evil, until a majority of Americans cease clinging to that evil.

Until the Lord sovereignly intervenes, I believe that the military, not the judiciary, is our only mortal recourse.
No power on earth can intimidate the U.S. armed forces: not the mob, not MS-13, not rogue Teamsters, not Beltway pols, and most definitely, not Is|am.

As subjection to a counterfeit Commander-in-Chief becomes increasingly difficult, even impossible, the military is being cornered. That is not a wise thing to do to armed-to-the-teeth Marines, Green Berets, Seals, Special Ops, and the 101st and 82nd Airborne. Military personnel are more aware than most people that this man who would be Commander-in-Chief is actually an Emperor with no clothes, or at least, no Constitutional credentials or bona fides. *

Iran intends to nuke Israel as soon as it has atomic bombs marked "Jerusalem", "Tel Aviv", and "Haifa". Iran will not succeed, but a provocation against Israel will pit the fraudulent impostor against the U.S. armed forces, and the consequences are most predictable. We must prepare to support the military on that day when the officers and the troops uphold their oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, even against subterfuge, taqiyya, trickery, treachery, and treason.

Sincerely in Christ,


MinutemanCDC_SC

* I assume that you, of all people, have had the MSM blinders removed.
Nevertheless, here are a few of the grievances against Mr. Obama's unconstitutional usurpation of the Presidency.
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Sat., Jan. 10, 2009, 11:39 PM

just wanted to be sure that you understand that

what used to be the United States of America is already undergoing a coup d'état.

The U.S. Constitution and the U.S. Code are being disregarded. Next on the agenda, a constitutional convention? Or will the Obamajugend, the domestic combat force with a DOD-sized budget, materialize first?

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President..." U.S. Constitution, Article II, Sec. 1.

Why is ex-Sen. Obama hiding his long-form, typewritten Certificate of Live Birth? He was not born of U.S. citizen parents on U.S. soil, unlike all previous U.S. Presidents born since 1787 (except Chester A. Arthur, a fraud who concealed that his father was not naturalized until 17 years after his son's birth).

3 USC ¶ 1 § 15 "Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper [of Electoral College votes], the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any." Pres. of the Senate Dick Cheney did not call for, i.e., did not allow, objections to the Electoral College affidavits by Senators and Representatives in the Jan. 8 joint session. This disenfranchised Congress from the election process.

The U.S. cabinet, 535 legislators, 50 state governors, 50 state secretaries of state, 538 electors, and every judge yet petitioned are gagged and bound, every one. There have been 48 eligibility lawsuits to date, and four of them have been denied by the U.S. Supreme Court. Not one person in any of the three branches of government has spoken up. Has there ever in America been such unanimity or intimidation about anything, ever?

It appears (and you could probably find out) that the FBI has read the riot act to all major broadcasters and publishers, that they will be charged for inciting to riot, and for the consequences of such riots, if they discuss the unconstitutional usurping of the office of the Presidency by a "not-natural born citizen." (But that hasn't stilled WorldNetDaily, Michael Savage, Janet Porter, Citizen Wells, or Dr. Alan Keyes; did they not get the word?)

It appears (and you could probably find out) that terrorists are blackmailing the U.S. government with threats of attacks with biological or chemical agents, should a legal blockade stonewall this Presidential candidate who is backed by donors in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Libya, the PLO, and various other Arab countries.

Arab investors now require that the U.S. banking system submit to Shari'a-compliant financing (SCF). (In like manner, the G20 exacted of Mr. Obama oversight of U.S. banking and financial operations, in return for continued investment and loans, and China may have already followed suit.) The Congress is doling out trillions upon trillions of dollars to the investors defrauded by the massive over-expansion, beginning in 1995, of the Community Reinvestment Act (1977). Who, besides the Chinese, were those investors? The Arab oil states of OPEC.

THIS IS IS|_AM.
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"Talk, talk, ta-a-a-alk. We talk too much."

