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    From Dr. Taitz's "Motion for Reconsideration" filed with Judge David Carter on Nov. 9:
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    Orly Taitz, Esq., wrote:
    • [list:11kqyktx]2. The plaintiffs request
      the court to strike from the order unsupported and prejudicial verbiage.
      Please see in the attachment Declaration of the undersigned attorney.
      ...
      5. The court has included in the order mention of yet another ex-parte
      communication with the judge, where two parties claimed that the
      undersigned counsel has asked them to perjure themselves. Please see
      the declaration, this was a slanderous, defamatory, prejudicial
      allegation, and the undersigned had no opportunity to respond.

      6. The undersigned believes that the letters came from Larry Sinclair
      and Lucas Smith.

      7. Larry Sinclair was asked to authenticate an affidavit he submitted to
      the Chicago police regarding the homicide of Mr. Donald Young. In the
      affidavit submitted to the Chicago police and in his book recently
      published, Mr. Sinclair has stated that Mr. Donald Young has contacted
      him repeatedly and stated that he had a homosexual relationship with
      Mr. Barack Obama and that Mr. Young was found dead with multiple
      gunshot wounds December 23, 2007 at the onset of 2008 Democratic
      primary elections. Any allegations of the undersigned attorney asking
      the witness to perjure himself are not only completely defamatory and
      prejudicial, but are void of any sense or reason, as Mr. Sinclair’s
      affidavit regarding Mr. Young’s homicide can be found filed with the
      Chicago PD and in his book. A copy of the Affidavit of Larry Sinclair
      and Coroners Certificate of Death of Donald Young is attached as an
      Exhibit.

      8. Lucas Smith was asked to authenticate Mr. Barack Obama’s birth
      certificate from Kenya, which he previously tried to sell on e-bay and
      which he authenticated under penalty of perjury both on video camera
      and in writing. As such any allegations of suborning perjury are totally
      defamatory and void of any sense or reason, since Mr. Smith made this
      information public long before ever meeting the undersigned counsel.
      Therefore any and all allegations of misconduct by the undersigned are
      totally without merit, prejudicial and defamatory and need to be
      stricken from the order.
    [/list:u:11kqyktx]__________________________________________________

    If you don't object to my using so many electrons (no carbon oxidized in the process),
    I'll reprint Dr. Taitz's entire motion here. She was lengthy, but passionate in her pursuit of justice.
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    some excellent reading here...

    Important! Motion for reconsideration in Barnett v Obama filed.
    Hearing on Motion for reconsideration has been requested for November 20th.
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    Motions 8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN Captain Pamela Barnett, et al v. Barack Hussein Obama, et al
    CASE CLOSED on 10/29/2009
    (ANx), CLOSED, DISCOVERY, MANADR


    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
    Notice of Electronic Filing
    The following transaction was entered by Taitz, Orly on 11/9/2009 at 4:29 PM PST and filed on 11/9/2009
    . . .

    Here come all the plaintiffs (aside from plaintiffs Markham Robinson and Willey Drake represented by Gary Kreep) and motion for reconsideration of October 29th order under Rule 59E and Rule 60.


