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    I reviewed the detailed investigation on the link above about the validity of BO's Birth Certificate. I have concluded that based upon the technical analysis presented that, at the mininum, there should be an investigation at the Federal level. If indeed the COLB is a forgery as is purported and appears to be supported by the evidence, this could be the greatest fraud ever perpetrated upon the American people. It makes me sick to think that we even need to have this conversation. Recall the forged document that CBS presented as "authentic" when Bush was running for office. Could this be the second great fraud perpetrated by the Democratic party?
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    Next to the Federal Reserve, probably.

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    A Preacher Who Can Preach!

    The Honorable James David Manning is not afraid to speak out , a preacher who is black and has the fire that McCain lacked.
    The link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTp_atr2 ... re=related
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    What exactly does "natural-born" mean?
    Persons born citizens of the United States are considered natural-born. Therefore, a child born of illegal immigrants or born on U.S. soil yet lived his or her life out of the nation could still be President. A naturalized citizen could not

    In conclusion...IF he was born in Kenya like some people want to believe it doesnt really matter because his mother is a U.S Citizen therefore Obama is a natural born citizen because he was a citizen when he was born and not Naturalized. Any U.S citizen that has a kid abroad just has to go to their embassy and register their kid and its an automatic citizen, blue passport and all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrantgrl
    What exactly does "natural-born" mean?
    Persons born citizens of the United States are considered natural-born. Therefore, a child born of illegal immigrants or born on U.S. soil yet lived his or her life out of the nation could still be President. A naturalized citizen could not

    In conclusion...IF he was born in Kenya like some people want to believe it doesnt really matter because his mother is a U.S Citizen therefore Obama is a natural born citizen because he was a citizen when he was born and not Naturalized. Any U.S citizen that has a kid abroad just has to go to their embassy and register their kid and its an automatic citizen, blue passport and all
    if this is the case. where is the registration and passport?
    the laws have been change since 61 when someone born outside the US can be considered a citizen is IF BOTH parents are military and serving abroad...

    and there is that little part of the article of US citizenship that says the adult american with a child is not considered a US Citizen if they are not over 16 and have been over that age for five years. and his momma wa sonly 18 at birth

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    But his parents, neither wer military.

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    The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."

    being in the military is one of exceptions as there are many others not a requirement.

    And anyway..none of this matters.. he was born in HAWAII!! this started as an email rumor and too many people have fallen into it. This is why we have snopes people! he has provided a birth certificate but thats just not enough.. it must be false huh? even if its never proven otherwise you will never believe it.. what is it going to take? it must be true cause it was on the internet i guess

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    Any confusion on this point is the result of misunderstanding the legal concepts of jus sanguinis (right of blood) and jus soli (right of birthplace). Here is how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:

    "The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli.

    Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.
    Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents).

    It is a fact that under the provisions of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president, but this disqualification does not apply to Barack Obama, who has been a citizen since birth. "

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    And really lets just put this to rest.. u dont have to believe me. how about believing people that have seen it themselves?? not just some bloggers that have nothing better to do than start some conspiracy theories

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immigrantgrl
    Any confusion on this point is the result of misunderstanding the legal concepts of jus sanguinis (right of blood) and jus soli (right of birthplace). Here is how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:

    "The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli.

    Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.
    Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents).

    It is a fact that under the provisions of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president, but this disqualification does not apply to Barack Obama, who has been a citizen since birth. "

    You obviously have not been following this case very closely. Too much of what you're saying is false.

    Yes, it's true if one of the parents is a US citizenship and the child is born in a foreign country, the child is automatically a US citizen IF at least one parent has lived in the US for 14 years, 5 of them over the age of 21. She had Obama at age 18. So if she did have him in Kenya (I believe it's very possible) he would have had to become naturalized. And it's quite possible that his Hawaiian BC reflects that. This would nullify any eligibility to become president.

    You argue the point the it doesn't matter where he was born and yet you put the factcheck.org link of his BC stating he was born in Hawaii. So if he WAS born in Kenya, that proves he posted a phony record online. Are you okay with that? There are a lot of issues with the BC he posted, which is why there are lawsuits requesting to see the vault version (COLB). What is so difficult about that? Why doesn't he just obtain a copy and give it to the press. It would resolve this and put a lot of people's concerns to rest.

    The health dept in Hawaii claims to have verified the document exists, not sure how that came to be since one is supposed to only be allowed to view it if they are a blood relative or the person who bears it's name. But regardless, she never said that the COLB stated he was born in Hawaii. We don't know what is on that record.

    Until this is settled I will suspect that he is ineligible.

    Hopefully the supreme court will hear this case or force the lower court to do so since it was thrown out based on the inability for a citizen to question the eligibilty of a candidate, which is wrong IMO. The case was not thrown out based on merit.

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