Meanwhile, an unlawful impostor has usurped the throne, with ($200,000,000?) backing from Mus|ims of every stripe:

1) Rashid Khalidi, a director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut, 1976-1982,
and a [PLO?] adviser to the Palestinian delegation to the Madrid Conference in 1991;
Az0396TheGunAndTheOliveBranch-thePalestineLiberationOrganization.mp3

2) Mona Khalidi, chief English-language editor of WAFA, 1976-1982, and
president of the Chicago-based Arab American Action Network (AAAN);
http://www.jewishpress.com/content.cfm?contentid=30283

3) Ali Abunimah, vice-president of AAAN and co-founder of the Electronic Intifada website,
created by activists affiliated with the International Solidarity Movement;
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125656
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives ... ali_a.html

4) convicted mobster Tony Rezko, a Syrian;

5) Nation of Is|am leader Louis Farrakhan;

6) Malik Zulu Shabazz, leader of the New Black Panther Party, a Nation of Is|am offshoot;

7) Raila Odinga, Marxist militant, Kenyan prime minister, and Mus|im opposition leader;
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... ya-ghosts/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... ng_fields/
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... odinga.jpg

8 ) Col. Mohammar Qadaffi of Libya, who encouraged Arabs to contribute to the Obama campaign;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=w2737QUBxFY

9) the Saudi royal family, 19% shareholders of FOX,
who blocked Sean Hannity's coverage of Barack Obama's Constitutional ineligibility;

10) Nadhmi Auchi, an accomplice of Saddam Hussein;
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/200 ... obama.html
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezk ... dog28.stng
http://2164th.blogspot.com/2008/03/bara ... adhmi.html

11) Sen. Biden supporter Sadegh Namazi-khah, founder of the Iranian Mus|im Association of North America (IMAN);
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/bdein_ ... 25165.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=43920
http://obamareport.blogspot.com/2008/08 ... wards.html

12) Dr. Trita Parsi, National Iranian American Council (NIAC) leader, who was less significantly supportive of Barack Obama than the others.
http://www.bitterlemons-international.o ... d=253#1035
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/trita-par ... 59567.html

Also, he was mentored in Hawaii by Frank Marshall Davis (Communist Party USA), instructed at Columbia by radical PLO apologist and advocate Edward Said, and launched into the abysmal swamp of Chicago politics by Pentagon bomber Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, members of the Weathermen Underground in the 60's.

The President's cabinet, U.S. department heads, 535 legislators, 50 state governors, 50 state secretaries of state, 538 electors, and all judges yet petitioned are gagged and bound, every one. There have been 48 eligibility lawsuits to date, and the U.S. Supreme Court has denied four of them. The judiciary has surrendered its rightful authority to a fraudulent usurper, and not one person in any of the three branches of government has spoken up to ask, "What ARE you doing?" In the land of the free and the home of the brave, has there ever been such mind-control or intimidation about anything, ever?

Pray to the Lord of hosts for deliverance. Petitioning the courts is futile. National self-determination has evaporated like the dew. I've a feeling we're not in a Constitutional Republic any more. Not even a democracy. This is a totalitarian state.

THIS IS IS|_AM.

http://www.alipac.us/ftopic-137238-.html

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Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity aren't telling you who and what is behind this administration.

Who is this guy working for? It sure is not the American People!

If the campaign contributions are a valid indicator, they point to Is|am.

You don't understand. Obama wants to help Obama. He doesn't care about you or your stupid country.

What do you take him for? A patriot?

Never happen.

I don't think this is primarily about self-interest. It is much broader in scope than that. All the malcontents against the previous administration didn't band together just to anoint Barack Obama as their political messiah.

The Is|amists, globalists, anarchists, Marxists, socialists, communists, etc., along with the downstream media, the pork-barrel spendthrifts in Congress, the anti-Constitution, "living document" jurists legislating from the bench, and the panoply of liberal and leftist fellow travelers together constitute the bulk of the fifth column in America. This conglomeration of misfits is patched into a collective by a common purpose: to unravel the social, economic, cultural, historical, and Christian fabric that binds us together as one people, so as to bring down to the dust this God-blessed, greatest nation on earth.

Keep in mind that Barack Obama was raised by grandparents who were communists, and his mother was a "Ché Guevara radical" hippie chick. Frank Marshall Davis (Communist Party USA), Edward Said (PLO) at Columbia Univ., William Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, and Trotskyite Saul Alinsky in Chicago mentored Barack Obama personally, and who knows what Is|amic indoctrination he received in Indonesia. He may even have caught a whiff of black liberation theology from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, although he said he didn't inhale (or even hear it preached during 20 years). This is a group effort, not just a lone megalomaniac on a power trip.

This is about extinguishing the beacon of Christian faith, American freedom, and capitalistic opportunity. Sounds a lot like Is|am to me... and communism... and globalism... and God's enemy, Satan (whether or not you believe he exists).