    1. A newly discovered fact, material to this action, that was the reason for most errors in the order, is the fact that on October 1, 2009 Your Honor hired as your law clerk an attorney Siddharth Velamoor, who previously worked for Perkins Coie, a law firm representing the defendant in the above case, Mr. Obama. As a matter of fact Perkins Coie was one of the firms representing the defendants in a prior legal action filed by the plaintiffs in this very case, Ambassador Alan Keyes et al against Secretary of State Deborah Bowen and Democratic party electors specifically for not vetting Mr. Obama as a presidential candidate, as Ms. Bowen didn’t request any vital records and never checked any vital records of Mr. Obama, as she and all the other secretaries of states took his Declaration of a Candidate on its face value. As it is a common knowledge that law clerks do most of the research and write most of the opinions for the judges, the order to dismiss this case was de facto written or largely influenced by an attorney who until recently worked for a firm representing the defendant in this case, and who currently is working as a clerk for the presiding judge, as such most of the order is tainted by bias. This is a clear prejudice against the plaintiffs. While Mr. Velamoor will surely claim that he didn’t work on Obama case before, his employment with Perkins Coie should’ve disqualified him, and indeed the order reads as if it is written by the defense counsel, highly biased against the plaintiffs, 99 percent of the order either misstates the facts or the pleadings or oral argument, it misstates the law and is full of personal attacks, de facto accusing decorated members of the military of being cowards; and this order is particularly used as a tool in what seems to be a concerted effort by this Court and judge Clay D Land in GA to use the power of federal judiciary to publicly lynch the undersigned counsel, to use innuendo, ex parte defamatory and slanderous statements to assassinate her character, to destroy her as a human being and endanger her law license, only because she is not only the only attorney brave enough to bring most of eligibility legal actions, to bring actions from plaintiffs with real standing, the only one to get any hearings, but she is also the only one to bring forward evidence from licensed investigators showing Mr. Obama committing multiple felonies, for which he should be serving lengthy prison term. The court erred in hiring Mr. Velamoor or in the alternative not recusing himself from hearing this case.

    2. The plaintiffs request the court to strike from the order unsupported and prejudicial verbiage. Please see in the attachment Declaration of the undersigned attorney.

    3. The court has stated in the pleadings that the undersigned attorney has encouraged her supporters to contact the court in an attempt to influence his decision in the October 5 hearing. This is not true. The plaintiffs request this stricken from the final order.

    4. During October 5 hearing your honor has stated that the undersigned attorney encouraged the supporters to attempt to influence the court’s decision. This never happened. When the undersigned attorney requested to respond, the court stated: “[N]o, no, it’s done. You’ve put it out there. Now it’s your responsibilityâ€
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    Essence of the case is whether a self-admitted FACT of dual citizenship by a Presidential candidate during his campaign should be given a RULING OF LAW about whether it comports with nbc definition. Keeping things simple would have been a wonderful thing.

    With a lot of inaccuracies thrown in for good measure, a "Guest columnist" was allowed to submit this and get it published in a fairly decent circulation paper near the California bay area.

    http://www.contracostatimes.com/opinion ... ck_check=1

    Your Turn: Can't understand the complacency on Obama birth
    By Mike Postich
    Guest commentary
    Posted: 11/07/2009 12:01:00 AM PST

    To this day I remain baffled and somewhat dumbstruck by the complacency of the public, the mainstream media, Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court for their willingness to dismiss challenges to President Barack Obama's (aka Barry Soetoro) natural born U.S. citizen status.

    Yes, the election is over, and yes, I acknowledge that nothing likely will ever come of this, but it astounds me that we are in month nine of Obama, yet his eligibility to serve as president remains unresolved.

    The majority of challenges to Obama's natural-born status revolve around the fact he has refused to release his original, long-form, vaulted birth certificate.

    The only document he has made available is a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth. This abbreviated form does not indicate the hospital where Obama was born, nor does it include the name of the attending physician or midwife. There is no official signature of any kind verifying its accuracy.

    The form also has a revision date of November 2001 and is computer generated, which clearly demonstrates that it is not the original document of his birth.

    In addition, there is the oft-overlooked deposition from his paternal African grandmother who stated that she was present at his birth in (what is now) Kenya.

    Obama has spent upward of $1.4 million in attorney fees ensuring that the original document of his birth never sees the light of day. Why do most of us not find this alarming and why haven't we, as a nation, demanded the truth? It doesn't end here. Among other documents Obama is withholding include his:


    Noelani (Hawaii) Elementary school records.


    Punahou (Indonesia) school records (fifth grade through high school, where he was registered as a Muslim and citizen of Indonesia).


    Occidental College records.