Attachments:
"Debunking the obamatoids," by Lynn Stuter
"Obama eligibility - letter sent to a reporter"
"Letter sent to a U.S. Senator"
"BushObama's Open Borders, Amnesty for Illegal Aliens, and Flu!" by William Gheen (edited)

I can't remember if anyone here has addressed this, but I wanted to be sure that folks had seen it, if only for good debating practice: http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/ ... rs-latest/

[quote=MinutemanCDC_SC]Dr. D. Tokaji is a constitutional law expert, but he has prejudged 48 cases without considering the evidence, and he agrees with and defends the wrong-headed decisions which each judge has imposed.

Erroneous logic:

Originally Posted by "D. Tokaji":2ue38yr6

Standing requirements and the political question doctrine make it unlikely that a federal court will reach the merits in cases of the type filed to date.

The most plausible is an action in state court challenging an allegedly ineligible candidate’s access to the ballot, which would not present the same justiciability obstacles.

[size=14]But filing in state courts has not prevented the same procedural obstacle-obstructed results.

[/quote:2ue38yr6]

In at least two of them where I looked at the ruling and there was further follow up with a SOS, the deadlines for objection were cited. In Hawaii, that's what derailed a state court lawsuit -- the failure to file within the stated number of days after the "certification" out of the DNC (signed by Pelosi) putting Obama on the ballot. Same situation existed in NJ where people only have 4 days after a name has been submitted as the nominee in which to file an objection citing eligibility.

Originally Posted by FreedomFirst

In at least two of them where I looked at the ruling and there was further follow up with a SOS, the deadlines for objection were cited. In Hawaii, that's what derailed a state court lawsuit -- the failure to file within the stated number of days after the "certification" out of the DNC (signed by Pelosi) putting Obama on the ballot. Same situation existed in NJ where people only have 4 days after a name has been submitted as the nominee in which to file an objection citing eligibility.

That would tell me that we need to be vigilant in our tracking of the filing of the candidate's applications in the states, timely in our certification challenges, and legally accurate in our objections of a candidacy if there are certification anomalies found early on.

We also should work on legislation to mandate public announcements of candidate's applications (if not already done), extend the deadlines for objection to one year after application filing, and require satisfactory candidate response to the objection within 30 days of the filing of the objection or the candidate is immediately withdrawn from the election.

Another day to make a difference Patriots, please join in!

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-156656.html

WND is starting a nationwide billboard campaign to force Obama to provide his real birth certificate. It's about time this issue became visible to everyone! Let's see how long it takes before someone in the Obama camp launches a campaign to make these billboards illegal.

Your Chance to Ask:
Where's the Birth Certificate?

Would you like to see more awareness of the serious questions about Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president of the United States? Are you frustrated by the lack of media coverage of this constitutional issue? How would you like to join in a campaign to generate public debate and discussion?

WND, the only news agency in the world that has relentlessly pounded the eligibility questions, is ready to up the ante – with your help.

Donations are being accepted to defray the costs of a national billboard campaign with the simple message: "Where's the birth certificate?"

The idea is to make sure Obama cannot avoid this question any longer. He must be asked to produce it at every turn. Billboard space is currently being negotiated in Los Angeles, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Sacramento, San Francisco, New York-New Jersey, Des Moines, Seattle and other metro areas.

"I wish such a campaign were not absolutely necessary," said Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND. "I wish there were checks and balances in our political and electoral systems to ensure that constitutional eligibility of presidential candidates was established before politicians could assume the highest office in the land. I wish my colleagues in the news media believed the Constitution really means what it says and pressed this issue as hard as we have pressed it at WND. I wish radio talk-show hosts were bold enough to ask this question. But wishing is not enough. It's time to raise the visibility of this issue vital to the rule of law in America. I ask everyone to pitch in and help WND make a simple yet profound statement: The Constitution still matters."

WND previously launched a petition campaign that has collected more than 370,000 names demanding Obama's eligibility be verified and demonstrated publicly. That campaign continues. That list has been shared with members of the Electoral College and the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

Dear President Obama/Soetoro:

May 19, 2009.

Have you heard about the national "Where's the Birth Certificate?" billboard campaign proposed by website WorldNetDaily during May 2009?

As you know, I don't like you very much, so I hope this
proposed WorldNetDaily "Where's the Birth Certificate?" national billboard campaign becomes a reality.

I hope that the statement on the billboard
includes your name. I would even put Speaker Pelosi's name on the billboard.

My proposed billboard statement would look something like this:

"Obama and Pelosi: Where's the long form Hawaii birth Certificate?"

Pelosi: I would include Pelosi's name because she is the one who signed the Hawaii election form where Pelosi
CERTIFIED that you, Obama, was eligible to be President under the laws of the Constitution of the United States.

My point is this: How Pelosi could possibly know for sure that you were eligible to be President of the United States without first examining your long form Hawaii birth certificate with her own eyes is beyond me.

That is, I don't believe for one minute that Pelosi ever saw any official legal documents that proved to her beyond a doubt that you were eligible to be President of the United States under the laws of the Constitution of the United States.

So I say Pelosi's name should go up on the billboard with your name.

I also have a couple of suggestions for other statements that should go up on billboards:

"Obama, release your Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records!"

"Obama, name your Hawaii birth hospital!"

President Obama, you may not like to hear this, but I wish website WorldNetDaily the best of luck as it tries to organize a national "Where's the birth certificate?" billboard campaign.


Tuesday, May 19, 2009
(MOD EDIT) Please do not post personal information.

Originally Posted by Darrell Green of Focus on the Family

Thank you for your e-mail to Focus on the Family. We appreciate your sharing information alleging that President Barack Obama was ineligible to run for President. As we see it, there is no reason to doubt FactCheck.org’s findings on this subject at the following links:

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/h ... losed.html

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... e_usa.html

We’re aware that many have made up their mind about this issue and may not find FactCheck’s analysis credible. We’ll leave it to each individual to decide for themselves which explanation for this controversy is more plausible.

Again, thanks for contacting us. Grace, peace, and blessings to you.

Darrell Green
Focus on the Family

Originally Posted by Jesus said, as Matthew 5:22

But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ [good-for-nothing!] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

Therefore, let's not call someone a "fool" merely because he has been fooled.

[quote="mirse"]Dear President Obama/Soetoro:

May 19, 2009.

Have you heard about the national "Where's the Birth Certificate?" billboard campaign proposed by website WorldNetDaily during May 2009?

As you know, I don't like you very much, so I hope this
proposed WorldNetDaily "Where's the Birth Certificate?" national billboard campaign becomes a reality.
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Recently, WorldNetDaily website announced that it was organizing a national billboard campaign asking Obama about his long form birth certificate, a certificate that we all know Obama refuses to release to the public.

The billboard sign will read something like this:

"Where's your Birth Certificate?" with Obama's name missing.

I'm sorry, but without a person's name on the billboard, like Obama's name or without words like "Mr. President", the billboard campaign will not have much impact, as I see it, because of the following reasons:

1. Remember, thousands of Americans don't really have any idea that there is an Obama birth certificate issue.

2. So, when thousands of Americans quickly drive by a
sign on the highway with the words "Where's your birth certificate?", they will have no idea what the sign is about or care what it is about.

3. And after those thousands of Americans drive by the billboard with nobody's name on it a few times, they will eventually come to drive by the sign as if it were not there, unless every time they drove by the sign the name "Obama" or "Mr. President" were the first words that grabbed their attention.

4. My point is this: Words like "Obama" and "Mr. President" on any sign will quickly attract a driver's attention, in my opinion, no matter how many times the person drives by the sign.

5. So, as I see it, unless the sign contains the words like "Obama" or "Mr.President", thousands of Americans rushing down the highway past the sign will have no idea what the sign means, and they could care less what the sign means.

6.Does WND really think that people will rush home to discuss this billboard sign that says "Where's your Birth Certificate?", when the billboard has no name on it?

7. Suggestion: WND should contact a good marketing person to give it advice on what to put on the sign before it puts a billboard.

8. Again, I'm sorry to say this: Unless WND puts somebody's name on the billboard like "Obama" or "Mr. President", the billboard signs will NOT have the powerful impact on the American public's curiosity and conscience that WND hopes for.

9. If its objective in putting up the billboards in the first place is to put heavy pressure on Obama to release his long form Hawaii birth certificate, then it must put Obama's name on it.

10. If WND doesn't put Obama's name on the billboard, Obama will say it has nothing to do with him, and he will have a good excuse to ignore it, in my opinion.

11. Really, without Obama's name or a phrase like "Mr. President" on the billboard, WND is really wasting a lot of time and money.

12. But they are WND'S billboard signs, so I guess it can do what it wants.