    Columbia University records.


    Columbia thesis.


    Harvard Law School records.


    Harvard Law Review articles.


    Scholarly articles from the University of Chicago.


    Passport.


    Medical records.


    Complete files and schedules from his years as an Illinois state senator.


    Illinois State Bar Association records.


    Obama/Dunham marriage license.


    Soetoro/Dunham marriage license.


    His adoption records.


    Any baptism records.

    Perhaps Obama really was born in Hawaii. However, with this lengthy list of documents he refuses to make public, isn't anyone just a little skeptical? Just what information is Obama so desperately concealing? Americans deserve better. Some of that promised transparency please.

    Postich is a Ph.D. research scientist and senior manager at a Bay Area biotech company. He is a resident of Concord.


    Franciskus Assissi was one of the several Indonesian schools; Punahou is in Hawaii.

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    Bravo to Mike Postich, Ph.D., for getting this article published, even in the conservative Contra Costa Times. I can't imagine that they would have published the same under my byline.

    And he gets it basically right, except for leaving out the indisputable disqualification by his Kenyan father, Barrack Obama, who in 1961 conferred to Barack Obama II his own status of a British Protected Subject. How can a British Protected Subject at birth, whose birth is governed by the laws of the British Empire, be a natural born U.S. citizen?

    The grade school through high school record was confused, but that is not of the essence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Postich, Ph.D.
    Noelani (Hawaii) Elementary school records.

    Punahou (Indonesia) school records (fifth grade through high school, where he was registered as a Muslim and citizen of Indonesia).
    Did Barry Obama attend the Noelani Elementary school, perhaps for kindergarten, before he went to Indonesia?

    According to Jerome Corsi, Ph.D., and subject to your proofs to the contrary, Mr. Obama's education history is as follows:

    Barry Soetoro (his name by adoption) attended Fransiskus Assisi Catholic elementary school in Jakarta for the first grade through part of the third grade. He received his first years of instruction in Is|am at the Catholic school.

    Barry Soetoro attended SDN 1 Mentang (Mentang #1) public (government) school in Jakarta for part of the third grade and the fourth grade, which included further Is|amic instruction.

    Barry Obama attended the Punahou School in Honolulu for the fifth through twelfth grades and graduated there. Punahou was probably the most expensive private school in the U.S.. During his school years in Honolulu, he was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis (by all reports a Communist Party USA member) and influenced by the writings of Malcolm X.
    • Not according to Dr. Corsi but to the best of my knowledge,
      officially Barry Soetoro, socially also known as Barack Obama, attended Occidental College in Los Angeles from 1979 to 1981 on a foreign student scholarship. But that identification is "unproven and speculative," which by no means makes it not true... it is just one of those ambiguities that discovery will clear up.
    Barack Obama availed himself of the Occidental College - Columbia Univ. transfer program, attended Columbia from 1981 to 1983, and graduated there.

    After five years of community organizing, first in Harlem, and later in South Side Chicago with an organization related to Saul Alinsky, Barack Obama entered Harvard Law School in 1988 and graduated with a Juris Doctor magna cum laude in 1991. He then returned to Chicago and taught Constitutional law at the Univ. of Chicago before entering Chicago politics.

    Corrections? I'll pass them, along with your references, on to Dr. Corsi.
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    Anyone have a problem with this appeals court opinion?

    ANKENY v GOVERNOR OF THE STATE OF INDIANA - APPEALS COURT OPINION - 11120903

    http://tinyurl.com/ye74alr

    On page 17, we see the comment:

    "Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizensâ€
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    November 12 does not seem a good day for the patriots.

    BERG v OBAMA (Original Case) - JUDGMENT, Ordered and Adjudged that the judgment of the District Court be Affirmed

    http://tinyurl.com/yjq5g27
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    [quote="HighlanderJuan"]On page 17, we see the comment [by Judge Brown]:

    "Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizensâ€
    One man's terrorist is another man's undocumented worker.

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    DENIES EVERYTHING IT CAN TO DROP ELIGIBILITY CASE

    by John Charlton, The Post and Mail
    http://tinyurl.com/yb2tg2f

    (Nov. 12, 2009) — Today, the Federal 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals tossed the case Philip J. Berg vs. Obama et al., specifically addressing several claims Attorney Berg had made, noting on pp. 5-65 that “In light of the public’s interest in the final resolution of this caseâ€
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    It looks as though our illegal POTUS wants to share American justice with others who are equally illegal and undeserving. I wonder if the 9-11ers will receive the equal protection and justice our patriot citizens have NOT enjoyed.



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    A message to all members of Constitutional Emergency

    Patriots,

    The Obama Administration has announced they will bring the 911 killers that planned the event to New York to stand trial... a travesty at best.

    Rather than bring them to trial under a military tribunal as war criminals at Gitmo, the Obama Administration will locate them in New York, on American soil which will give them all the rights and privileges under the US Constitution that Americans enjoy.... another travesty.......

    I urge every single member of PFA to go to this web site http://www.thebravest.com/fdny.htm , read the letter, and sign your name as a supporter to stop the madness and insanity of the Obama Administration decision to bring war criminals to the United States.

    The implications of bringing these 911 War Criminals to US soil is absolutely mind-boggling...it must be stopped.

    Millions of Americans in the streets of New York City is the way to stop this...... when will the NEW YORK DEMONSTRATION FOR SANITY IN GOVERNMENT be held??

    Harry Riley, COL, USA, Ret

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    Nixed CNN pact in 'Obama birther' flap

    By MICHAEL SHAIN & DAVID K. LI

    Last Updated: 11:33 AM, November 13, 2009

    Posted: 4:23 AM, November 13, 2009

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/d ... z0Wl75sCqZ

    Lou Dobbs walked away from more than $9 million when he quit CNN, ending a long-running clash that boiled over during a debate about President Obama's birth certificate, sources said yesterday.

    Dobbs, who will be replaced on the network by veteran Washington political correspondent John King, abruptly announced his resignation on air Wednesday night and offered no clue about what he planned to do next.

    But the beginning of the end really came in July, when CNN President Jonathan Klein told Dobbs' staff in a memo to drop so-called birther stories about conspiratorial doubts that Obama was US-born, sources told The Post.

    "It seems this story is dead because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef," read Klein's memo to employees of "Lou Dobbs Tonight."

    Klein's move incensed Dobbs, who wasn't shy about telling off his boss.

    "They have been talking pretty regularly since then," a source said. "And it's been pretty bad."

    CNN had also long been asking Dobbs, known for his tough stance on immigration, to tone down his harsh rhetoric.

    Last month, Dobbs' William Morris agent, CNN sources said, bluntly told Klein: "You're unhappy, he's unhappy. Let him go."

    Dobbs told Klein in recent weeks he wanted to go "the opinion route," laying the final groundwork for his departure.

    CNN had been unlikely to renew Dobbs' contract in 2011 anyway, sources said.

    CNN is pushing hard to position itself as a middle-of-the-road news source, between left-leaning MSNBC and conservative Fox News Channel.

    "Lou was polluting the CNN brand," said a TV insider.

    The departure came at significant personal cost to Dobbs, who still had 1½ years left in his back-loaded, five-year, $35 million contract. Dobbs' final year would have brought him $9 million.

    A Fox News Channel spokeswoman insisted her network wasn't interested in hiring the veteran.

    CNN yesterday named King to take Dobbs' 7 p.m. slot, with a production starting in January.

    Dobbs, on his syndicated radio show yesterday, thanked callers for their praise. When a caller from New Jersey urged him to run for the US Senate, Dobbs said: "All right, Josh. I'm taking notes."

    Additional reporting by Reuven Fenton and Michael Starr

    david.li@nypost.com

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